# P90 may need 100 mu or more: unusually chatty women at the gym **URL:** \ **Category:** Putative / Cutting Edge Molecules\ **Created:** [November 29, 2006, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607 "2006-11-29T19:56:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/1 "2006-11-29T19:56:27Z")
**You may view or reply to the original post here:** [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant-maybe/985](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant-maybe/985) I’ve been trying to get any energy whatsoever out of P90, even high doses, like 250 mu barely register… people around appear mildly socially up, sort of more cooperative, and I’m a touch clearer, firmer than ususal, however nothing in the definitive [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) category.😕 😕 😕 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 2:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/2 "2006-11-30T02:29:56Z")
Did I underestimate P90 ?.. maybe so… although it may require a stronger application, 100 mu + to kick in… at the gym I observed women were unusually animated, very chatty, almost noisy… same thing occured on the subway… even a reserved brit couple seated next to me became voluble… and I was afforded an unexpected degree of respect throughout the day… although not of the Clint Eastwood P80 variety, nor of the somewhat more erotic P83 variety\*… the upper range putatives so far, P90, P91, [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) appear to have a generally civilized, well sociallized quality…\* P90 quietly exudes what I might term **“empathetic leadership”** versus “authoritarian leadership”… in the direction of the wise, respected grandfather figure… I did notice that in important discussion during the working day, **I could manage the very tricky balancing act of being direct and forceful while maintaining rapport..**. I have never been good at that likable intensity trick… P90 seems to give one a boost there… ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 5:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/3 "2006-11-30T05:09:14Z")
I imagine it would be fascinating to watch you go about testing these. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/4 "2006-11-30T13:59:23Z")
Ya… haven’t run the sexual scenarios on the P89, P90, P91… group yet… seems to be one cluster of the P75-80 (with [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) being its own animal), another P81-P88, and this one yet another thing… I S’pose Jasmin and Harris will be concocting a major upgrade standard packaged phero products once the P series is sorted out… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 7:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/5 "2006-12-01T07:56:40Z")
> [@P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-barely-registers-even-at-250-mu-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant/985/2): > > although it may require a stronger application, 100 mu + to kick in… at the gym I observed women were unusually animated, very chatty, almost noisy… same thing occured on the subway… even a reserved brit couple seated next to me became voluble… and I was afforded an unexpected degree of respect throughout the day… although not of the Clint Eastwood P80 variety, nor of the somewhat more erotic P83 variety\*… the upper range putatives so far, P90, P91, P93 appear to have a generally civilized, well sociallized quality…\* P90 quietly exudes what I might term **“empathetic leadership”** versus “authoritarian leadership”… in the direction of the wise, respected grandfather figure… I did notice that in important discussion during the working day, **I could manage the very tricky balancing act of being direct and forceful while maintaining rapport..**. I have never been good at that likable intensity trick… P90 seems to give one a boost there… Interesting I have been waiting for something like this. Ive been playing around with P80 and you are right - serious authority. It seems to me that everything that is ‘Alpha’/ dominant whether it be A314, -None, P76, P80, etc is kind of dark, and makes people kind of distant. It seems that, in every day life, people don’t like it so much when they are the ones in the less dominant position. I hope P90 can be different from the above mentioned lot but I have my doubts whether it will exude enough authority based on my experiences with anything which is good for rapport and empathy. Keep us updated! Visionary ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/6 "2007-06-17T15:29:33Z")
> [@P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-barely-registers-even-at-250-mu-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant/985/2): > > although it may require a stronger application, 100 mu + to kick in… at the gym I observed women were unusually animated, very chatty, almost noisy… same thing occured on the subway… even a reserved brit couple seated next to me became voluble… and I was afforded an unexpected degree of respect throughout the day… although not of the Clint Eastwood P80 variety, nor of the somewhat more erotic P83 variety\*… the upper range putatives so far, P90, P91, P93 appear to have a generally civilized, well sociallized quality…\* P90 quietly exudes what I might term **“empathetic leadership”** versus “authoritarian leadership”… in the direction of the wise, respected grandfather figure… I did notice that in important discussion during the working day, **I could manage the very tricky balancing act of being direct and forceful while maintaining rapport..**. I have never been good at that likable intensity trick… P90 seems to give one a boost there… > [@examine](#): > > If P74 were Instant Openness > > P90 would be Instant Honesty > > its social, but a little more serious, not as much as Instant Honesty, but for some reason, there is a sense of comfortable social understanding communication. It’s not wacky, but its as if you and a buddy are sitting down talking politics freely, non chalant over a glass of whiskey. I certainly agree with the comparison to betanol - at 25 mcg there is an aspect of compulsive sharing to it. But yes - maybe more exchange of personal opinions and experiences without the emotional intensity of betanol. Sex was intense - this wasn’t the only thing I was wearing, but I wonder if there was some positive impact from the comfort created by P90. I don’t have enough experience yet with P90 to have seen the empathetic leadership quality described by tacitus, but it certainly fits with the vibe I have felt so far. Tomorrow I am working on a scene featuring two male buddies talking about life so I’ll try stepping a bit more strongly on the P90 and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/7 "2007-06-17T15:33:50Z")
> [@P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-barely-registers-even-at-250-mu-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant/985/5): > > Interesting I have been waiting for something like this. Ive been playing around with P80 and you are right - serious authority. It seems to me that everything that is ‘Alpha’/ dominant whether it be A314, -None, P76, P80, etc is kind of dark, and makes people kind of distant. It seems that, in every day life, people don’t like it so much when they are the ones in the less dominant position. I hope P90 can be different from the above mentioned lot but I have my doubts whether it will exude enough authority based on my experiences with anything which is good for rapport and empathy. Keep us updated! > > Visionary Hey Visionary - mind telling more about your adventures with P76? It seems like 75-78 are still a bit unexplored so far. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/8 "2007-06-17T15:45:07Z")
> [@P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-barely-registers-even-at-250-mu-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant/985/1): > > I’ve been trying to get any energy whatsoever out of P90, even high doses, like 250 mu barely register… people around appear mildly socially up, sort of more cooperative, and I’m a touch clearer, firmer than ususal, however nothing in the definitive pheromone category.😕 😕 😕 I would love to try a group diffusion experiment with P90. Betanol at a party does just what you expect it to, but given your experiences I wonder if P90 may not manifest in such an obvious manner. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2007, 8:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/9 "2007-06-18T08:52:07Z")
> [@P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-barely-registers-even-at-250-mu-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant/985/7): > > Hey Visionary - mind telling more about your adventures with P76? It seems like 75-78 are still a bit unexplored so far. I haven’t tried P76 yet but from SwingerMD’s posts it sounds -None like and tense. I get the feeling both P75 and P76 may be great for sex (given they are [pheromones](https://a314.com/) found in the genital region) though I only have P75 at the moment. From a PM to me from an undisclosed forum member: 60mcg P75 + 10mcg p76 + 40mcg p79 = “wow that was really nice, very animalistic.” [P74](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74/197/43) SwingerMD (23 April 2006): “…I did try once with a dose of 30mcg. No noticable rxn. Perhaps that is still too much. It seems to me that [p76](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is definately -none like. With -none (from what I have observed) there is a range of dosage that is in between ideal and reactionary [OD](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics). When you are in this between range, noticing any rxns is very hard since the concentration is not quite enough to send everyone within a 10 ft radius to “run off into the hills”. If you are very observant you can pick up that everyone around you is tense/ a bit tightly wound up. I’m thinking of going back later and start with one spray of 5 [mcgs](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram).” [P74](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74/197/46) SwingerMD (24 April 2006): "…For me [Androstadienone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/), gives me such a nasty headache that I usually not in a very receptive mood when I wear it. [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) doesn’t effect me negatively at all (the other guys don’t seem to like it much). As for specific character to each: [p74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) “Inner connection” [p75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) “Centered” [p76](https://pheromonelabs.com/) “Tense/ on edge” [p77](https://pheromonelabs.com/) “?!” [p78](https://pheromonelabs.com/) “Spacey”" [p78](https://pheromonelabs.com/) “Spacey” ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 2:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/10 "2007-08-26T14:15:22Z")
Has anyone experimented further with these (P90, etc) putatives? Sounds like worth exploring… ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/11 "2007-08-26T21:09:06Z")
> [@P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-barely-registers-even-at-250-mu-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant/985/2): > > although it may require a stronger application, 100 mu + to kick in… at the gym I observed women were unusually animated, very chatty, almost noisy… same thing occured on the subway… even a reserved brit couple seated next to me became voluble… and I was afforded an unexpected degree of respect throughout the day… although not of the Clint Eastwood P80 variety, nor of the somewhat more erotic P83 variety\*… the upper range putatives so far, P90, P91, P93 appear to have a generally civilized, well sociallized quality…\* P90 quietly exudes what I might term **“empathetic leadership”** versus “authoritarian leadership”… in the direction of the wise, respected grandfather figure… I did notice that in important discussion during the working day, **I could manage the very tricky balancing act of being direct and forceful while maintaining rapport..**. I have never been good at that likable intensity trick… P90 seems to give one a boost there… Yes I have it and will give P90 a whirl soon. I wonder if anyone has found a respect/‘empathetic leadership’ effect to it like Tacitus has described? 100 mcg+ of P90 may be required for this effect to kick in. On the other hand tacitus probably comes across naturally as a bit (or a lot) of a leader so it may just work for him in this way? ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2007, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/12 "2007-11-01T11:26:25Z")
> [@P90 barely registers even at 250 mu: subtle, a touch social dominant?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-barely-registers-even-at-250-mu-subtle-a-touch-social-dominant/985/6): > > I certainly agree with the comparison to betanol - at 25 mcg there is an aspect of compulsive sharing to it. But yes - maybe more exchange of personal opinions and experiences without the emotional intensity of betanol. Sex was intense - this wasn’t the only thing I was wearing, but I wonder if there was some positive impact from the comfort created by P90. > > I don’t have enough experience yet with P90 to have seen the empathetic leadership quality described by tacitus, but it certainly fits with the vibe I have felt so far. > > Tomorrow I am working on a scene featuring two male buddies talking about life so I’ll try stepping a bit more strongly on the P90 and see what happens. So far I am very much agreeing with PQ’s assessment of P90 (at 37.5 mcg). I was wearing it with other mones during a couple of intimate encounters/sex so am not sure how much it added to that, but definitely didn’t make things worse that’s for sure! I am not sure if I get an ‘empathetic leadership’ aspect to it either - perhaps 100 mcg+ is needed to access this effect (like what tacitus was using to get this effect)? I would like to try this (and compare it to the A314 family of mixes) but don’t have enough of the molecule left unfortunately… P90 seems to be a good solid mone IMHO - I like the way that while there is definitely a sharing aspect to it, there is a bit more control of what you say than with Beta-Nol. Plus anything that adds something to sex is a definite bonus.:o It is interesting that some of the other mones that are good for sex (like Androstenone, P83, P79, P75) have some kind of aggressive aspect to them in every day life that may make sex more ‘animalistic’ while other ones that are less ‘fiery’ molecules (like Androsterone, Androstenol, P93, P74 and P90) may make sex better simply because they enhance bonding/communication and relax the participants. Still you get other pheromones (like Androstadienone, Estratetraenol, WAGG, TAK) that, while making the participants feel very comfortable (in A1’s case only a female participant), may tone things down too much in the bedroom to the point where animalistic passion is gone (unless #\*(% a teddy bear is your thing 😛 ) … Anyway the above is just a theory I’m developing it isn’t set in stone… Also P93 could have a slight aggressive property to it as well in real life and may make things more animalistic between the sheets as well (as well as enhancing bonding)… So anyone other new putatives results/insights out there… -Visionary ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 3:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/13 "2008-04-03T03:26:29Z")
I freakin love P90. its like sitting down at a lounge with a friend over a glass of whiskey. [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is more like IOpenness P90 is more like IH ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 8:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p90-may-need-100-mu-or-more-unusually-chatty-women-at-the-gym/23607/14 "2008-11-16T08:46:04Z")
I started experimenting with P90 this week. Midafternoon, I sprayed 25mcg before going out to run some errands, take the kid to the orthodontist, stop at the grocery. Women were surprisingly confortable starting conversations with me. In fact, they just seemed to start talking at me without making eye contact or otherwise having my attention. It was a little disconcerting. They were otherwise good humored, helpful and cooperative. I noticed, while driving, the P90 seemed to improve my alertness. P74 is the only other pheromone that does this. The P74 seems to be a little stronger in this regard than the P90. The P90 is definitley the stronger stimulant of talkativeness. IH and IO will do that too, but with these other [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) people seem to get my attention first and talk _ **to** _ me. I am not ready to disagree with the characterization of P90 as “empathic leadership”. That may well be accurate, but this propensity for women to begin a conversation, by blurting things out _ **at** _ the back of my head, doesn’t feel very empathic. The credit crunch has strained my finances and I have been feeling none too cheerful recently. The P90 definitley seemed to put me in a good mood – not euphoric, but good. The effects seemed to last at least two hours. That evening, after I’d had a couple of beers, I learned my son needed help with his math homework. (_Now_, you tell me.) I remembered the P90 made me more alert for driving earlier in the day, so I added another 10mcg P90. It definitley helped put me in the mood for the task. The math homework went well, which isn’t a given for this son. I’m not sure whether to call this “Clear-minded, _empathic leadership_” or “yap at the back of my head” pheromone.