# p86 is the crush mone. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 26, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509 "2009-02-26T18:34:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/1 "2009-02-26T18:34:03Z")
Ammo is great. Ammo = attraction. I’ve been using Ammo as a base for all my mixes for a long time. I’ve never struggled to get the attraction, that’s what ammo does but I’ve never quite been able to create a mix that can create really strong crushes. You can wear ammo, hang out with a girl who is attracted to you for a couple of hours then disappear. You may see her again two weeks later also wearing ammo and the attraction is there again. A [pheromone](https://a314.com/) that when mixed with ammo will fill those two weeks with a crush is what I’ve been searching for. It’s early days but p86 is looking very promising. I find it shrinks physical boundaries, increases kino, compliments go through the roof, things do look better (but that may be placebo), there’s emergency about it and it reduces any over hornyness the none may cause. Even on it’s own it has an attractive quality. I wear 40mcg and the only downside is I get massively tired an hour or two after application. It knocks me right of my game. I’m hoping that I will be able to develop some kind of resistance to this. ---
**Author:** ![KatieA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katiea/32/1225_2.png) [@KatieA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KatieA)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/2 "2009-02-26T18:38:17Z")
I hope you do create a resistance, I’d be looking forward to that. 😉 Great, great report. I can’t wait to try out my p86 now. 🙂 Having a phero that leads to more than attraction–but a crush, is GREAT. Excited. ---
**Author:** ![tfrankz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfrankz/32/468_2.png) [@tfrankz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfrankz)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/3 "2009-02-26T18:57:53Z")
P86 is great, Me and Lor have been using it more and more. The only downside is what you have said the “crash”. I had 20 mcg on last night and did not have a crash like I do sometimes. I must be building up a tolerance for it. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/4 "2009-02-26T20:10:40Z")
> [@tfrankz](#): > > P86 is great, Me and Lor have been using it more and more. The only downside is what you have said the “crash”. I had 20 mcg on last night and did not have a crash like I do sometimes. I must be building up a tolerance for it. lol then there is hope for me! have you tried it with TAF yet? im thinking thats my next mission,to ward off the sleepies. wildflower- the only problem is that even if you create a resistance, what about those you come in contact with that dont have a resistance? i literally had someone yawn at the bar and say “i dont know why i am tired!” i freaked. i wore 2 sprays @ 12.5 and one of my friends right next to me was wearing the same! im wondering if the TAF would fix it. i know i dont get half as sleepy when i pair it with TAL 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/5 "2009-02-26T20:11:16Z")
> [@tfrankz](#): > > P86 is great, Me and Lor have been using it more and more. The only downside is what you have said the “crash”. I had 20 mcg on last night and did not have a crash like I do sometimes. I must be building up a tolerance for it. i freaking LOVE that avatar. ---
**Author:** ![KatieA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katiea/32/1225_2.png) [@KatieA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KatieA)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/6 "2009-02-26T20:13:17Z")
Oh! Lor, yes! Test it with TAF and tell me how it goes, I will love you forever. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tfrankz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfrankz/32/468_2.png) [@tfrankz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfrankz)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/7 "2009-02-26T20:27:56Z")
Lor I don’t have taf yet. I do have P93 and some time will test that out with P86. A lower mcg of P93 get’s me doing things, It might help with the tired part. In my attraction mix P86 is around 4mcg’s per spray. I use that at the bar so I am on the go and do not get tired. But the next day it’s the booze or the mix that gets me! lol WildFlower [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and P86 I might give that a go soon. Do you wear 40mcg and how many Ammo shots? I think 20mcg and 2 shots of Ammo for me. i freaking LOVE that avatar. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/8 "2009-02-26T20:43:46Z")
For me, TAF does not fix the crash. The only thing I’ve found that works is caffeine. P84 might be worth experimenting with. \*([P84 thread: first use report, since so little has been written about it - #2 by Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84/24059/2)) with P86. In equal amounts it did seem to energize and counterbalance the sedative effects of P86, but it seemed to diminish the positive aspects of P86 as well. Be sure to post if anybody finds anything that helps with the crash. I wonder if P86 causes this tiredness by depressing the Sympathetic Nervous System in favor of the Parasympathetic. That would also help explain the attraction it causes. \* ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/9 "2009-02-26T21:12:32Z")
I’ve had crashes of TAA before but not like these p86 crashes. They come pretty soon after application and they leave you for dead. I wear 40mcg p86, 2 ammo, 2 [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), 10mcg p79. ---
**Author:** ![KatieA](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/katiea/32/1225_2.png) [@KatieA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KatieA)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/10 "2009-02-26T21:36:45Z")
Hmm.. I bet Dianne can help us with the Spartan Phero I see her talk about. 😉 Forgot which phero it was though.. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/11 "2009-02-26T21:44:01Z")
> [@KatieA](#): > > Hmm.. I bet Dianne can help us with the Spartan Phero I see her talk about. 😉 > > Forgot which phero it was though.. Spartan is P123 if I’m not mistaken 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/12 "2009-02-26T21:52:57Z")
Maybe if you start to feel the crash you can apply some shine on to pick up your mood. I notice shine works for waking me up. Unfortunately it also makes me dizzy so I don’t use much of it… I do notice a slight crash after wearing p86 as well. I noticed it also with mx292 which has p86 in it. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/13 "2009-02-26T22:25:30Z")
> [@Xiphoid](#): > > Spartan is P123 if I’m not mistaken 🙂 Caution is required with P123 - at least around the ladies in my life ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/14 "2009-02-27T01:09:33Z")
For me TAA (main ingredient of Instant Shine) has not helped with the P86 crash. Both TAF and TAA go well with P86 – they just don’t energize it sufficiently. Maybe Diane can give us her opinion on P84 as well as P123. ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 5:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/15 "2009-02-27T05:38:48Z")
I haven’t tested P86 solo in a while, but the first few times wearing MX292 resulted in major crashes the next day. To the point where I just stayed in bed all day (sometimes that’s nice). However, I seemed to quickly develop a resistance. Also, I found that drinking water seems to help at least with that next day crash. I can’t comment about the shortly after crash, cause when I go out, I pretty much always stay till near the end, regardless of whether I’m tired. Work hard, play hard as they say. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 9:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/16 "2009-02-27T09:10:54Z")
yes i find p86 does nothing on its own, but is very sexual in a different way to androstenone sexual, when added to AMMO or TUH…not sure if “crushy” is the word i’d use, but it is definately a deeper attraction than what Ammo alone could create. i used Ammo/83/86 at 20mcg/IH last saturday at a party. created great attraction. also think it acts as a great -none buffer. its very very useful and could be a large part of 292’s success. As usual, p83 appears to be hype. cant get much out of it. ---
**Author:** ![revivia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/revivia/32/2124_2.png) [@revivia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/revivia)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 11:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-is-the-crush-mone/26509/17 "2009-02-27T11:14:05Z")
Oh geez P123 watch out 😮…that mix causes girls to get pissy at me for no reason…doesn’t really affect the guys much though. I agree completely with Wrl.