# P83 with Instant Jerk and Instant Honesty went badly without my usual A314 mix **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 26, 2013, 11:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-with-instant-jerk-and-instant-honesty-went-badly-without-my-usual-a314-mix/60101 "2013-09-26T11:52:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 11:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-with-instant-jerk-and-instant-honesty-went-badly-without-my-usual-a314-mix/60101/1 "2013-09-26T11:52:48Z")
I had female company over yesterday and since I just received my P83 in the mail, I decided to try some in a mix, but not go completely solo on it without knowing much about it. So I put on 20mcg of P83 and 2 sprays each of IJ and IH. The results were horrific. The normal mix I use has IJ, IH, A314, and Odyssey as its core. Taking out the A314 and Odyssey out of the equation messed everything up big time. I went from feeling like and projecting the aura of the most interesting man in the world, to something more akin to a highschool kid fumbling around with clumsy attempts at losing the v-card. Yes, that’s how bad it was. The Insant Jerk was not properly buffered and rounded out by the [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). Instead, what I got was overt, blatant horniness intermixed with deep conversation topics that I obviously had no interest in, and plainly recognized for the facade that they were. The A314 is what helps round out the core more than IH. It provides the cool distance that allows you to be overly sexual without being thirsty. A314 gives a sense of self-control, without which, Instant Jerk just overpowers everything. The Odyssey worked in tandem with the IH to stimulate conversation, while providing a proper mix of fun, lighthearted conversation topics and deep, rapport-building topics. Without Odyssey, I kept trying to engage on deeper topics without the proper amount of small talk to make it seem natural. What made everything worse is that P83 seemed to make me more capricious. I would jump into one tactic, only to decide while doing it that it was a bad idea, but I was already committed. My game was set back to the level of my early highschool years. I was too horny and undisciplined to do anything about it. Somehow I ended up getting her to bed and I did lay it down like the legend that I am, but things were almost a fail. P83 seems to erode discipline and self-control. This could be useful in some all-out social mixes, but I don’t think it works good with high amounts of -none. ---
**Author:** ![XyzN](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xyzn/32/2416_2.png) [@XyzN](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XyzN)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-with-instant-jerk-and-instant-honesty-went-badly-without-my-usual-a314-mix/60101/2 "2013-09-26T18:06:30Z")
ouch, thanks for the report though, appreciate it. My p83 coming tomorrow and I’ll see what I can do with it myself lol. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-with-instant-jerk-and-instant-honesty-went-badly-without-my-usual-a314-mix/60101/3 "2013-09-26T18:19:12Z")
Wow, sorry to hear the rough night, but sometimes it’s good to hear the negatives as much as the positives. I’ve had great luck with p83, particularly with TAC and AMMO. Little experience with IJ yet, so can’t exactly say why I think it mixed so poorly. I think you’re right though in that taking out the a314 and Odyssey could’ve been your downfall. Give 83 another chance, try adding it to your Usual mix to see how it changes things… ---
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-with-instant-jerk-and-instant-honesty-went-badly-without-my-usual-a314-mix/60101/4 "2013-09-27T00:45:52Z")
How does your usual mix of A314, IJ and Odyssey (=Spaceland right?) work for you? Just curious, as you’re combining some of the hightes rone, none and nol products I know. Isn’t it too over-the-top for most people? Is it still a credible mix? How many drops/sprays do you use? ---
**Author:** ![kelvinleeks](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelvinleeks/32/5198_2.png) [@kelvinleeks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kelvinleeks)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-with-instant-jerk-and-instant-honesty-went-badly-without-my-usual-a314-mix/60101/5 "2013-09-27T01:44:49Z")
hi guys sharing my mix [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) + TAC + IG = i had a great time. the girls warmed up easily to me, (we just met for after work drinks) and i managed to score that very night. try some champagne to loosen things up also hahahahah 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 7:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-with-instant-jerk-and-instant-honesty-went-badly-without-my-usual-a314-mix/60101/6 "2013-09-29T07:28:20Z")
TBH, I find IJ one of those products that thrives best on as little modification as possible. The only products I’d generally use with it are IS (small amount) for a sardonic quality, A1 - for overall none moderation and engagement, A314 (high) - for that “Bastard who means business” and P97 for the dark fascination. Cops too but I’m not a huge fan of them in anything other than the ONS scenario. I have used A314/IH with IJ but here, the IH gets carried by the A314 steering, so less problematic. [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) too but generally if you have someone tune-in to IJ positively, you don’t need to worry that much about disinhibition and the last thing you need around potentially mardy guys with IJ is anything that helps them let-go! 😮😃 ---
**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wyatt)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2013, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-with-instant-jerk-and-instant-honesty-went-badly-without-my-usual-a314-mix/60101/7 "2013-09-29T14:50:04Z")
Yet to muck about with IJ. Spaceland=Odyssey (same formula barring two minor steering molecules), love the stuff. As for [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) careful with that. I treat it like TUTH, IH and guns, that is total respect. TUTH for ghosting/repelling women (or turning them on) and IH for turning your filter off completely at times. P83 will take a vibe, good or bad and amplify it. It’ll also lower inhibitions and you’ll see people and yourself doing some weird stuff that they normally never would and copy others just cause it looks cool and they have the slightest desire to try it. However, I find P83 helps me pull off some vibes better due to just going with what I feel.