# P86 or P103 - Sort of urgent **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 1, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934 "2009-10-01T15:06:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/1 "2009-10-01T15:06:47Z")
This post is an expansion of the question I posted over in my other [thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911). I’m trying to help relax Emma, a friend my wife and I have decided we want to pursue who is also interested in my wife, maybe me, don’t know yet. Anyway, I don’t know when she will be over next, but I’d like to be ready with a new phero to add to my collection. I’m thinking one of the Putatives…[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) or P103. Research I’ve been reading suggest both are disinhibitors, but I’m not sure with to use. Leaning toward the P103 25mcg strength. Any advice? ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/2 "2009-10-01T15:11:27Z")
P86 is out of stock!!! I’m waiting for this one to come in too. For Emma I would recommend MEO-EST and TAC IS will make things easier too ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/3 "2009-10-01T15:22:27Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > P86 is out of stock!!! I’m waiting for this one to come in too. > > For Emma I would recommend MEO-EST and TAC > IS will make things easier too Excellent advice! I’ve just started working with P103 and at least for me, that one also shows quite a bit of romantic promise. ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/4 "2009-10-01T15:24:24Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > P86 is out of stock!!! I’m waiting for this one to come in too. > > For Emma I would recommend MEO-EST and TAC > IS will make things easier too TAC I looked at but seems too relaxed…we got relaxed, I need to break down the barriers. Mso-Est…Might have to look into that one. ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/5 "2009-10-01T15:28:24Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > TAC I looked at but seems too relaxed…we got relaxed, I need to break down the barriers. > Mso-Est…Might have to look into that one. Haha, stumbled on this over on the Women’s Advice…[link!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dianes-phero-notes/23360) **Meo** - **Est** - _methoxy-estratetraenone_– At 150 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) = instant horniness. Female happy sauce when paired with [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) , [P103](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and beta -nol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) . At high doses it can cause mild, but pleasant muscle contractions. Men find it centering and calming. In women it causes a sensual slowing down of sensation and an intense appreciation for all physical stimulation. _(Paired with P103 and TAF = best sex ever!)_ ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/6 "2009-10-01T15:33:25Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > Haha, stumbled on this over on the Women’s Advice…[link!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dianes-phero-notes/23360) > > **Meo** - **Est** - _methoxy-estratetraenone_– At 150 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) = instant horniness. Female happy sauce when paired with [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) , [P103](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and beta -nol ([Instant Openness – Ice Breaker Pheromone for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)) . At high doses it can cause mild, but pleasant muscle contractions. Men find it centering and calming. In women it causes a sensual slowing down of sensation and an intense appreciation for all physical stimulation. _(Paired with P103 and TAF = best sex ever!)_ There ya go! Actually, I happen to have all of these right now. Sounds like time for an experiment this weekend. MX337+MX114 on Friday and Meo-Est+P103+TAF on Saturday! ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/7 "2009-10-01T15:36:12Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > There ya go! Actually, I happen to have all of these right now. Sounds like time for an experiment this weekend. MX337+MX114 on Friday and Meo-Est+P103+TAF on Saturday! I don’t have the P103 or TAF myself, thinking maybe using Spaceland with this? ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/8 "2009-10-01T17:11:47Z")
Was just about to hit the order button for some Meo-Est when I got an email from Emma…she wants to take things at her own pace…do I order the Meo-est anyway, or wait… ---
**Author:** ![overlord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/overlord/32/2387_2.png) [@overlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/overlord)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/9 "2009-10-01T19:38:13Z")
Well in my opinion p86 is not so much a disinhinitor, more of a motivator or something. I think meo-est is the right choice ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/10 "2009-10-01T22:27:21Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > Was just about to hit the order button for some Meo-Est when I got an email from Emma…she wants to take things at her own pace…do I order the Meo-est anyway, or wait… I’d say pull the trigger on that order. Even if you decide not to wear it around her, you’ll find other uses for it. Meo-Est works great with a lot of different things. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BLADE](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blade/32/2083_2.png) [@BLADE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BLADE)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/11 "2009-10-01T22:45:24Z")
You might be thinking of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) when you are talking about disinhibitors. I found it didn’t so much dis-inhibit as really intensify thought and desire to the point where you almost can’t help but act on it. Someone described it as a crave activator which sums it up pretty well - if you’re thinking you want something your reeeeeaallllllyyyyyyyy want it with P83. The downside is, if she’s feeling uncomfortable or as though something’s expected to happen when she’s over, then she’s going to feel reeeeaaaalllllyyyyyyyy uncomfortable. Probably safer to go with something like Diane’s Female happy sauce… ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/12 "2009-10-02T01:15:59Z")
> [@BLADE](#): > > You might be thinking of P83 when you are talking about disinhibitors. I found it didn’t so much dis-inhibit as really intensify thought and desire to the point where you almost can’t help but act on it. Someone described it as a crave activator which sums it up pretty well - if you’re thinking you want something your reeeeeaallllllyyyyyyyy want it with P83. > > The downside is, if she’s feeling uncomfortable or as though something’s expected to happen when she’s over, then she’s going to feel reeeeaaaalllllyyyyyyyy uncomfortable. > > Probably safer to go with something like Diane’s Female happy sauce… Yep, went with Meo-Est…50mcg, which I guess doesn’t ship same day ☹ Ah well… ---
**Author:** ![tfrankz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfrankz/32/468_2.png) [@tfrankz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfrankz)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 6:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/13 "2009-10-02T06:38:49Z")
Blade sums it up very well with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). If you pair it up right with other products and the right place AAAAHHHH works great. ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/14 "2009-10-02T06:53:05Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > Yep, went with Meo-Est…50mcg, which I guess doesn’t ship same day ☹ Ah well… Orders have to be in early (10:30am PST) to ship out same day. I got my MEO-EST 50mcg 5ml today and I ordered it bright and early yesterday morning. I have specific plans for this along w/ p83… the combo should be pretty amazing =) ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 10:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/15 "2009-10-02T10:49:23Z")
> [@Reclipse](#): > > Orders have to be in early (10:30am PST) to ship out same day. I got my MEO-EST 50mcg 5ml today and I ordered it bright and early yesterday morning. > > I have specific plans for this along w/ p83… the combo should be pretty amazing =) Arg just missed it…order placed at 10:50AM PST. 😠 Shouldn’t have waited lol ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/16 "2009-10-02T19:24:55Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > Arg just missed it…order placed at 10:50AM PST. 😠 > Shouldn’t have waited lol Just got shipping confirmation. Should have it on Monday! ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/17 "2009-10-02T19:49:13Z")
P103 should work well for your purposes. [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) can disinhibit fear as well as desire. (careful) P86 will also be good when it’s back in stock. MEO-EST is greatly influenced by what it is mixed with. ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p86-or-p103-sort-of-urgent/32934/18 "2009-10-02T20:27:09Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > P103 should work well for your purposes. > > P83 can disinhibit fear as well as desire. (careful) > > P86 will also be good when it’s back in stock. > > MEO-EST is greatly influenced by what it is mixed with. That’s fine, I get all that…out of what I have though, what should I use?