# P93 weaken none and rone greatly, why...? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 8, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607 "2010-04-08T19:26:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/1 "2010-04-08T19:26:29Z")
I have test P93 with following mix: 10 mcg - none 10 mcg - rone 10 mcg - anol 1 Spray: [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 4x 40 mcg - P86 20 mcg - P83 20 mcg - P79 20 mcg - P93 Masculine/Alpha Women give me hardly any respect. Only shy Women seem react positive on it. I can’t say that P93 have no attractive effect but I don’t have see the VIP, smiley and ownership effect, it is more a comfort effect… P93 destroys the sexual and masculine effect of none and rone or I need much more of them with P93. I am really disappointed from it. Is that the so-called gay effect? Where is the Caucasian effect? I live in Germany but none and rone seems to have a much stronger effect on the women… Is a mix with anol, 4x shine, p79, p86 + P93 to much comfort? P86 have also a light weaken effect on none, but alone it is ok… P79 seems to clash with P83 with my mix, no joke, people do things without rhyme or reason, it’s all right as long they do something. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/2 "2010-04-08T20:02:54Z")
Yep it does. With Heavy none [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) will make the wearer seem feminine. I touched on this with the ICM mixes and its exactly why I only used 2.9 mcg per spray in that. Any higher and you come across as gay to the ladies. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/3 "2010-04-08T20:14:49Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Yep it does. With Heavy none P93 will make the wearer seem feminine. I touched on this with the ICM mixes and its exactly why I only used 2.9 mcg per spray in that. Any higher and you come across as gay to the ladies. Thanks Steve, your are the man. 🙂 I have a 20 mcg [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) bottle, how much drops of P93 (20mcg) is 2,9 mcg? You say one Spray, but what is with more than one spray of your mix? And why make p93 only high none feminine? Is P93 with low none Super Gay? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/4 "2010-04-08T20:25:05Z")
> [@JohnnyHard](#): > > Thanks Steve, your are the man. 🙂 > > I have a 20 mcg P93 bottle, how much drops of P93 (20mcg) is 2,9 mcg? > > You say one Spray, but what is with more than one spray of your mix? > > And why make p93 only high none feminine? Is P93 with low none Super Gay? You would need to get 0.14th of a spray to equal 2.9 mcg. In other words you have two high of a molecule level 😉. This is EXACTLY the reason why whenever you are buying putatives and experimones you always start out with low dosage. I never go above 12.5 to go the first time I am testing out one. There are certainly ways to titrated it though with perfumers alcohol. I’m not allowed to tell you how, but I’m sure the members can help you out. Hope is not lost though… ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 8:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/5 "2010-04-08T20:33:28Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > You would need to get 0.14th of a spray to equal 2.9 mcg. In other words you have two high of a molecule level 😉. > > This is EXACTLY the reason why whenever you are buying putatives and experimones you always start out with low dosage. I never go above 12.5 to go the first time I am testing out one. There are certainly ways to titrated it though with perfumers alcohol. I’m not allowed to tell you how, but I’m sure the members can help you out. Hope is not lost though… Thanks but that two high molecule level problem have many people here, I read [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) is great at 20 mcg or higher and buy it and no I have a problem… That’s too bad… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![awesome\_nerd](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/awesome_nerd/32/893_2.png) [@awesome\_nerd](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/awesome_nerd)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/6 "2010-04-08T20:36:37Z")
will one way that you can get low dosage would be: Grab a to-go bottle, and spray 1 full spray of p93 (20mcg), then add 7 spray of any cologne that you have. then you get about 2.9mcg of it in every spray of your cologne 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/7 "2010-04-08T20:57:52Z")
> [@awesome\_nerd](#): > > will one way that you can get low dosage would be: > > Grab a to-go bottle, and spray 1 full spray of p93 (20mcg), then add 7 spray of any cologne that you have. then you get about 2.9mcg of it in every spray of your cologne 😃 Dude! I am so dumb… 😛😃 ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 1:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/8 "2010-04-09T01:54:21Z")
I’ve not really tested the p93 with high levels of -none based products. I definitely don’t get that ‘gay’ vibe from the p93 at all. In fact, I’ve noticed HUGE ioi’s when wearing heavy levels of p93. Maybe the -none changes the dynamic, so I guess I’ll have to try. Maybe a high dose of p93 with a shot or 2 of IJ. I’ll test it at some point and see what happens. One idea that just popped into my head would be to use TAC as a buffer for the -none. It tends to have a great effect with reducing the -none ‘rage’ some people experience, as well as taking the overly sexual edge off. This could be the key to using higher -none levels with p93. I think all 3 of these are used in the ICM mixes in small amounts, so maybe this is why. If I go out tonight I’ll do a test with just the p93 and IJ. My experiences with p93 have been HIGHLY attractive. I’ve definitely seen huge shifts in personality dynamics from certain people when wearing p93 related products (mx353/mx301/p93 on it’s own and with other products I own). I would not have expected these people to harbor interest in me, but after a few certain encounters and exposures, it seems to have opened some serious doors for me with a few womenfolk. Just goes to show that these products vary in effect by user and how they’re used. Some people just come across w/ that ‘gay’ vibe more when wearing higher concentrations of p93 I guess. Glad I’m not one of them haha. Keep testing and let us know if you see more of the same or if you start to notice changes. It could be helpful to watch your own behavior also. Are you being congruent with a strong alpha demeanor, or are you not showing confidence in yourself when wearing this mix? I think ‘working’ the p93 has huge advantages. I always try to keep myself in an alpha mindset (not the dbag kind). I am normally calm and secure and confident in myself, and I try to project that as much as possible. I think this definitely has a direct impact on how people perceive my mone signature. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/9 "2010-04-09T02:12:20Z")
Thanks Reclipse, but I am a none junky and I like the effects so much but with 20mcg [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) the none is not existent. Yes, I see potential but with that dose it’s more a cute effect, without the sexual. Yes, I am congruent, but the response is not very respectful, more overly didactic… Yes, I know that MX302 or MX301 have great reviews but I don’t know why so many none buffers like TAC, P74, anol and P93 give that great effects…? Good, the low dose of 2,9 mcg P93 per spray with high none and TAC is maybe the key. I must test it, but I need TAC… ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/10 "2010-04-09T02:29:36Z")
> [@awesome\_nerd](#): > > will one way that you can get low dosage would be: > > Grab a to-go bottle, and spray 1 full spray of p93 (20mcg), then add 7 spray of any cologne that you have. then you get about 2.9mcg of it in every spray of your cologne 😃 And 6 sprays and 1 spray [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) in a 30 ml bottle, right? 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/11 "2010-04-09T02:41:16Z")
> [@Reclipse](#): > > I’ve not really tested the p93 with high levels of -none based products. > > I definitely don’t get that ‘gay’ vibe from the p93 at all. In fact, I’ve noticed HUGE ioi’s when wearing heavy levels of p93. Maybe the -none changes the dynamic, so I guess I’ll have to try. Maybe a high dose of p93 with a shot or 2 of IJ. I’ll test it at some point and see what happens. > > One idea that just popped into my head would be to use TAC as a buffer for the -none. It tends to have a great effect with reducing the -none ‘rage’ some people experience, as well as taking the overly sexual edge off. This could be the key to using higher -none levels with p93. I think all 3 of these are used in the ICM mixes in small amounts, so maybe this is why. > > If I go out tonight I’ll do a test with just the p93 and IJ. > > My experiences with p93 have been HIGHLY attractive. I’ve definitely seen huge shifts in personality dynamics from certain people when wearing p93 related products (mx353/mx301/p93 on it’s own and with other products I own). I would not have expected these people to harbor interest in me, but after a few certain encounters and exposures, it seems to have opened some serious doors for me with a few womenfolk. > > Just goes to show that these products vary in effect by user and how they’re used. Some people just come across w/ that ‘gay’ vibe more when wearing higher concentrations of p93 I guess. Glad I’m not one of them haha. > > Keep testing and let us know if you see more of the same or if you start to notice changes. It could be helpful to watch your own behavior also. Are you being congruent with a strong alpha demeanor, or are you not showing confidence in yourself when wearing this mix? I think ‘working’ the p93 has huge advantages. I always try to keep myself in an alpha mindset (not the dbag kind). I am normally calm and secure and confident in myself, and I try to project that as much as possible. I think this definitely has a direct impact on how people perceive my mone signature. I’ve worn Instant Jerk with P93 and [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) and have been the life of the party. I had hair flips galore along with a lot of physical contact. I agree, I don’t get any gay vibe from P93 at high amounts. Goes to show how everyone’s chemistry is different. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 4:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/12 "2010-04-09T04:14:01Z")
> [@JohnnyHard](#): > > P93 destroys the sexual and masculine effect of none and rone or I need much more of them with P93. I am really disappointed from it. Is that the so-called gay effect? Where is the Caucasian effect? Johnny, this may or may not help: > [@P93 -- Caucasian Attractant or The First Known Racist Pheromone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-caucasian-attractant-or-the-first-known-racist-pheromone/12830/17): > > Pleiadeans [Protestant (Work) Ethic Wikipedia provides a decent overview of [Protestant Ethic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_ethic): Wikipedia then goes on to describe criticisms of Protestant Ethic, such as non-Protestant and non-Christian cultures which have become materialistic and prosperous. I think this misses the point. I want to discuss a specific attitude toward one’s place in life which starts with [the Calvinist concept of predestination](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_(Calvinism)): So if you are one of the few who are to be successful, it is because God o… ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/13 "2010-04-09T18:55:03Z")
> [@JohnnyHard](#): > > Thanks but that two high molecule level problem have many people here, I read P93 is great at 20 mcg or higher and buy it and no I have a problem… That’s too bad… ☹ LOL that’s one way of teaching you what all the “real” enthusiasts preach. Go at each molecule with a clean slate. Everyone’s experiences are their own. To many of us are too busy looking out for what someone else said was a hit, that we actually miss the bigger, better hits in our own lives. Just because I can and do use 7 sprays of TUTH, would you? Anyway all is not lost, as I said, unless you’re going to just lay down and play dead 😉. Consider it this way; where as others would kill to have some [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/), you now have up to quadruple the amount, or more depending on how you titrated it down. Diversify your assets 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/14 "2010-04-09T19:07:04Z")
> [@Reclipse](#): > > I’ve not really tested the p93 with high levels of -none based products. > > I definitely don’t get that ‘gay’ vibe from the p93 at all. In fact, I’ve noticed HUGE ioi’s when wearing heavy levels of p93. Maybe the -none changes the dynamic, so I guess I’ll have to try. Maybe a high dose of p93 with a shot or 2 of IJ. I’ll test it at some point and see what happens. > > One idea that just popped into my head would be to use TAC as a buffer for the -none. It tends to have a great effect with reducing the -none ‘rage’ some people experience, as well as taking the overly sexual edge off. This could be the key to using higher -none levels with p93. I think all 3 of these are used in the ICM mixes in small amounts, so maybe this is why. > > If I go out tonight I’ll do a test with just the p93 and IJ. > > My experiences with p93 have been HIGHLY attractive. I’ve definitely seen huge shifts in personality dynamics from certain people when wearing p93 related products (mx353/mx301/p93 on it’s own and with other products I own). I would not have expected these people to harbor interest in me, but after a few certain encounters and exposures, it seems to have opened some serious doors for me with a few womenfolk. > > Just goes to show that these products vary in effect by user and how they’re used. Some people just come across w/ that ‘gay’ vibe more when wearing higher concentrations of p93 I guess. Glad I’m not one of them haha. > > Keep testing and let us know if you see more of the same or if you start to notice changes. It could be helpful to watch your own behavior also. Are you being congruent with a strong alpha demeanor, or are you not showing confidence in yourself when wearing this mix? I think ‘working’ the p93 has huge advantages. I always try to keep myself in an alpha mindset (not the dbag kind). I am normally calm and secure and confident in myself, and I try to project that as much as possible. I think this definitely has a direct impact on how people perceive my mone signature. Yup, I sound like a broken record when I say that everyone’s makeup IS different! Over and over I repeat it and yet so many users on here continue to “recommend” high dosages of this or that without telling the user to go at it with a clean slate. It’s unfortunate becuase the user who takes that recommendation as gospel and then doesn’t get those results, all of a sudden have it in their mind that mones don’t work. I’m pretty sure we lose many members this way.:o I’ve actually tried -none with the TAC buffer with the ICM mixes. I tell yah Reclipse it’s a freaky little molecule that [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/). I must of mixed up those three (-none, P93, TAC) in every combination and without fail the P93 was out of the closet. It drove me nuts 🙂. I’d love to read it when you do some experimenting. Keep in mind that we are vastly different and my experiences are my own.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/15 "2010-04-09T19:15:48Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Yup, I sound like a broken record when I say that everyone’s makeup IS different! Over and over I repeat it and yet so many users on here continue to “recommend” high dosages of this or that without telling the user to go at it with a clean slate. It’s unfortunate becuase the user who takes that recommendation as gospel and then doesn’t get those results, all of a sudden have it in their mind that mones don’t work. I’m pretty sure we lose many members this way.:o > > I’ve actually tried -none with the TAC buffer with the ICM mixes. I tell yah Reclipse it’s a freaky little molecule that P93. I must of mixed up those three (-none, P93, TAC) in every combination and without fail the P93 was out of the closet. It drove me nuts 🙂. I’d love to read it when you do some experimenting. > > Keep in mind that we are vastly different and my experiences are my own.😃 I will definitely be testing this idea out. I also had another idea of how to possibly combat the ‘gay’ vibe that people seem to be experiencing. I’m wondering if a light dosing of diluted cops would change the dynamic of things. Cops + IJ (new version without) + TAC (-none buffer) + p93… sounds like another test to be doing once I decide to pick up some EOW haha ---
**Author:** ![BubbleCatcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ebca7d/32.png) [@BubbleCatcher](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/BubbleCatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/16 "2010-04-09T20:08:53Z")
> [@JohnnyHard](#): > > Thanks Steve, your are the man. 🙂 > > I have a 20 mcg P93 bottle, how much drops of P93 (20mcg) is 2,9 mcg? > > You say one Spray, but what is with more than one spray of your mix? > > And why make p93 only high none feminine? Is P93 with low none Super Gay? 2.5mcg is 1/8th of 20mcg so 1 part [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) to 7 parts PA or cologne will give you 2.5mcg I mix my PA with some neroli EO and DPG oil with musk Have some P93 arriving next week and look forward to testing it. Anyone tried it with P75? i for one will be as find P75 gives masculine presence that could negotiate any gay vibe. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 11:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/17 "2010-04-09T23:01:02Z")
Thanks guys, I will test the MX302 mix… Steve, I can wear high none like 3 drops NPA or PI, that’s the reason with TAC and [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/). I make the mistake to orient me on much younger members here, the same age is the key. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/18 "2010-04-09T23:04:43Z")
I’ve had good luck with [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/)… it seems to add a “rich creamy” phero note if there is such a thing… takes the rough edges off, has a comfortable broad pleasantness to it… the aged single malt scotch of the putatives IME… ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/19 "2010-04-10T00:50:36Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > I’ve had good luck with P93… it seems to add a “rich creamy” phero note if there is such a thing… takes the rough edges off, has a comfortable broad pleasantness to it… the aged single malt scotch of the putatives IME… I love that description. Fits my experiences. Takes the rough edges off. ---
**Author:** ![cjw255](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/45deac/32.png) [@cjw255](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cjw255)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607/20 "2012-02-28T15:37:55Z")
I know this is an old thread…but I’d just like to say how I’ve used high doses of p93 20-60 mcg with ammo/npa, p75, tac, and IO, with what I considered great results. I felt my results got BETTER when I kept increasing the p93 from 20 to 40 to 60. Only reason I wont try any higher then 60 is to make this bottle last since theres no more to buy. I have 20 mcg per spray. Tac I’ve never gone higher then 60 and p75 never went higher then 30 mcg [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93-weaken-none-and-rone-greatly-why/37607.md?page=2)