# P88 - The Urge to Merge **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 8, 2009, 2:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120 "2009-10-08T14:23:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/21 "2009-10-13T20:42:17Z")
more dramatic than P96.. holy crap.. ---
**Author:** ![Nicklaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@Nicklaus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nicklaus)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/22 "2010-04-07T05:05:26Z")
Bringing this thread back to attention. I’m sure a lot of people would wanna “test” P88 out after reading Warrens post 😃 | Am i right? ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/23 "2010-04-08T20:22:56Z")
> [@Nicklaus](#): > > Bringing this thread back to attention. I’m sure a lot of people would wanna “test” P88 out after reading Warrens post 😃 | Am i right? Yes… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/24 "2010-05-27T20:52:30Z")
Without any questions WE NEED P88 BACK IN STOCK ! Pago ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/25 "2010-05-28T01:12:12Z")
Yes! Yes…me want. ---
**Author:** ![MisterMagik](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mistermagik/32/2360_2.png) [@MisterMagik](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MisterMagik)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/26 "2010-05-28T05:29:36Z")
Man I’m already an addict with this stuff. The psychological field tests are limitless… ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2010, 6:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/27 "2010-05-28T06:02:34Z")
Goal: Find similar effects, and find buffers. Off to the experimone series I go ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/28 "2010-06-09T14:09:44Z")
IF you want P88 back go SIGN THE PETITION HERE We need at least 100 people, women & men do it! ---
**Author:** ![Sharpy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharpy/32/347_2.png) [@Sharpy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Sharpy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2010, 9:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/29 "2010-06-13T09:50:30Z")
This is an amazing report. We need more detailed reports, (like this one..), from people who know how to write them. I feel blessed that I came across this report.. I’m sure I speak for most of us, when I say ‘thank you’ for this information in such awesome, and inspirational detail. Now.. How do I get my hands on this stuff? (..this is the time I wish **pre-ordering** was standard procedure with A.D..) Sharpus Au Raizor ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/30 "2010-08-26T03:32:51Z")
**Reverse Engineering the Effects of P88** Jasmin has ended our wait for P88 with [a post, I’m sure, nobody expected](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rough-synthesis-vs-perfect-p88-vs-p93/40741/1). In brief, P88 is an irreproducible batch of P93 from a now defunct lab. P88’s distinctive qualities are the result of unknown impurities. Hence my quest to determine what those impurities might be. **More than just Androstenone and P93** At first, I thought Androstenone might be a key component. It is the relatively prevalent, grandfather pheromone molecule, a reasonable place for a sloppy chemist to begin his deriving molecules of additional synthetic [putative pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/). It would seem to balance the Caucasian Magic effects of P93, not widely reported from P88. It would account for some the the side-effects of irritability and headaches. I no longer believe, however, that androstenone is critical to the sexy, urge-to-merge effects of P88. I am _not_ convinced it is _not_ part of P88, perhaps an undesirable part. When using P88, I found the optimal dose to be about 20mcg. With a base of P93 and androstenone, I was unable to even begin to create a comparably sexy mix by adding additional guiding pheros, while staying anywhere near the 20mcg range. There’s not enough synergy between P93 and androstenone. I also discovered that pure androstenone with P93 is less effective than P93 with the same amount of androstenone via TUTH. **This Works!** Since Androtics generally releases putatives in groups, it stands to reason that these groups are biochemically similar. The P88 impurities with pheromonal action might be found amongst the putatives released in temporal proximity to P88 and P93. I am looking at P87, P89, P90, P91, P92, P94. If anyone remembers more clearly which putatives were released at about the same time as P88 or P93, please post that information! Thanks. Here is what I’ve found that works: P93 at 15mcg P90 at 10mcg P87 at 7.5mcg Tacitus foreshadowed the use of P87 to generate P88-like effects: > [@tacitus](#): > > I’d been interested in the combination of two “perceptic” -mones, P87 which has a mystical, Psi consciousness direction, and P88, which also has a “subtle energy sensitivity” quality… I have referred to P87 as “[cold empathy](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/testing-p87/26898/30)”. When I only spray on P87, I see a woman’s body with a very strong 3-D vividness and a strong compassionless awareness of her emotional state. In describing P90, PheroQuirk says - > [@P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-barely-registers-even-at-250-mu-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant/985/6): > > there is an aspect of compulsive sharing to it. - …maybe more exchange of personal opinions and experiences without the emotional intensity of betanol. I notice [women are likely to begin talking as though we are already in the middle of a conversation](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant-maybe/985/14). P90 seems to create a very definite, unself-conscious, but emotionally shallow, acceptance of a nearby human being. When P90 is added to P87, the _shallow acceptance_ of P90 and the _cold empathy_ of P87 seem to combine such that the _deep empathy_ of P87 eliminates the _shallowness_ of P90 and the _complete acceptance_ from P90 obliterates the _coldness_ of P87. When I add P90 to the P87, however, the 3-D vividness created by P87 disappears into an insipid flatness. The experiment seems to have failed. When P93 is added to the P87-P90 mix, the 3-D vividness magically reappears, with more depth than P93 can create alone, and a sexy aura that had not been produced by either P87 or P90. It is, in actuality, a spectacular effect! **Additional Mixing** Suppose androstenone were added to the balance created by P87-P90… Would it create an even sexier mix than P93? The answer is no, not in my experience. When adding androstenone to the P87-P90-P93 triad, I experienced a disappointing “distancing” that detracted from the mix. With P86 mixes, I was always surprised at how easy it was to predict the results of adding a pheromone. The new mix was often just the sum of the previous effects plus the effect usually associated with the new pheromone. Not so with P87-P90-P93. It has been very difficult to predict what new additions will do. Some obvious enhancements have failed miserably. P80 _flattens_ the mix. TAF and TAC are not helpful. Nevertheless, P87-P90-P93 is pretty amazing by itself. And there may be no need for TAC since, at this point, it seems to enhance orgasms quite well, _all by itself!_ I’ll need to do more testing before I’m convinced if P87 and P90 are the likely critical impurities in P88. _It’s probably just the P90 that’s forcing me to impatiently share these ideas, right now_. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 4:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/31 "2010-08-26T04:37:40Z")
I also read a post by Jas stating that most of the other putatives were chemical standards. Would it be fair to say that the impurities you theorize are the active molecules in those putatives? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 5:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/32 "2010-08-26T05:22:08Z")
That’s my working assumption. If the active impurities are not to be found amongst the putatives (or experimones) then there’s nothing to be done. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 5:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/33 "2010-08-26T05:28:51Z")
I wish I tested it, I’m gonna buy a bunch of the 80’s soon whatever I can get and test the P90’s along with it but the ones I need are OOS. By the way have you looked at P96? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/34 "2010-08-26T05:39:56Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > I wish I tested it, I’m gonna buy a bunch of the 80’s soon whatever I can get and test the P90’s along with it but the ones I need are OOS. It really sucks that both P87 and [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) are OOS. P81 and P89 are interesting… > [@P51Mustang](#): > > By the way have you looked at P96? I like P96, but I find it unpredictable. I need experiment with it some more. I liked P88 better. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 6:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/35 "2010-08-26T06:04:56Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > It really sucks that both P87 and P93 are OOS. > > P81 and P89 are interesting… > > I like P96, but I find it unpredictable. I need experiment with it some more. I liked P88 better. They’re working on P87 I believe I still have a decent amt of [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) still at 10mcgs. I just started my tests with P96. I gotta see how quickly I go through this 30ml, and if there is stock left at the end of the month I’m going to pick one up for reserve. Any other putatives you recommend looking at? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 6:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/36 "2010-08-26T06:21:21Z")
TAC, maybe. TAA-TAC-[P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) is very interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 4:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/37 "2011-02-21T04:46:24Z")
The past couple of months, I have been distracted by other things and haven’t posted much. I hope to get back to doing some serious pheromone testing in the spring. Last fall I had continued to work on my P88 reverse engineering project. I want to use this post to sum up what I had discovered. **Add P81** In addition to the P93, P90 and P87, which I mentioned in an earlier post (August 25), I believe that P81 is an important addition to the reverse engineered P88 formula. Here’s what I’m working with now: P93 - 15mcg P90 - 15mcg P87 - 7.5mcg P81 - 2.5mcg **Reverse Engineering Rational & Discoveries** As noted [above](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/30): > [@](#): > > Since Androtics generally releases putatives in groups, it stands to reason that these groups are biochemically similar. The P88 impurities with pheromonal action might be found amongst the putatives released in temporal proximity to P88 and P93. I had previously looked at P87 to P94. Tacitus, however, suggested that the P88 group goes back as far as P81. > [@P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-barely-registers-even-at-250-mu-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant/985/4): > > Ya… haven’t run the sexual scenarios on the P89, P90, P91… group yet… seems to be one cluster of the P75-80 (with P74 being its own animal), another P81-P88, and this one yet another thing… The [sexiness of P81](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/1) is definitely a good fit. Here are my updated results from P81 to P94: P81 - Important component P82 - Compatible, parasympathetic ventrality P83 - Compatible, adds typical P83 effects P84 - Unhelpful P85 - Sense of fraternity P86 - Compatible, adds typical P86 effects P87 - Critical component P88 - No longer available P89 - Compatible, grounded, centered, solid P90 - Critical component P91 - Compatible, dominant effect at 10mcg P92 - Disruptive, flattening P93 - Critical component P94 - Unhelpful, dispassionate The critical components are P93, P90 and P87 with P81 being a _very_ valuable addition. A sense of connection from P90 seems to correlate with an opening of the throat chakra, which I believe is blocked by P93. P90’s sense of acceptance counters the predatory aspects of P87 and P81. P93 energizes and warms the otherwise cold or dispassionate effects of other mix components. **Head to Head with P88** Now it’s time to get out my shrinking stash of genuine P88 and compare it against the reverse engineered mix. Will it be as good as actual P88? Maybe close? I use 17.5mcg P88, an amount I previously determined to be optimal. The female form looks soft, curvy and sexy. It has a 3-D quality it otherwise would not. What could be added to P93 to get such an effect? Maybe a little P90 and P87. I’ve promised myself I’ll keep the P88 on for at least fifteen minutes. It is difficult to wait even that long. I quickly realize the reverse engineered mix is so much better. I wipe off the P88 with witch hazel and then apply P93-P90-P87-P81. The 3-D quality is much stronger, the sheer lust more powerful. We’ve got a winner! As wonderful as P88 at one time seemed, the new formula is simply sexier and more powerful. **Buffering Side-effects** The P93-P90-P87-P81 quartet is fine in the bedroom, but side-effects of wearing this for a significant time in the “real world” are disorienting, mind-warping, bizarre and even painful. It is hard to describe. In part, it is akin to heartbreak. You fall in love with every feminine form, but you can’t have them all. I have found the antidote to be P75, TAA and IH, making the complete, essential formula: P93 - 15mcg P90 - 15mcg P87 - 7.5mcg P81 - 2.5mcg P75 - 1.5mcg TAA - 20mcg IH - 3x Since testing the above and logging it in my notes, I have come to suspect that there may be better ways of buffering P93-P90-P87-P81 primarily using other putatives from the P81 through P93 sequence rather than the P75-TAA-IH combination described above. As I get back to working with P81 through P93 mixes in the months ahead, I shall keep you informed. W. ---
**Author:** ![magicj76](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magicj76/32/1858_2.png) [@magicj76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magicj76)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/39 "2011-02-23T14:01:53Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > The past couple of months, I have been distracted by other things and haven’t posted much. I hope to get back to doing some serious pheromone testing in the spring. Last fall I had continued to work on my P88 reverse engineering project. I want to use this post to sum up what I had discovered. > > **Add P81** > > In addition to the P93, P90 and P87, which I mentioned in an earlier post (August 25), I believe that P81 is an important addition to the reverse engineered P88 formula. Here’s what I’m working with now: > > P93 - 15mcg > P90 - 15mcg > P87 - 7.5mcg > P81 - 2.5mcg > > **Reverse Engineering Rational & Discoveries** > > As noted [above](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/30): > > I had previously looked at P87 to P94. Tacitus, however, suggested that the P88 group goes back as far as P81. > > The [sexiness of P81](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/1) is definitely a good fit. > > Here are my updated results from P81 to P94: > > P81 - Important component > P82 - Compatible, parasympathetic ventrality > P83 - Compatible, adds typical P83 effects > P84 - Unhelpful > P85 - Sense of fraternity > P86 - Compatible, adds typical P86 effects > P87 - Critical component > P88 - No longer available > P89 - Compatible, grounded, centered, solid > P90 - Critical component > P91 - Compatible, dominant effect at 10mcg > P92 - Disruptive, flattening > P93 - Critical component > P94 - Unhelpful, dispassionate > > The critical components are P93, P90 and P87 with P81 being a _very_ valuable addition. > > A sense of connection from P90 seems to correlate with an opening of the throat chakra, which I believe is blocked by P93. P90’s sense of acceptance counters the predatory aspects of P87 and P81. P93 energizes and warms the otherwise cold or dispassionate effects of other mix components. > > **Head to Head with P88** > > Now it’s time to get out my shrinking stash of genuine P88 and compare it against the reverse engineered mix. Will it be as good as actual P88? Maybe close? > > I use 17.5mcg P88, an amount I previously determined to be optimal. The female form looks soft, curvy and sexy. It has a 3-D quality it otherwise would not. What could be added to P93 to get such an effect? Maybe a little P90 and P87. I’ve promised myself I’ll keep the P88 on for at least fifteen minutes. It is difficult to wait even that long. I quickly realize the reverse engineered mix is so much better. > > I wipe off the P88 with witch hazel and then apply P93-P90-P87-P81. The 3-D quality is much stronger, the sheer lust more powerful. We’ve got a winner! As wonderful as P88 at one time seemed, the new formula is simply sexier and more powerful. > > **Buffering Side-effects** > > The P93-P90-P87-P81 quartet is fine in the bedroom, but side-effects of wearing this for a significant time in the “real world” are disorienting, mind-warping, bizarre and even painful. It is hard to describe. In part, it is akin to heartbreak. You fall in love with every feminine form, but you can’t have them all. > > I have found the antidote to be P75, TAA and IH, making the complete, essential formula: > > P93 - 15mcg > P90 - 15mcg > P87 - 7.5mcg > P81 - 2.5mcg > > P75 - 1.5mcg > TAA - 20mcg > IH - 3x > > Since testing the above and logging it in my notes, I have come to suspect that there may be better ways of buffering P93-P90-P87-P81 primarily using other putatives from the P81 through P93 sequence rather than the P75-TAA-IH combination described above. As I get back to working with P81 through P93 mixes in the months ahead, I shall keep you informed. > > W. Wow, man ! No wonder why you didn’t post, cos you must have been so busy ! I haven’t read all the post cos it seems to be very scientific and I’m not sure I’ll get it all, but I’ll try anyway. Errr… do you work for AD ? Or are you a passionate scientist ? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/40 "2011-02-25T19:40:19Z")
No, I do not work for AD. I just think there are a lot of advantages to finding the right [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120/41 "2011-10-20T20:40:29Z")
What an incredible thread. So much information and dedication here. Too bad P87 and [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) are out of stock ☹ sounds like the most important mix I’ve heard of yet, besides a314. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p88-the-urge-to-merge/33120.md?page=3)