# P93's 'uplifting' effects on women **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 30, 2007, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865 "2007-07-30T09:53:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/1 "2007-07-30T09:53:37Z")
From the ladies perspectives… Me, Me and P93 Nunya (March 28, 2007): "Hmm..I like P93. Very uplifting to me. I’m wearing it today with my usual business mix. 1 drop A314 , 1 drop cleo, I skipped the Beta Androstenol , and 2 sprays p93 (12.5mcg) at my neck and 1 spray on each arm for a total of 50mcg. as soon as I put it on, I got this great rush of optimism, and bounding energy. Very happy frame of mind - which is good, because I’ve got some personal issues I’ve been wrestling with for the past few days that have been weighing on me, and now, they just seem unimportant. During the first 30 minutes on my drive in, i was enjoying the sunshine, enjoying the tunes, not stressing about traffic. The elation started to mellow, probably 15 minutes in, and now I’m left with the optimism, and energy. So far at work i haven’t crossed paths with 1 person that I haven’t complimented or been complimented by today. I think I feel a bit bubbly, and very can-do. And of course, complimentative. So far I really dig it. Even the morning strategy meeting,w hich can be stressful, was interesting. Everyone was very cooperative, we were able to talk and strategize throught he rest of the day in a very unemotional way. Which is different because I work with some moody people that don’t really like to pitch in. This one so far is a keeper." Me, Me and P93 Nunya (March 28, 2007): "…beta-nolish in that it leads to intimate conversations? for me P93 ] seems more like Shine should be. It makes people smiley, and conversational, but not intimately so. Just lots of surface talk. But not the compulsive need to talk like with high doses of alphanol. And yeah - this is cleo alpha. As I’ve mentioned other times, A314 by itself only works well on it’s own for me at certain times of the month. At others it’s too heavy. that’s when I add the cleo in. it reduces some of the drag. So far it’s been working well. I get the focus, without the heaviness. and it’s my "instant female magic " with the uberbitch. i totally fall of her radar when I’m wearing A314 . if my signature is totally girly, she’s absolutely hateful. to everyone, not just me. It’s the strangest thing. So anyways - 3 hours in, and I’m still feeling pretty upbeat with the p93. it also seems to be giving me that “panfocus” that people talk about withTAF. I feel like i’m noticing everything, but not really distracted by it. MAtter of fact, i enjoy it. Lot’s of clarity. And lots of smiles from coworkers and such. The compliments are still coming and going. i am wearing a striking outfit today, so that’s most likely why they are coming - but i still feel quite comfortable giving them. perhaps because i’m actually noticing things. hee hee." Me, Me and P93 Nunya (March 28, 2007): "so here’s soemthing funny. I haven’t seen my closest workfriend all day long, so we just spent a little special-time together catching up on the day. She knows all my adventures, so i talk to her about all the different phero stuff that happens. I was explaining my P93 experience with her and she was like “i totally see it! I saw it when you walked in - you were all bouncy and smiley, and you’re standing taller, and you’re just glowing” so i guess that’s some self-influence there. I was telling her it acted how prozac should act - she knows the thing i’m wrestling with at the moment, and i told her how as soon as I put it on, i starting feeling “you know what? it’s really just not that f’in bad” She said she wants to bathe in it now. and she prolly should - cuz it’s always that bad for her. but she’s got sensitive skin. so tomorrow i’m gonna make her a P93 papertowel to huff through the day, so we can see what it does to her." Me, Me and P93 Nunya (March 29, 2007): “…my bounding optimism came with 50mcg [of P93]…” Initial Impressions of P74 Nunya (March 30, 2007): “…god what would I compare it to? a really good drug. _lol_ like i mentioned in my other thread - P93 ] acts the way an anti-depressant should act. Immediate boost of optimisim and energy. and clarity. with no sides, and no crash. I wouldn’t call it sexual tho. just a general sense of well-being. I’m sure it could amp up any sexual combo tho.” [Pheromones](https://a314.com/) and Emotion Nunya (March 30, 2007): "…as for me - i can’t stop raving about p93 - i’m jsut really impressed in how it affected me, while dealing with a personal issue of mine. I was pretty much overanalyzing, and getting more and more frustrated, but i sprayed p93 on, and a few minutes later - i was jsut able to let it go. it jsut kinda became “you know what? it’s really just not that f\*ckin’ bad - let it go”. And that feeling has stuck with me. So P93 is the trivializing phero to me. _lol_" Pheros and Music! nunya (May 30, 2007): “i noticed that with P93. I was listening to house music and the bass was so much…bassier. loved it.” Me, Me and P93 Jasmin (March 28, 2007): "…Nunya, this hit story is amazing! There’s something to P93, isn’t there? I just used it the other day to get me through a tough spot and I felt uplifted while completely forgetting that I was wearing it. I have a 10 mcg/spray hanging out on my desk and use 2-3 sprays. How big is yours and how much do you typically use?" p93 redux vkat (July 2007): “I’ve been playing with my p93. I’d used it in the past with what I thought were good results, but usually with other pheros. The last few days I have only used it with cops, which I always use, they are like a baseline with me now. Anyway, I am using 3-5 sprays (10mcg 30-50 mcg total) and reapplying 30 mcg about every four hours when out. Hair, neck, chest. I have really noticed that people are very friendly and seem to want to give me things or do things for me, much like people have described withTAH, only TAH never did that for me. I also notice my stress level is lower. I had to work over the holiday and they scheduled quite a bit for me, and I was very surly going in. Since I had to go meet some Asian students at a ballgame, I sprayed 5 sprays shortly before leaving. When I got there, the guy in the parking lot let me park free as I wasn’t staying for the whole game. Walking in, a mom whose kids wouldn’t go with her fell in beside me and gave me a ticket, although I was supposed to get in free, insisted I take it, in case there was some kind of problem. It really did save time as I would have had to walk a lot further to pick up my pass. All went fine with the students and when I went back to work, it was fine there too, even though I was on an extremely tight schedule with no backup. So, I wore it again today. 40mcg. Another very mellow day. People are kind and gentle with me. Although they call it “Asian Persuasion” I get the same effects with everyone. And they are very nice ones, I think. I think I’ll just keep going till I use up the bottle. I have a few days worth left. What I would state is that p93 definitely has a nice social effect, without turning me into a motormouth or making my brain fuzzy and it “gentles” me and others without the attempts to push me around that Tahcan have (on me - I’m one of those TAL people and that’s that, I guess.) I don’t notice the perceptual effects that others do, just how nice people are to me and how they seem to want to give me things. I like that. This is a very nice little phero, I think. I am under tremendous stress for a number of reasons this week so I think that makes it even more remarkable.” p93 redux vkat (July 2007): “…Thanks, nbully, that clears that up. I am continuing to wear the P93 alone and with other mixes that I am very familiar with (Instant shine,instant openness, instant sexi) usually 3-4 10mcg sprays and I am continuing to get the effect that it somehow seems to make me more “loveable” or “softer”, like TAH does for many others. It seems to increase magnetism for me and ups the effect of other pheros that do the same, likeInstant Shine. I would be really interested to know if any of the other ladies that have determined they definitely have a strong TAL signature have used p93 and how they thought it affected things, or if they would be willing to use it alone or with something they always use to see how it works. I will need at least another bottle or two to be sure, but it seems to give me the softening approachable effect of TAH without declaring me fair game for somebody’s aggression, which TAH seems to evoke when I wear it (especially with cops, yikes, never again). When I wear p93 people seem inclined to do things for me (another thing that doesn’t happen much in my life-usually people seem to expect me to do something for THEM) instead of TO me, lol. I have always been jealous of women who wear TAH with such great results and I think I might have something now that works that way for me. Of course one bottle and one set of experiences doesn’t prove anything. Still, I think I’m on to something and I want to try another bottle to see if this keeps happening.” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 10:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/2 "2007-07-30T10:35:07Z")
Deleted post And from the perspectives of the ‘gentlemen’ (leaving out the experiences of P93 's number one fan toilofday for now): No time for experiments…(putatives) Need a solid mix by Friday. nbully79 (February 4, 2007): "…Visionary, I have tried P93 for few times now. With 3 sprays I was becoming very introspective (thinking too much about myself and life and such) and I didn’t like it. I am naturally very introspective and too much of it tends to bring me down, which is what happened with it. With 2 sprays I didn’t observe much. So I tried 1 spray recently and it surprised me. I posted the report on my blog. Here is the text: Today I tried P93 one spray only. I think it has an easygoing attraction vibe. 1 spray in the morning and 1 spray in the afternoon (12.5mcg/spray), both times to the back of head. In the morning met a lady with whom I had taken a class before, she was very talkative, approached me to talk (never did that before, she is normally very shy), asked lot of questions and was very friendly, volunteered lots of information about her son, got my phone number, touched me 2-3 times on hand while talking in a flirty way. In the afternoon met with friend who was in a sharing mode too, talked about his life when he was young, disclosed some private information, good conversation. It’s not without attention getting qualities. Got more than usual eye contact from women. People I met were more receptive and friendly. Some beta-nolish characteristics! Sex was good too!!" Me, Me and P93 steveo (March 30, 2007): "I’m going to pipe in here, only because I think I need to. I’ve been using P93 a few days now. Although I have been mixing it in with some other molecules and I can’t separate as a defining P93 moment, but I get high-status and approachability. High-status as in good enough for retired couple to show respect and yet receptive to allow me an invite into their family life. I’ve also got an interesting compliment from a young lady the other day. She approached me. Like I said I cannot relate this experience solely to P93 and perhaps it is buffered enough by the other molecules, but mixed testing has been interesting. I guess I’ll have to try a go at it alone and see what happens." p74 test Flipcat (May 1, 2007): “…Now P93, maybe that’s the “boyfriend effect”? Women def seem to like it, but I get these weird responses from guys like they might be feeling attraction and they hate themselves for it! (either that, or they just hate it, period)…” MX200-MX201 The Asian Persuasion?? pheroasian (May 16, 2007): "Ok here’s the latest report. Yesterday in the afternoon I used 4 Spray of MX201 - 1 on the neck, 1 on each wrist, 2 on the chest. Went out working as usual, lots of interaction but nobody notice anything different or getting any IOI’s. Then evening came, went out for dinner with another lady friend. before meeting her, used another 3 spray, 1 on the chest and 1 on each wrist. Stacking it, I was hoping on an OD effect - if it is possible with P93 Anyhow this lady is the type which is very conscious of personal space and also close to phobic on touching or body contact. If normal people sensitivity is a 5, she is and 8.5. Even though I may know her for quite some time. Cut the story short, there were no personal space at all when we went out. Accidently bump into her several times, she didnt even notice. And deliberately bump onto chest and butt, no reaction…as if nothing happen. Hmm perhaps MX201 is good at breaking personal space?" EST - uplift and bonding for men only? Sigma (July 2007): “…P93 seems to create similar empathetic type of effects, but seems a bit more geared towards women than EST. Where P74 seems to pair well with alpha androstenol and TAA (uplifted, fun, social), P93 seems to pair well with beta androstenol , and Androstadienone (intimate, penetrating, empathetic, social).” What’s that smell!!?!! Gone with the wind (July 29, 2007): “… P93 ] seems to round the masculine pheromones out a bit. I think maybe some of the bad none reactions are due to isolating the none in an unnatural manner. I’ve tempered the none in this mix, but as you can tell from the anonomous yelling I’m still treading on the edge at these dosages. I’m polite, and people usually don’t want to mess with me, so up to now I’ve had no problems with other guys.” ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 5:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/3 "2007-07-31T05:18:00Z")
I love this thread! haha 😛 this sums everything up very nicely. My number 1 thought on p93 is that it takes the alpha male and turns it into what I call the alpha/beta male…aka, they alpha male that everybody likes. A mild shift with profound results. great post man. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 5:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/4 "2007-07-31T05:50:44Z")
Wow! I didn’t know that [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) is so effective!!😮 I have a bottle but I haven’t tried it yet!:o ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 5:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/5 "2007-07-31T05:57:27Z")
> [@toilofday](#): > > I love this thread! haha 😛 > > this sums everything up very nicely. > > My number 1 thought on p93 is that it takes the alpha male and turns it into what I call the alpha/beta male…aka, they alpha male that everybody likes. > > A mild shift with profound results. > > great post man. A [warm alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-you-think-a-woman-should-be-treated/4005/56) perhaps? Props to PQ for introducing me to that article. My thoughts so far on [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) based on my experiences and what’s been shared here (particularly by the women) is that P93 works as a mood uplifter for women (as indicated by the title of the thread). When these uplifted moods are felt radiating from you, they create a greater degree of comfort, rapport, comfort, and intimacy. Women will be drawn to and feel closer to men who they feel _good_ around. These types of effects aren’t explicitly sexual, however, they do create increased sexual opportunity by creating comfort and lowering social/sexual barriers between you and a lady. This is a stark contrast to something like androstenone, that often creates attraction through tension/aggression (in some ways you could say androstenone creates attraction through a degree of discomfort.) Rethinking my past post, I’d say P93’s effects on women seem closer to androstedienone than EST, though a bit more pronounced and without dienones depressive effects. The effect that EST has on me when initially applied, however, seems to align with the effect that Nunya and Jasmine described they felt when they used P93. Rather interesting I think. I’m not sure if P93 has made sex better for me (though I think it might have..not sure just yet), but it does seem to enhance after-sex bonding…as in a complete obliteration of personal space after sex. This tends to happen after really good sex too, so it might be a product of P93 making sex better? Just thinking outloud here. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/6 "2007-07-31T08:51:07Z")
Deleted post Yes toil good to see you posting again I will paste in the best of your posts on P93 /MX201 sometime later in this thread. Thank you for the update Sig! Mohammad you should really try P93 out and post back with results mate those are the rules here. Back to the topic at hand, one thing that I have noticed though about P93 is a kind of ‘anti-social’ feeling it can give me (though I am a little too much inclined in that direction anyway, I definitely feel P93 on its own moves things in that direction). And sure enough, MHarris amongst others has commented on this facet of the molecule (see below). Of course this facet of P93 is likely to be ‘correctable’ by adding social monesIMHO… P93… yes, it exists… no, you can’t have it… tacitus (December 9, 2006): “Tried a blend of STRONG P93, 150 mu, with a softener of Alpha Androstenol , TAA, and -Androsterone… fascinating mixture of interest and respect… guys were very deferential, women were intrigued, the dog really got into chewing on his tennis ball… people in the room seems to be strongly unconsciously cued off of my behavior and attitudes… I had little patience for trivial crap, a la P80, but it was less authoritarian, less dark and looming… 150 mu is a lot of anything… women were unquestionably interested, thought I was “sexy and mysterious”… possibilities, I thunk to meself… this has possibilities…” P93… yes, it exists… no, you can’t have it… Sunny (December 12, 2006): "I finally received P93 (50 mcg) and here are my first results on myself: Yesterday I applied a spray on my upper lip and I got the strongest pheromone buzz I have ever experienced. It’s hard for me to put this buzz into words since I can’t really compare it to anything I have experienced before, and I had my share of pheromones and drugs (oh, what a comparison…). I felt very happy and good and… careless. Also head a somewhat drunken feeling. It was still strong after two hours when I decided I better wash off as much as possible from my upper lip. Today in the morning I wore 3 1/2 sprays of P93 (to neck and hands) and it did put me in very unusual state. Other people were open and friendly, but unfortunately I am not spending my days in an environment where testing on others is easy (I wish I were back at University for this). Myself I had a very mellow feeling. I was smiling most of the time for no reason. It felt like I had full ability to focus on things if I wanted but I did not want. During a conversation which would normally have been uneasy for me, I was not only calm but careless, amost too careless, like if I had this kind of conversation 1000 times before and it was kind of boring. P93 is interesting stuff. I have been using a high dosage of cause. As a standalone it might be useful in situations of high social anxiety. It will probably work well in various mixes. I don’t habe enough experience on how it works on others. But I feel it has potential!" P93… yes, it exists… no, you can’t have it… MHarris (December 12, 2006): "…I don’t like commenting early on putatives, but I always it’s good to give warnings, if necessary. First, I think this is fine for driving. I’ve driven using P93 and it was great. If anything, I was more cautious than ever. I didn’t want to be bothered by passengers while on the road. Second, I didn’t notice any drowsiness myself. The one thing I alluded to above, though, is something both Tacitus and Sunny have noted… and that is a loss of patience of trivial things. It’s not like androstenone for me, though. It doesn’t seem to have an angry dimension for me ( androstenone definitely does). I’m enjoying things and feel good, but I just want to get the current thing done once there’s nothing new to see, and move onto whatever I have to do next, with as little fuss and muss as possible. Again, sort of -none like, but without the anger or aggression. I also haven’t noticed the extremely polarized effects androstenone tends to have on others… but I’ll stop here. All I’ll end with is by saying that it’s a neat molecule. For the reasons most guys are attracted to pheromones, I think it’ll be useful." No time for experiments…(putatives) Need a solid mix by Friday. nbully79 (February 4, 2007): “…Visionary, I have tried P93 for few times now. With 3 sprays I was becoming very introspective (thinking too much about myself and life and such) and I didn’t like it. I am naturally very introspective and too much of it tends to bring me down, which is what happened with it. With 2 sprays I didn’t observe much. So I tried 1 spray recently and it surprised me. I posted the report on my blog…” MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (March 8, 2007): “… P93 ] realy seems like bar type of pheromone, but I haven’t noticed any negative results (except it not being social without something that is)…” ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 9:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/7 "2007-07-31T09:24:52Z")
> Socrates > > Mohammad you should really try P93 out and post back with results mate those are the rules here.🙂 Sure, mate, I actually underestimated that little bottle!!:o thanks!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2007, 9:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/8 "2007-08-01T09:07:13Z")
Deleted post Indeed the Androtics brains trust did combine P93 with some ‘social’ mones like Alpha Androstenol and TAA (in MX203). It sounds like the additions helped make things a little more social though P93 's ‘chilled-out’ effect seemed to still come through a bit for Djigit in his last post below… Forum Member Freebie Coupons 12/12/06 - 12/18/06 - P93 mix for men and A314 for Women Jasmin (December 12, 2006): “…1. The first pheromone test mix you get is MX203. This is heavy P93 based mix Michael made last week. Has lots of Alpha Androstenol andTAA, too. Comes in a base of what we’ve been calling our “PheroGame” cologne or Fragrance #6, which has similar notes to Cool Water, Unforgivable, Green Irish Tweed, etc. It’s a simple, but bazooka like mix…” MX203, Safe for work? smoothplayer (March 8, 2007): " MX203, Safe for work? Is it?? I know too many of you guys prob’ly don’t have it but I read here that it has P93…but I don’t know how much compared to the alpha androstenol…like what is the ratio?" spraying my assignment with pheromones before turning it in? smoothplayer (March 23, 2007): “…i’m getting great results wth the p93 Alpha Androstenol stuff, so maybe it could work???..” MX203 + Couple drinks = elation? Chas (December 30, 2006): " MX203 + Couple drinks = elation? I’m not drunk by any means, but could it be that alcohol is enhancing the self-effects of MX203? All i know is, i’m in a damn good mood, like if i was significantly buzzed, but i’m definitely not, as i’ve only had 1.5 drinks at the moment." My Phero-Progress (so to speak) Chas (January 3, 2007): “Alright, tried MX102 + (accidentally) MX203 at school. There may have been a difference here. Students were fairly cheerful around me, despite it being the first day back from a long vacation. Little more than usual? Maybe…can’t tell from just one day…” Experimenting Djigit (January 25, 2007): “4 – I put on 3 sprays of MX203 (for men) today before going to work. Initial reaction was that it woke me up from being knackered, very quickly, much more so than a coffee. Then I really felt drawn to the smell of it, I felt like when I would concentrate on smelling it, I would blank out from any distractions. Whereas when I would consciously avoid smelling it , I would become very intent on something, could not figure out what. Either way I think the smell and the effects of smelling are great, they are nothing I can put my finger on but kind of addictive. I’m thinking it could be used to keep someone close to you for the duration of the effects. Not really sure what else to look for. Have not noticed many reactions from other people yet, except the secretary was a bit closer than usual.” Experimenting Djigit (January 26, 2007): “Played around some more with MX203 when I got home. Put one spray on my shirt and played some chess online, played better than usual, felt really relaxed yet focused at the same time. Did some meditation with another spray on my shirt, once again felt very relaxed and nicely focused. I think I was kind of becoming attached to it, so one more spray and off to bed to see what effects it had on my dreams. Fell asleep very quick, though that may have been due to meditation. Dreams were pleasant and vivid, though I woke up an hour too early and could not get back to sleep. I love the way that stuff smell though…” Experimenting Djigit (February 1, 2007): "…7 – Had one of my friends around my place yesterday, he brought some weed with him. We smoked a joint and sat around talking bollocks, as you do. I already told this guy about my experiments and let him try some out. He’s particularly interested in something that will enhance his acting auditions, I’m thinking A314 , I assume he’ll be making an appearance around here sometime soon. Anyway, I decided to spray us both with some MX203 and see what the effects were. 2 Sprays each later, we were both feeling very chilled, almost too chilled, to the point that neither of us could even be bothered talking, we kind of forced a conversation and then decided to let things pan out naturally. End result, he played a video game for an hour and I did some tai chi and meditation. I must say this stuff can really, really chill me out, great for meditation type stuff, not too great for conversation, though that may be the weed, but than again weed usually makes both of us chatter away like mad. Will test gain soon." ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2007, 5:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/9 "2007-08-04T05:49:19Z")
Deleted post Another aspect of [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) ’s effects is the undeniable lack of approachability that comes with its use (at least when it is a strong component of a mix). Now this lack of approachability is not necessarily a bad thing as this could be because P93 signals ‘high status’ which would be in line with toilofday’s summing up of P93 as shifting an Alpha male vibe into an ‘Alpha male that everybody likes’. Below you can see that Jasmin thought it might signal ‘high status’ and some others (toilofday, Nunya, Steveo) agreed that this could well be the case. Tacitus, when wearing a heavy dose of this putative (150 mcg , though it was tempered by TAA , Alpha- Androstenol and Androsterone) definitely noticed this ‘respect’ facet of P93 and felt it was among those putatives that have a ‘generally civilized, well sociallizedquality’/‘balance of masculinity and credibility/trust/attraction’. Me, Me and P93 Jasmin (March 30, 2007): "…Optimistic feeling (even to women, says Nunya), but not approachable? Interesting. Maybe there’s a high status element to P93? High status generally = less approachable." Me, Me and P93 Nunya (March 30, 2007): "hmm..i can see toils point on approachability. As many compliments as I got (even from one strange girl who stopped her rather intense cell conversation to throw one to me) it didn’t promote chattiness. Not like P74 yesterday. Lots of smiley interaction tho. Now that i think about it, one of my super-talkative coworkers, came directly to my cube, asked what smelled like incense, sniffed my arm, decided it wasn’t me, and then disappeared as quickly as he came. usually he’ll stop and bs for a while. So yeah - I think i’ll concur with the high status thing." Me, Me and P93 steveo (March 30, 2007): "I’m going to pipe in here, only because I think I need to. I’ve been using P93 a few days now. Although I have been mixing it in with some other molecules and I can’t separate as a defining P93 moment, but I get high-status and approachability. High-status as in good enough for retired couple to show respect and yet receptive to allow me an invite into their family life. I’ve also got an interesting compliment from a young lady the other day. She approached me. Like I said I cannot relate this experience solely to P93 and perhaps it is buffered enough by the other molecules, but mixed testing has been interesting. I guess I’ll have to try a go at it alone and see what happens." Me, Me and P93 Nunya (March 30, 2007): “what else were you wearing p93 with Steveo? I was wearing A314 which would give the high status, and cleo which would give chattiness and approachability, but it seems status won out.” Me, Me and P93 toilofday (March 30, 2007): "I have found p93 raw to be decently unaproachable, even at 10 mcg. It’s not like people are afraid to talk to you, it’s more like they don’t want to bother you. The status element must be there. I never quite thought of it like that I have also noticed it to be EXTREMELY EASY to buffer. Just a little bit of anything friendly and the molocule turns right around…" P93… yes, it exists… no, you can’t have it… tacitus (December 9, 2006): “Tried a blend of STRONG P93, 150 mu, with a softener of Alpha Androstenol, TAA, and -Androsterone… fascinating mixture of interest and respect… guys were very deferential, women were intrigued, the dog really got into chewing on his tennis ball… people in the room seems to be strongly unconsciously cued off of my behavior and attitudes… I had little patience for trivial crap, a la P80, but it was less authoritarian, less dark and looming… 150 mu is a lot of anything… women were unquestionably interested, thought I was “sexy and mysterious”… possibilities, I thunk to meself… this has possibilities…” P90… subtle, a touch social dominant, maybe ?? Tacitus (November 29, 2006): “… the upper range putatives so far, P90, P91, P93 appear to have a generally civilized, well sociallized quality…” Tacitus by PM (December 20, 2006): “…the higher range of Putatives, P83, P91, P93 all seem to have this balance of masculinity and credibility/trust/attraction…” ---
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Deleted post Now the question is, and the jury is still out on this one, whether the lack of approachability that P93 (without significant buffering by more ‘social’ mones ) has is because: -It signals ‘high status’ in some way (comparable to say A314’s ‘commanding, competent, warm older male presence’ or P74’s ‘social popularity/higher social status’ effect). It would be awesome IMHO if P93’s lack of approachability is because of this reason as A314 (at work) and P74 (socially) have proven themselves to be two of the most useful products probably largely because of this ‘high status’ effect. (Okay P74 is new but already seems to be a hit with pretty much everyone that has tried it) - P93 signals some other form of respect not necessarily directly related to ‘high status’ (for example, Androstenone , which P93 has been compared to, signals ‘dominance by force’ and ‘raw muscularity’ which can lead to consistently negative reactions for some users). -P93’s effect discussed above of ‘chilling the wearer out and getting them to focus on particular tasks/impatience with things that get in the way of these tasks’ spills over onto effects on others. So for example, socialising/talking/making small talk may not be compatible with the P93 ‘aura’ so people may not want to approach someone as soon as they feel that ‘no-fuss task focusing’ vibe. On the other hand once the socialising begins, P93 can make things quite ‘friendly’ and ‘bonding’ (as can be seen from the posts earlier in this thread). -Something else possibly - for example P83 , at least at higher doses (say 60 mcg +) also has a lack of approachability but, judging from its effects on me and other people’s experiences, that is probably not to do with higher value or respect. Rather, it seems to put people in a ‘listening/hearing’ mode and makes them feel more sensitive to the wearer’s ‘energy’ in some way (see below). I personally think that the lack of approachability that P93 has (without buffering by more ‘social’ pheromones) is either because of points one or three above. It would be interesting to see if anyone has any thoughts on this. 4 drops of A314 (base), 2 IS, 2 CTTM2, and 1 Meo-Est (went out to a dance). MHarris (February 21, 2006): "…You’d never get approachability with that much A314 . With that amount, you probably wouldn’t even get much approachability when paired with massive amounts of an alpha androtstenol based product. A314 displays status/higher value – a " DHV ". It makes it easier for you to approach others, with much higher than normal certainty that you’ll a positive response. With A314 , other people will be much more accepting of your advances and your intentions, but at the same time, the display of higher value will vastly reduce the number of people who would’ve approached you. You could say tht you are more intimidating with A314 , but it’s not in an aggressive way like you are sometimes with androstenone. No one will be frightened of you. Rather, most people will be too afraid they’re going to bother you or waste your time. They’re plenty comfortable around you, but respectful. It’s a VIP effect that most people haven’t experienced previously. The bottom line is that if you’re not comfortable initiating, A314 is not for you. Generally people feel more “comfortable” approaching someone “safe” to them. That’s usually someone outwardly fun (Shine has a “fun’ vibe, whereas A314 is more “serious”), or of lower value (one reason why plain looking girls tend to have the more boyfriends and the bigger heads than the prettiest.)…” Pheros are good 'n all AND… Jasmin (April 26, 2007): “…I think everyone likes P74… I’ve noted a “cool guy” effect everywhere with it. You just can’t go wrong with that one.” What would you call P74? One word or succint phrase Jasmin (May 20, 2007): " What would you call P74? One word or succint phrase The most accurate (and still catchy) word we’ve heard so far is “Cool”. (a’la Instant Cool) The best, short phrase is probably “Cool Dude”…" Mixes: P74 / IO / Ammo vs Pheroproof? Flipcat (May 27, 2007): “…My ears perked up when you said she was way cooler than you, but was still into you with P74. I’ve been feeling that P74 makes me into the cool guy. Cool people tend to only like other cool people, so would you agree? Were you wearing any others pheromones?” Pheromone Arousal m3turbo (April 30, 2007): " P74 ] seems to sort of give off a cool person vibe. It seems to make people think “hey this guy knows where the party is at.” It is very interesting, I think because so many women will judge you based on your social status is why this is making my mixes so much more effective. I have not used it by itself though so I can’t say for sure but when I added it to my mixes I started getting way more hits." Pheromone Arousal m3turbo (May 1, 2007): “I have never used come CTTM so I can’t compare but P74 is slightly different than any reaction I have gotten from the nols. People don’t flock around you like I guess they are supposed to with CTTM . It is like an admirable androstenol . Like A314 but cooler and more approachable. So you are pretty accurate with your CTTM A314 reference.” High-dose P83 – a different kind of ‘respect’ signal? TaoistBiker (April 21, 2007): "My P83 experience is somewhat dose dependent. I would describe it as a “vibe sensitivity” substance. In small amounts, it makes me sensitive to the energy present, and in high doses “sucks you in” to the energy. If things are social, it tracks the social energy. Likewise, it seems to have a similar response to anti-social and sexual energies. Very cool and empathetic in a way… 1 week of p83 MarkL (March 11, 2007): " 2.5 mu P83 I applied to chin and inhaled during the spray. Just one spray over a mostly depleted base of A314 mutant and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). After about ten minutes, I started making the small muscular adjustments that remind me of trying to clear my sinuses and nasal passages when taking off in an airplane. Except I was flexing and extending my temporoparietal muscles, the auriculares .. and some of the jaw and throat muscles as well: clearing myears. The next few hours riding around the city on buses and trains I was attuned to the sounds around me. Perhaps it was a shift in attention, or perhaps a real ratchet in auditory capacity – I was able to get a sense of the tone of people around me who were conversing, even when they spoke at a murmur (or I felt I did!) I seemed to have an empathetic understanding of their … “vocal intent”, if that makes any sense. I repeated the P83 application about 8 hours later – one spray – and felt comfortable in my local bar sitting back and listening to the buzz around me. I felt I got some of the nuances of the music (videos) playing in the bar – more than I would ordinarily have picked up on – and could suss out the quality of laughter of various people there. I was able to rapidly shift my attention to tune into a short utterance from across the room, then jump back to two or three other conversations. While I could hear words if I wanted to, I wasn’t eavesdropping – I ignored the words, for the most part, and tried to just listen to tone and rhythm. I wondered if I’d shift into non-semantic audition (when listening to a quality of a person’s voice and you shift into a mode where although you hear the words, you only hear the words as if they were nonsense sounds; you can pick a word and repeat it until it begins to lose it’s meaning-carrying value, until it’s just a sound). I didn’t, but I’ll make a conscious intention to go there if I can when I try P83 next. In summary: high auditory alertness, flexibility, and perhaps even enhanced sensitivity, preceded by face and throat “gestures” or “exercises” related to “opening ears”." P83 - Mind Bending Sex steveo (May 18, 2007) “…Yeah I had to open everyone with P83 ], but once you get going it becomes evident that it creates rapport. On the other hand I noticed myself very talkative and wanting to open people, which makes me question the P83 vibe itself. I am naturally gregarious, but today I was on a mission to talk to everyone. So if I was self effected, which most likely I was, then you can say that communication would actually open up with this putative.” ---
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putative and mix spreadsheet [http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pQNd0an1GwdasioEPdlh\_IA](http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pQNd0an1GwdasioEPdlh_IA) experienced users - pls feel free to update this as more feedback comes in. if you think you should have access and you don’t then send me a PM. ---
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> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > [http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pQNd0an1GwdasioEPdlh\_IA](http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pQNd0an1GwdasioEPdlh_IA) > > experienced users - pls feel free to update this as more feedback comes in. if you think you should have access and you don’t then send me a PM. Eh, your personal storage limit has been reached. . . Cant’ send you PM’s. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 8:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/13 "2007-08-10T08:53:26Z")
Deleted post As promised, here is a collection of the best of toilofday’s experiences with P93 (note again MX201 is a mix of '12.5mcg of P93 in Neroli '). His obvious love for the molecule means that he is the guy who should lecture on P93ism and to which this thread is dedicated… Thow Some Copulins In The Mix toilofday (February 17, 2007): “…The Mx201/ p93 definitely wore off now that I think about it. I noticed it having a distinctive light happy vide when I wore it in the past…” MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (March 4, 2007): "…30 minutes after arival, HB A makes note of my “cologne” She tells me, “You smell good, REALY good! What are you wearing” I told her it was called ammunition (as the mx211 is ammo scented) and that she wouldn’t be able to find it. It was my secret, and I had modified the scent. She smelled me a couple of times and began to describe the scent as, “I realy like it. It’s not too sweet, and it’s not to…” She then made some hand jestures signifying a perfect balance and continued, “It’s…” I intergected and said, “captivating.” She agreed and smelled me again. I bring up the fragrance later to start up a conversation, and she said it was the first thing she noticed when she hugged me and loved it. She couldn’t say enough about how wonderful this stuff was, and agreed that I should keep it a secret. It would be to my benifit to not have other people wearing it. I’ve worn mx211 around HB A before and never recieved this results. I’m positive it was the mx201. It does something to the female brain that is truely facinating and fantastic… There didn’t seem to be any negative effects such as avoidance or the ghost effect, as long as the mx201 was lightly buffered. I don’t think usingmx201 as a solo would be as effective if not buffered. I didn’t see any type of agression. I didn’t notice much of a difference in my own actions/character. There may have been a little less need for personal, physical and conversational space, but that could have been a result of how I was treated by the group. I think I may have been less gaurded to sexual inuendo, but I don’t put much weight in that speculation. I’m very happy with mx201, and am glad I found my bottle as I lost it earlier today. " MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (March 4, 2007): "I posted to soon. mx201 definately enhances closeness. I was talking with HB A about my plans to move to Cali. She told me if I moved to Cali she would probably move with me. The closeness effect doesn’t stop there. When I was talking to HB B’s boyfriend we shared some pretty hush hush stories about “fun times” at college. We both went to Purdue, and experimented with many available luxuries if you will. He told me things that could be damaging to his newly aquired relationship, and it was ok. We both subconciously understood that the discussion was confidential. We even teased HB B when walked in on a conversation regarding her. We both gave her vague answers as to what we where discussing about her. It was pretty funny. Ok, i’m done." MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (March 4, 2007): “…I tested mx201 and mx208 (1 of each) on a buddy of mine a few weeks back. It seemed to work very well for him. He made more progress with a long term target then he ever had before. He also hit it off huge with these two HB7.5’s at the second bar of the night.” What is your favorite Putative? toilofday (March 7, 2007): “…My favorite putative is p93, mind you I have only experienced it in mx201. I’m not sure if mx201 has anything in addition to p93” MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (March 8, 2007): "…[MX201] didn’t elicit betanolish qualities. Betanol adds a depth to conversation. This was more of a “I get you” kind of think. A general understanding of who a person is without realy knowing them at all. I used 1 spray of mx201 preferabley. I have used it unacompanied. It’s a little anti social, but easily corrected with some alphanol and Taa ( aka the mx207-212 series). I used it in class and had a conversation durring break by the vending machine. I found out a decent amount about her during that 5 minute period. Now that I think about it. P93 has an openness/honesty (not referencing the 2 instant products) side to it. I was told some pretty person things. It was definately not betanolish though. It wasn’t deep, but rather personaly informative or personaly revealing at the extreme. I realy seems like bar type of pheromone, but I haven’t noticed any negative results (except it not being social without something that is). I think it could be worn during the daytime when you are out and about, as long as you aren’t at work. You may be able to wear it at work, but I haven’t tested it in a work setting. I’m down 1/2 a togo bottle so that’s roughly 20 80% sized sprays. So I have a fair hold on it’s effect. I still have more testing to do. I REALY like P93, and If I had a bottle of it, i’d probably wear 5-10mcg. I think 7.5mcg could be the sweet spot." I am Confused toilofday (March 15, 2007): "After reading this, and your PM. P93 for sure. It’s sexual with a strong element of closeness (but not super deep). It gives off and “I get you” vibe. Think of it like the type of closeness you have with your best friend. They just get you. The beauty is that I haven’t seen any negative results on women or men, and all you need is some alpha Androstenol and taa to make it inviting for clubs or with your lady. Talk to jasmin about the recomendations I gave you. I am even more convinced p93 will be good for you. People, get on these p93 tests. The stuff is great. Maybe i’m crazy, but it’s slowly becoming my favorite. (it’s also called mx201) 12.5 mcg is a nice, light sexual vibe. 2 sprays could be to uninviting, but as long as it’s buffered it’s great. By its self, I think it’s not as sexual, or maybe too sexual. Probably the later." here’s a thread not covered: gay pheromones? toilofday (March 28, 2007): “Try p93. It has a nice male bonding vibe with a friendly opening up to you tone as well.. Couple it with shine and openness, as it’s not inviting by it’s self.” Me, Me and P93 toilofday (March 28, 2007): “…The way it affects you ladies is why it’s my favorite molocule…” Me, Me and P93 toilofday (March 29, 2007): "Ok, so I put on 50 mcg. Light and happy with a hint of energy but nothing along the lines you posted, Nunya. The coffee girls were hesitant to talk to me as p93 has proven to be not very aproachable, but they were friendly and smiled. The girl in front of me gave me an odd look as she moved out of the line…" Me, Me and P93 toilofday (March 30, 2007): "I have found p93 raw to be decently unaproachable, even at 10 mcg. It’s not like people are afraid to talk to you, it’s more like they don’t want to bother you. The status element must be there. I never quite thought of it like that. I have also noticed it to be EXTREMELY EASY to buffer. Just a little bit of anything friendly and the molocule turns right around. I suspect Nunya was being aproached because she is female and produces those happy upbeat pheormones, not to mention the effect it had on her attitude. Everybody wants to talk to happy smiley lady in the office right? As for Steveo, he said he was mixing. And if I think I have a decent idea of what he’s been adding p93 with. I suspect many of them to be happier type pheromones. The first experience I had with p93 was roughly 30mcg in one of my classes. I sprayed it on right before class. It was a small room with about 20 people. The is a alpha type blond who was in a class of mine the last semester and in 2 this semester. I was sitting about 4 feet from her. During break I was at a vending machine. I didn’t buy anything because it all sucked. She shows up to the vending machine as i’m leaving. She wasn’t going to say anything to me, but I said, “there’s nothing good in there” Low and behold, a 10 minute conversation about vending machines, health and nutrition, boyfiend doing health and nutrition, then break was over and we were talking about how much these 3 hour long classes suck. I found out more about her that day than I ever have since. It’s as if she felt close enough to me, to be able to have a conversation the was below the surface than what she would show the average person who she doesn’t really know. I had talked with her before, but it was nothing like that. Most of the time it seemed as if she wasn’t overly interested in talking to me (i might be mistaken), but she was still nice. The next major thing that p93 did for me, was when I was at a bar and had it lightly buffered. I ended up in a HB friend snadwich while both of there boyfriends were there. I’ve also been using it with ammunition quite successfuly. It picks up the parts of ammo that kinda suck as it’s -none based." MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (March 30, 2007): "Yeah, that will do it. It doesn’t take much to increase the aproachability of this molocule, P93 ]. If you have shine I’d put on a spray or two of that as well. It’s not needed, but it’s a nice addition." MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (April 25, 2007): "…I’m still using P93 ] in most of my mixes with the same results It’s upbeat (very much so according to nunya at 50 mcg I think) I’m still catching moments of male friendlyness/bonding. Women are still responding well. I worked rather well today with mx102 and taf. This girl in one of my classes sat beside me which she normaly does not, then she waved bye as she drove past me in the parking lot. Very odd of her. Dude in front of me handed me his calculator without any request or desire to need it for some business ratios we were going over. I asked for an IM name from a girl that is transfering to the same college I am in the fall. She wrote it in my notebook, then paused while talking as if she wanted to stay and talk. Franky, I love the stuff. It works very well with any sort of Status, or Alpha mix. It takes out the serious and leave the alpha/status." MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (April 26, 2007): "…Ok, this is going to sound very strange. I don’t think I get self effects. I does something, but perhaps it just meshes with who I am. I don’t know, but I can’t realy pin down doses on this one. If I had to give p93 a phase it would be, " P93 works in mysterious ways" I like to use 10 mcg for every 2.5 mcg -none or 10 mcg for every 1 drop of A314 / mx variant 5mcg may even be better I see no OD effects, but the hits seem to lessened with higher amounts (at least for a bar) then again the other day I was wering mx102 x 1.5, 30mcg of p93, and some taf and got a few social hits, and one hit from a target I was working on throughout the semester. Women like it, and it a fantastic additive to most mixes, and maybe even a stand alone. I don’t use it by it’s self anymore. Guys respond to it and it increase masculine social connections. I’m not saying that guys are going to get all buddy buddy with you, but it removes that tension most men have when interacting. I realy want to find out how it works on a girl when she is on her period." MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (April 26, 2007): "ok so looking at this again I realized I didn’t fully explain the difference in hits [with P93] between men and women. I don’t even remember what i’v written in the begining of this thread, so bear with me if I end up repeating myself. With women, I have notice that they are mildly uplifted. They seem to enjoy my presence. The first test I had there was a decrease in personal space with my female friends and so far I have notices reductions in space when wearing it in my normal mix. Then again there are other components in my mix that reduce space, like the 100mcg of taa oil. (hahahahha) In regards to -none and p93 on women. Everytime I used a -none based product people seemed stand off ish, even with my first few runs ofammo. So I began using p93 shortly there after with my -none mixes. (that was the plan initialy but I had to test ammo by it’s self a few time first) The problems that I normaly associate with -none seem to vanish when using p93. Don’t be confused by that. I doesn’t change the OD ranges of -none. It’s not going to allow you to wear more than you normaly could, it just helps facilitate the effectiveness. BTW i’m I don’t like -none. It fogs me over at times, but with p93 i’ve developed a fondness for it. Let me give a second explenation for how I think it works. If you look at the alpha personality there seems to be 2 groups of alpha. There is the Bad boy alpha, and the Non bad boy alpha. Now bad boy alpha can be good, but it’s intimidating to some. This is what I fell -nones apearance is. The non bad boy alpha is still every bit as alpha as the bad boy, but he’s not scary or threatning. The girl feels safer about being around this person, where as the bad boy could potentialy hurt her (emotionaly or physicaly) It’s all intinctual. (once again, just my views and theories, I can’t stress that enough) P93 takes -nones bad boy alpha effects and converts it to Non bad boy alpha. This explains why it has a male bonding effect as well. Men seem to want to aline themselves with other men who are of high value, but they aren’t going to going be friendly with alpha dousch…he’s a threat. The other alpha guy who is having a good time, dhv, and seems like a person who is worth knowing, is going to be a male that you would want to aline yourself with. I’ll admit, I prefer to be around friendly alpha males compared to non alpha types or dickish alpha types. They are generaly good people with strong characters, and that strength translates back through you by association. You can see why I think this pheromone is hard to pin down. If it works the way I see it working it only creates a very tiny shift in pheromone signiture, but that shift works strongly on physchological perception. It’s kind of a ripple effect in a way." ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/14 "2007-08-10T17:06:11Z")
Wow I love your posts, cant give anymore rep to you, still… Do you all find p93 “relaxing” effect on women more powerful than androstadienone? ---
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Deleted post Capone thanks for your kind comments - I am not sure how to compare [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) 's relaxing effects to Androstadienone. My guess is that for some women Androstadienone makes them feel better and for others (like perhaps Nunya) P93 is better. In any case, at least P93 doesn’t seem to have the depressive side effect that Androstadienone has on many men. IMHO combining products like P93 , P74 , TAA and/orEstratetraenol would pretty much leave any woman calm and happy even if she is suffering with PMS. So Androstadienone may be dispensed with if you are one of the men who it ‘gets to’. Another facet of P93 is that it may be useful for getting people to do what you want (see below posts and bolded sentences). In that way it may be a great addition, for example to A314 , in a work mix. Again you can see the ‘no-fuss, task-orientated focusing’ effect (that was mentioned before by MHarris and Sunny) in Nunya’s post pasted in below. She calls it “git’erdone”-ness. That would be good for work as well of course. It might be a good addition also to P79 and TAF in the taking care of chores department (amongst other things) lol… Higher doses of A314 Nunya (April 5, 2007): "those of you who need to get people to do stuff, really need to try adding soem P93 to your A314 . I had tried this last week, in a combo with cleo - but I tried it again yesterday, and i used just 1 drop A314 and 25mcg P93 sprayed to my neck. I didn’t notice much but the usual self-effects until I had to go into some meetings with consultants with the rest of my team. I stayed quiet through most of the emotional, bitching part of the session, but when I did pipe up with my questions, people bent over backwards to address them, complimenting me on what i asked, really taking time to explian. That was interesting, but where things got really interesting were the afternoon session, which was less about bitching and more about constructive brainstorming on a specific tool we need to get. The entire group pretty much bent to my main desires whilst we were defining scope, and I felt quite comfortable stating what my deal-breakers were. The most interesting thing, considering the people in the room, was the air of cooperation, and teamwork. usually scope definition is a like herding cats. people are fixed on their specific ideas, people who’s input is vital have absolutely nothing to say, etc. this was really extraordinary. I’m chalking that up to the P93 - because i felt the same “git’erdone”-ness the last time i was wearing it. It’s a great adjunct for fostering a cooperative, win/win, engaged team environment. It’s the motivator." p93 redux vkat (July 5, 2007): “I’ve been playing with my p93. I’d used it in the past with what I thought were good results, but usually with other pheros. The last few days I have only used it with cops, which I always use, they are like a baseline with me now. Anyway, I am using 3-5 sprays (10mcg 30-50 mcg total) and reapplying 30 mcg about every four hours when out. Hair, neck, chest. I have really noticed that people are very friendly and seem to want to give me things or do things for me, much like people have described withTAH, only TAH never did that for me. I also notice my stress level is lower. I had to work over the holiday and they scheduled quite a bit for me, and I was very surly going in. Since I had to go meet some Asian students at a ballgame, I sprayed 5 sprays shortly before leaving. When I got there, the guy in the parking lot let me park free as I wasn’t staying for the whole game. Walking in, a mom whose kids wouldn’t go with her fell in beside me and gave me a ticket, although I was supposed to get in free, insisted I take it, in case there was some kind of problem. It really did save time as I would have had to walk a lot further to pick up my pass. All went fine with the students and when I went back to work, it was fine there too, even though I was on an extremely tight schedule with no backup. So, I wore it again today. 40mcg. Another very mellow day. People are kind and gentle with me. Although they call it “Asian Persuasion” I get the same effects with everyone. And they are very nice ones, I think. I think I’ll just keep going till I use up the bottle. I have a few days worth left. What I would state is that p93 definitely has a nice social effect, without turning me into a motormouth or making my brain fuzzy and it “gentles” me and others without the attempts to push me around that Tahcan have (on me - I’m one of those TAL people and that’s that, I guess.) I don’t notice the perceptual effects that others do, just how nice people are to me and how they seem to want to give me things. I like that. This is a very nice little phero, I think. I am under tremendous stress for a number of reasons this week so I think that makes it even more remarkable.” p93 redux vkat (July 2007): “…Thanks, nbully, that clears that up. I am continuing to wear the P93 alone and with other mixes that I am very familiar with (Instant shine,instant openness, instant sexi) usually 3-4 10mcg sprays and I am continuing to get the effect that it somehow seems to make me more “loveable” or “softer”, like TAH does for many others. It seems to increase magnetism for me and ups the effect of other pheros that do the same, likeInstant Shine. I would be really interested to know if any of the other ladies that have determined they definitely have a strong TAL signature have used p93 and how they thought it affected things, or if they would be willing to use it alone or with something they always use to see how it works. I will need at least another bottle or two to be sure, but it seems to give me the softening approachable effect of TAH without declaring me fair game for somebody’s aggression, which TAH seems to evoke when I wear it (especially with cops, yikes, never again). When I wear p93 people seem inclined to do things for me (another thing that doesn’t happen much in my life-usually people seem to expect me to do something for THEM) instead of TO me, lol. I have always been jealous of women who wear TAH with such great results and I think I might have something now that works that way for me. Of course one bottle and one set of experiences doesn’t prove anything. Still, I think I’m on to something and I want to try another bottle to see if this keeps happening.” ---
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Wow, great compilation of p93 effects again, thank you very much 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2007, 11:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/17 "2007-08-17T23:27:35Z")
Deleted post Yes I have to make a post sometime summarising all the effects of [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) , as many as can be gleaned from this thread. The ‘summary’ post I am talking about might be a useful addition to Quirk’s spreadsheet… One last additional effect of P93 is that it seems to enhance sex in some way… No time for experiments…(putatives) Need a solid mix by Friday. nbully79 (February 4, 2007): "…Visionary, I have tried P93 for few times now. With 3 sprays I was becoming very introspective (thinking too much about myself and life and such) and I didn’t like it. I am naturally very introspective and too much of it tends to bring me down, which is what happened with it. With 2 sprays I didn’t observe much. So I tried 1 spray recently and it surprised me. I posted the report on my blog. Here is the text: Today I tried P93 one spray only. I think it has an easygoing attraction vibe. 1 spray in the morning and 1 spray in the afternoon (12.5mcg/spray), both times to the back of head. In the morning met a lady with whom I had taken a class before, she was very talkative, approached me to talk (never did that before, she is normally very shy), asked lot of questions and was very friendly, volunteered lots of information about her son, got my phone number, touched me 2-3 times on hand while talking in a flirty way. In the afternoon met with friend who was in a sharing mode too, talked about his life when he was young, disclosed some private information, good conversation. It’s not without attention getting qualities. Got more than usual eye contact from women. People I met were more receptive and friendly. Some beta-nolish characteristics! Sex was good too!!" Pheros ever got you laid? tacitus (May 6, 2007): “…while P79,P83,P90,P93 all add some deep bodymind animal notes [during sex]…” P93’s ‘uplifting’ effects on women Sigma (August 2007): “…I’m not sure if P93 has made sex better for me (though I think it might have..not sure just yet), but it does seem to enhance after-sex bonding…as in a complete obliteration of personal space after sex. This tends to happen after really good sex too, so it might be a product of P93 making sex better? Just thinking outloud here.” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2007, 1:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/18 "2007-08-18T01:07:28Z")
Deleted post Anyone have any thoughts on the scent of [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) and/or how long it lasts? Anyone tried massive doses of P93 (like the 150 mcg that tacitus tried) - could more of this putative be better somehow at these doses (though it would definitely need to be strongly buffered by more ‘inviting’ molecules)? Who knows it may be more ‘sensual’ at the mega high doses… To my nose P93 doesn’t have the best scent to it so I am thinking it needs to be covered. Not sure how to describe the scent really - perhaps ‘heavy’. As for lasting on my skin - I get the feeling the unscented version that I have lasts for a solid 4 hours or a bit more. In that case, it seems to be one of the longer lasting putatives but not as long lasting as the ‘king’ molecule of slow diffusion, Androstenone . I haven’t yet tried massive doses of P93 (like 150 mcg ) as I have a full-size 5 mcg /spray bottle and don’t want to waste it all quickly. I did try 40 mcg once from memory and found the ‘mellowing, no fuss, task orientated’ effects of P93 very prominent even though I was wearing quite social products with it (I felt a little antisocial though but I can tend towards that anyway). In my opinion, if one was to try megadoses of thisputative , it would need to be buffered heavily by molecules like P74 , Alpha -Nol , and TAA for example. -Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 7:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/19 "2007-08-25T07:52:48Z")
Deleted post P93 seems to have a personal space reduction effect to it as well… MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (March 4, 2007): "…30 minutes after arival, HB A makes note of my “cologne” She tells me, “You smell good, REALY good! What are you wearing” I told her it was called ammunition (as the mx211 is ammo scented) and that she wouldn’t be able to find it. It was my secret, and I had modified the scent. She smelled me a couple of times and began to describe the scent as, “I realy like it. It’s not too sweet, and it’s not to…” She then made some hand jestures signifying a perfect balance and continued, “It’s…” I intergected and said, “captivating.” She agreed and smelled me again. I bring up the fragrance later to start up a conversation, and she said it was the first thing she noticed when she hugged me and loved it. She couldn’t say enough about how wonderful this stuff was, and agreed that I should keep it a secret. It would be to my benifit to not have other people wearing it. I’ve worn mx211 around HB A before and never recieved this results. I’m positive it was the mx201. It does something to the female brain that is truely facinating and fantastic… There didn’t seem to be any negative effects such as avoidance or the ghost effect, as long as the mx201 was lightly buffered. I don’t think usingmx201 as a solo would be as effective if not buffered. I didn’t see any type of agression. I didn’t notice much of a difference in my own actions/character. There may have been a little less need for personal, physical and conversational space, but that could have been a result of how I was treated by the group. I think I may have been less gaurded to sexual inuendo, but I don’t put much weight in that speculation. I’m very happy with mx201, and am glad I found my bottle as I lost it earlier today. " MX201/P93 in Action: Social/Sexual? toilofday (April 26, 2007): “…With women, I have notice that they are mildly uplifted. They seem to enjoy my presence. The first test I had there was a decrease in personal space with my female friends and so far I have notices reductions in space when wearing it in my normal mix. Then again there are other components in my mix that reduce space, like the 100mcg of taa oil. (hahahahha)…” [MX200](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx200/)-MX201 The Asian Persuasion?? pheroasian (May 16, 2007): "Ok here’s the latest report. Yesterday in the afternoon I used 4 Spray of MX201 - 1 on the neck, 1 on each wrist, 2 on the chest. Went out working as usual, lots of interaction but nobody notice anything different or getting any IOI’s. Then evening came, went out for dinner with another lady friend. before meeting her, used another 3 spray, 1 on the chest and 1 on each wrist. Stacking it, I was hoping on an OD effect - if it is possible with P93 Anyhow this lady is the type which is very conscious of personal space and also close to phobic on touching or body contact. If normal people sensitivity is a 5, she is and 8.5. Even though I may know her for quite some time. Cut the story short, there were no personal space at all when we went out. Accidently bump into her several times, she didnt even notice. And deliberately bump onto chest and butt, no reaction…as if nothing happen. Hmm perhaps MX201 is good at breaking personal space?" P93’s ‘uplifting’ effects on women Sigma (August 2007): “…I’m not sure if P93 has made sex better for me (though I think it might have..not sure just yet), but it does seem to enhance after-sex bonding…as in a complete obliteration of personal space after sex. This tends to happen after really good sex too, so it might be a product of P93 making sex better? Just thinking outloud here.” ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2007, 9:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865/21 "2007-08-25T09:02:15Z")
Deleted post Summary of P93 's effects (these will be put in PheroQuirk’s spreadsheet): ? mysterious ‘[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)-like’ closeness effects on women with a slightly more sexual/pronounced edge (toilofday, Sigma); ? has an uplifting, stress-reducing quality to it (a sense of well-being) particularly on women which can help them through a tough time and also helps them enjoy a wearer’s presence more (Nunya, Jasmin, vkat, toilofday, Sigma); ? useful at turning an Alpha/High Status phero signature into a more likable Alpha/High Status signature (toilofday, Gone with the Wind); ? can put people into a ‘no fuss, chilled out, task focused’ mindset (MHarris, Nunya, DJigit); ? this ‘no fuss, chilled out, task focused’ mindset can lead to a loss of patience of trivial things (MHarris, Sunny, tacitus); ? has an element of unapproachability about it which is possibly related to a high status/respect signal (toilofday, Nunya, steveo, tacitus); ? this unapproachability can be helped by adding ‘friendlier’ pheromones to it (toilofday); ? has a personal space reduction effect (toilofday, pheroasian, Sigma); ? moments of male bonding/sharing of revealing personal information (toilofday, nbully79); ? Creates an ‘I get you vibe’ - a general understanding of who a person is without really knowing them at all (toilofday); ? general friendliness from people (vkat, Nunya, nbully79); ? can help to get people to do unsolicited things for the wearer/bend to wearer’s desires (vkat, Nunya); and ? useful for sex/after-sex bonding (Sigma, tacitus, nbully79). [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865.md?page=2)