# P84 thread: first use report, since so little has been written about it **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 18, 2008, 5:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84-thread-first-use-report-since-so-little-has-been-written-about-it/24059 "2008-12-18T05:16:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 1
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 5:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84-thread-first-use-report-since-so-little-has-been-written-about-it/24059/1 "2008-12-18T05:16:00Z")
There is not a lot written about P84. Tacitus described it as, “[the good side of caffeine without the bad side of caffeine](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84-a-juicier-version-of-p85/636/1).” Examine compared it to A314 and gave an [example of a woman who became more standoffish but still seemed interested after he applied P84](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-test-new-putatives-like-p84-p94-and-p101/23585/5). I just got some P84. I need to experiment with it a lot more, but since there is so little on it, I’ve decided to begin a P84 thread and describe my first use of the pheromone. I applied about 20mcg P84 about an hour after trying 10mcg of P91. Sorry for the contamination, but I couldn’t wait to see what would happen. About a half hour later the woman starts ranting about things she is dissatisfied with. She kept telling me not to take it personal – she just had to vent. It seemed like everything was a criticism of me, though. I am not sure why she wanted to deny/deflect the criticism that way. Maybe it was the P91 or maybe it was the P84. Steve has compared P91 to A314 and given good evidence that it increases status and respect. Earlier in the day – with just the P91 – people were not conversant at all. They seemed to avoid small talk. I very much suspect it was the P84 that energized this woman’s rant. The negativity had nothing to do with [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) – she’s always that way. Before the P84, I had been feeling kind of slow and relaxed all morning – would have slept longer if I could have. I decided to take a nap about an hour and a half after applying the P84. I couldn’t go to sleep and it became difficult just to lie down. The P84 was definitley energizing me. I got on the computer to read the news. My eyes kept wanting to scan ahead. It was difficult to focus. I actually started to crave some coffee to help me focus. The P84 seemed – as Tacitus suggested – to be both similar and different from caffeine. It definitley energized, but I don’t know if I’d say it made me _alert_. Caffeine would have helped me focus on the computer screen; P84 did not. It did keep me awake, though, and I got more done today than I would have without the P84. There was nothing like caffeine jitters. About four hours later, I noticed I was still unusually energized/driven to get things done. I was a bit annoyed/impatient. I originally became interested in P84 as a possibility for counter-acting the sedative properties of P86. I don’t know whether it will give me the mental alertness I am looking for or not. I want to be both capable of witty conversation and sensuality. I don’t know if the impatience and irritation I sometimes felt will be disruptive to the P86 effects. I have not yet adequately tested the social reactions I will get from P84. I need to wear it out in public more and see how it feels when I drive my car – an excellent test of alertness. --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84-thread-first-use-report-since-so-little-has-been-written-about-it/24059)._