# P86 + Being sleep deprived = Seeing Pokemon? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 8, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508 "2009-07-08T03:00:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/1 "2009-07-08T03:00:06Z")
Ok ok. So heres the deal. I was trying P86 for the first time. 3 sprays (12.5 mcg) (face, neck, inner elbows) I had on a few other pheros too. Noticed a little change in attractiveness of other people, but right about 7 in the AM things started to get a little weird. Yes that’s right. I stayed up till 7 am. I didn’t even feel tired. But right before I was about to hit the hay and I was staring at the sheets and saw some red patterns on them. And then realized the sheets had no red patterns. But they looked so real. I closed my eyes and saw more red patterns. I’ve never seen this in my life. It was like I was dreaming while closing my eyes or while staring out. Next thing I know my eyes are wandering off to the wall and I see these cartoon characters just chilling there. They seriously looked like they were all standing there. And they were…pokemon? OK…WTF?! 😮 I close my eyes again and then look at the wall and see more characters. So weird. Then I close my eyes for good and try to sleep. Umm…anyone ever have this? ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/2 "2009-07-08T20:19:00Z")
I laughed a little when I read the post. Not trying to laugh at your situation or anything, but the visual of Pikachu spontaneously appearing on the wall and on the bedsheets was pretty funny. I don’t think these hallucinations were caused by the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/); otherwise Androtics would pull them off the market, much like they pulled IFM when people said it was making men depressed. On a more serious side, you might be having something called “hypnagogic hallucinations” ([Hypnagogia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia)). They happen in two situations: when you’re just about to fall asleep, and when you’ve been awake for a lot longer than normal, like when missing a night of sleep. The latter tend to be somewhat vivid and lasting long enough to be noticed. Since you said you’ve been up until 7:00am, your brain didn’t get the sleep it needed, and started producing these images of pokemon. And if you were out partying that night, alcohol tends to intensify these hallucinations. Luckily, they’re harmless and go away after having enough sleep. Basically, it’s nothing to start panicking about.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/3 "2009-07-08T20:34:46Z")
Interesting conclusion. I think your right about the lack of sleep being the case. Though I haven’t had that before when I’ve stayed up on previous occassions. Someone did offer me a drink around 11pm but I didn’t drink enough to where it effected me so I was sober. It may have been because I was actually do something till 7 instead of just sitting around. I didn’t feel tired when I finally did go to bed, but I did feel exhausted when I finally woke up. Thanks again for the wiki reference ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/4 "2009-07-08T21:23:58Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > Ok ok. So heres the deal. > > I was trying P86 for the first time. 3 sprays (12.5 mcg) (face, neck, inner elbows) > > I had on a few other pheros too. Noticed a little change in attractiveness of other people, but right about 7 in the AM things started to get a little weird. > > Yes that’s right. I stayed up till 7 am. I didn’t even feel tired. But right before I was about to hit the hay and I was staring at the sheets and saw some red patterns on them. And then realized the sheets had no red patterns. But they looked so real. I closed my eyes and saw more red patterns. I’ve never seen this in my life. It was like I was dreaming while closing my eyes or while staring out. > > Next thing I know my eyes are wandering off to the wall and I see these cartoon characters just chilling there. They seriously looked like they were all standing there. And they were…pokemon? OK…WTF?! 😮 > > I close my eyes again and then look at the wall and see more characters. So weird. Then I close my eyes for good and try to sleep. > > Umm…anyone ever have this? I had similar effects with both TAA and P86 at high doses. I think at high doses you are tripping the same mechanisms and receptors that get hit with LSD use, only not so hard or so thoroughly. And the sleeplessness, I got that effect too with both TAA and P86 at high doses. That is another of the side effects attributed to LSD, and really is just more of a clue to what these molecules might be targeting down the line. Diane ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/5 "2009-07-08T21:53:51Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > I had similar effects with both TAA and P86 at high doses. I think at high doses you are tripping the same mechanisms and receptors that get hit with LSD use, only not so hard or so thoroughly. > > And the sleeplessness, I got that effect too with both TAA and P86 at high doses. That is another of the side effects attributed to LSD, and really is just more of a clue to what these molecules might be targeting down the line. > > Diane Glad you gave your input because I’ve stayed up before and never had hallucinations. Even when I was sick my hallucinations never looked so real and I was more exhausted when I got sick with the flu. But seriously, if Spaceland can act like a drug then I wouldn’t doubt some other phero could have the same ability. I mean, I know these are all natural molecules, but come on… do our bodies willingly produce molecules that make people seem more attractive? Maybe, but P86 is just so unreal it had to have had some small impact on the hallucinations. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/6 "2009-07-08T22:07:30Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > Glad you gave your input because I’ve stayed up before and never had hallucinations. Even when I was sick my hallucinations never looked so real and I was more exhausted when I got sick with the flu. > > But seriously, if Spaceland can act like a drug then I wouldn’t doubt some other phero could have the same ability. I mean, I know these are all natural molecules, but come on… do our bodies willingly produce molecules that make people seem more attractive? Maybe, but P86 is just so unreal it had to have had some small impact on the hallucinations. Well, even the lowest doses you can get of the pheromones here are orders of magnitude above what anyone would produce naturally. And a substance that would give you a mild effect when you are exposed at a low dose can give you markedly different kind of effect and response at the mega dose end. If this molecule is activating the serotonergic receptor pathways in the brain in some way, and those pathways are getting over stimulated, either through releasing too much serotonin from the pre-synaptic vesicles, or through changing the conformation of the 5-HT2 G-protein coupled receptors to hold on to serotonin too tightly, you could see some effects like this. I’m not saying this is the mechanism in this case. I’m just hypothesizing here without enough information. This is one of the reasons why I’m always saying to be careful when you are testing Putatives, and view all these molecules with respect. Diane ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/7 "2009-07-08T22:16:57Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Well, even the lowest doses you can get of the pheromones here are orders of magnitude above what anyone would produce naturally. And a substance that would give you a mild effect when you are exposed at a low dose can give you markedly different kind of effect and response at the mega dose end. > > If this molecule is activating the serotonergic receptor pathways in the brain in some way, and those pathways are getting over stimulated, either through releasing too much serotonin from the pre-synaptic vesicles, or through changing the conformation of the receptors to hold on to serotonin too tightly, you could see some effects like this. > > I’m not saying this is the mechanism in this case. I’m just hypothesizing here without enough information. > > This is one of the reasons why I’m always saying to be careful when you are testing Putatives, and view all these molecules with respect. > > Diane I try to test as responsibly as I can, but I tend to get curious sometimes. Lol, so I understood a little of that. Hmm, but I get what your saying about us only making a small amount. It makes sense. I’m still curious as to what higher than 37.5 mcg will do to me. How much mcg of p86 do you usually use to get desired effects Diane? ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/8 "2009-07-08T22:47:09Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > I try to test as responsibly as I can, but I tend to get curious sometimes. > > Lol, so I understood a little of that. Hmm, but I get what your saying about us only making a small amount. It makes sense. > I’m still curious as to what higher than 37.5 mcg will do to me. > > How much mcg of p86 do you usually use to get desired effects Diane? 6.0 - 12.0 mcg is what I was using when I was testing this putative. I liked the 6.0 mcg dose better than the 12.0 mcg dose. The highest dose from my journal that I tested was 53.5 mcg. At that dose it also gave me a splitting headache and extreme light sensitivity. From my journal, my husband responded better to the lower doses and it ghosted me at the higher doses. I’m currently not testing P86 or using it in any of my regular mixes. Right now I’m exploring the “feel good” rather than the “look good” putatives and pheromones. Diane ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/9 "2009-07-09T00:57:33Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > 6.0 - 12.0 mcg is what I was using when I was testing this putative. I liked the 6.0 mcg dose better than the 12.0 mcg dose. > > The highest dose from my journal that I tested was 53.5 mcg. At that dose it also gave me a splitting headache and extreme light sensitivity. > > From my journal, my husband responded better to the lower doses and it ghosted me at the higher doses. > > I’m currently not testing P86 or using it in any of my regular mixes. Right now I’m exploring the “feel good” rather than the “look good” putatives and pheromones. > > Diane When you used the lower doses did you still get the self-effects like seeing things as more attractive/seeing the glowing effect? ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/10 "2009-07-09T01:03:33Z")
I just had to stop by and tell you how much I enjoy reading your journal! Not only is it entertaining, but it is very informative as well. Thanks and reps! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/11 "2009-07-09T01:14:33Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > I just had to stop by and tell you how much I enjoy reading your journal! Not only is it entertaining, but it is very informative as well. Thanks and reps! 🙂 My journal? ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/12 "2009-07-09T01:25:11Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > When you used the lower doses did you still get the self-effects like seeing things as more attractive/seeing the glowing effect? Yes, I got the “glow” and air brush effect actually better at 6 mcg than I did at 50+. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/13 "2009-07-09T01:40:53Z")
> [@happykitsune](#): > > My journal? Sorry, by that I meant your reporting/posting in general. You have a great style that is fun to read. ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/14 "2009-07-09T02:12:55Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > Sorry, by that I meant your reporting/posting in general. You have a great style that is fun to read. Thanks. I’ve been told that before, but it’s nice to hear it again 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/15 "2009-07-09T02:15:28Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Yes, I got the “glow” and air brush effect actually better at 6 mcg than I did at 50+. > > Diane Too me I saw the air brush effects, but I didn’t want to believe it. Its kinda like when I’m drunk and I want people to look better, but I can usually see past the air brushing and remember what they really look like. I’ll probably try P86 alone next time at 50 mcg to see if anything gets more air brushed or less. ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/16 "2009-07-09T03:51:03Z")
wow, interesting report! LOL @ pokemon, I used to have a pikachu (spelling?) plushie bag, it was the size of my upper torso and it’s eyes would light up… to make matters worse they were red lights lol…it scared the sh\*t out of me every time I went to bed…lol they looked cute in TV though 😛 Erk, now having them standing there in front of you is kinda creepy! LOL! you poor thing. I’m probably the weirdest out of the batch. P86 makes me really sleepy. I need to temper this stuff. However, due to my vanity. I still wear it, I apply p86 before I do my makeup. Once I’m done with my makeup, I feel like my face is air-brushed or something, I feel pretty. Other people look pretty attractive too. I remember during my graduation ceremony, there was this one lady who refused to look at me in the eyes and said to my friend that she didn’t mean to offend me but she thought I was “stunning” (and believe me, I’m not all that at all). I was wearing around 2 1/2 spray of p86 so I’m guessing that’s around 62.5mcg? I need to temper this stuff though, so I use p83 or instant shine to keep me hyper and not tired. However, my dreams with p86 usually feel real that’s about it, I’m a heavy sleeper to start with and when I wake up I feel like I’m lost or blank out lightly. ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 4:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/17 "2009-07-09T04:10:03Z")
> [@msselva](#): > > wow, interesting report! > > LOL @ pokemon, I used to have a pikachu (spelling?) plushie bag, it was the size of my upper torso and it’s eyes would light up… to make matters worse they were red lights lol…it scared the sh\*t out of me every time I went to bed…lol they looked cute in TV though 😛 > > Erk, now having them standing there in front of you is kinda creepy! LOL! you poor thing. > > I’m probably the weirdest out of the batch. P86 makes me really sleepy. I need to temper this stuff. > > However, due to my vanity. I still wear it, I apply p86 before I do my makeup. Once I’m done with my makeup, I feel like my face is air-brushed or something, I feel pretty. Other people look pretty attractive too. I remember during my graduation ceremony, there was this one lady who refused to look at me in the eyes and said to my friend that she didn’t mean to offend me but she thought I was “stunning” (and believe me, I’m not all that at all). I was wearing around 2 1/2 spray of p86 so I’m guessing that’s around 62.5mcg? > > I need to temper this stuff though, so I use p83 or instant shine to keep me hyper and not tired. > > However, my dreams with p86 usually feel real that’s about it, I’m a heavy sleeper to start with and when I wake up I feel like I’m lost or blank out lightly. Red eyes? That is scary. Yeah the pokemon were a bit strange, especially since I hadn’t seen too many effects. Got a little of the air brush effect, but I wasn’t really able to compare it to anything since I sprayed it before I could see my guy friends and haven’t seen them both in a while. They did look attractive to me tho. What I thought was strange is that I saw myself as looking slightly different in the mirror. Slightly more attractive ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/18 "2009-07-09T04:52:09Z")
Trippy. Lol when I test p86 I’ll take it super easy. I don’t like hallucinating too much although I got drunk off my ass on p83 the other night and saw a skunk walking around and er then it ran through a wall.Skunky not so real. Although on sleep deprivation as a teen it was spiders on my wall. But they never had shadows and didn’t smush so.. Yeah. Lesson one for me hallucinations do not have shadows. I wonder why pokemon. For those of us who don’t have a resistance like diane seems too to some things its probably a good idea to stay within the 12-50 range. ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 6:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-being-sleep-deprived-seeing-pokemon/30508/19 "2009-07-09T06:24:16Z")
> [@ElectraComplex](#): > > Trippy. Lol when I test p86 I’ll take it super easy. I don’t like hallucinating too much although I got drunk off my ass on p83 the other night and saw a skunk walking around and er then it ran through a wall.Skunky not so real. > > Although on sleep deprivation as a teen it was spiders on my wall. > But they never had shadows and didn’t smush so.. Yeah. > Lesson one for me hallucinations do not have shadows. > > I wonder why pokemon. > > For those of us who don’t have a resistance like diane seems too to some things its probably a good idea to stay within the 12-50 range. You know thinking back I haven’t seen or done anything pokemon related lately and then I realized that night I was looking at a game my TG had and it happened to be the old Pokemon red game. So I guess that’s why I was hallucinating pokemon lol