# Paranoid About ODing... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583 "2011-01-14T04:30:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/1 "2011-01-14T04:30:43Z")
I have a couple of questions here regarding ODing on None. I’m in my mid 20s, workout often, athletic, take tribulus, etc… but I’m don’t act alpha that much when I go out. I wanted to use some -none products to help a bit with attraction, but I’m always too scared to OD on it. I notice I get nice looks when I wear A314, IG, and IO. But recently I decided to replace the A314 with AMMO (because I like the younger girls more and didn’t want to intimidate). I find whenever I wear 1 spray of AMMO though I get absolutely nothing. It’s the same as when I use TUTH in the club, I turn into an instant ghost. How is it possible with just 1 spray? Or maybe on the other hand, I’m not using ENOUGH none? I just want a bit of sexual attraction without instantly ODing and ruining my whole day/night. Given my profile, am I high risk for instant OD? ---
**Author:** ![mongoose87](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mongoose87/32/1610_2.png) [@mongoose87](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mongoose87)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/2 "2011-01-14T04:35:08Z")
> [@masu](#): > > I have a couple of questions here regarding ODing on None. > > I’m in my mid 20s, workout often, athletic, take tribulus, etc… but I’m don’t act alpha that much when I go out. I wanted to use some -none products to help a bit with attraction, but I’m always too scared to OD on it. > > I notice I get nice looks when I wear A314, IG, and IO. But recently I decided to replace the A314 with AMMO (because I like the younger girls more and didn’t want to intimidate). I find whenever I wear 1 spray of AMMO though I get absolutely nothing. > > It’s the same as when I use TUTH in the club, I turn into an instant ghost. How is it possible with just 1 spray? Or maybe on the other hand, I’m not using ENOUGH none? I just want a bit of sexual attraction without instantly ODing and ruining my whole day/night. Given my profile, am I high risk for instant OD? The word around here is that TUTH isn’t appropriate for attraction. Its more of a friendly nudge in the right direction once you’ve already established attraction and the basics of a relationship with someone. If one shot of AMMO didn’t work, try 2. Until you do proper “Sweet Spot” testing (check Steve’s sticky\*), you’re not going to know where your limits are. And the fact you’ve been ghosted already means you won’t lose much by ODing. Those who dare… \*that sounds dirty. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/3 "2011-01-14T04:39:20Z")
I remember reading something that said it’s BEST to OD once so you know what it’s like. I will try that tomorrow I guess. I will try 1 spray AMMO x2, maybe buffered with some other things. i don’t know if the buffers lessen the OD though… ---
**Author:** ![bestintel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bestintel/32/1883_2.png) [@bestintel](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bestintel)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 4:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/4 "2011-01-14T04:41:56Z")
I would not say your at high risk. I would not suggest using TUTH until you know you are going to get some, it is high in none which would explain why you are ghosting. Have you tested your sweet spot for these products or are you just spraying them on? This is very important and if you have not tested your sweet spot then your wasting product and your money. If you have found your sweet spot then try this mix out I think ammo is the way to go at your age. I would try to mix 1-2 sprays of ammo and 1-2 sprays of IO. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 4:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/5 "2011-01-14T04:47:18Z")
I haven’t actually tested my sweet spot, I just spray usually 1 spray of a none product and then observe, and usually all the observations have been neutral so far (as in no looks). I want to try spraying a ton of mones on at once to get a universal vibe (IO, AMMO, IS, IG, IJ, IH, some A1) ---
**Author:** ![bestintel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bestintel/32/1883_2.png) [@bestintel](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bestintel)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 4:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/6 "2011-01-14T04:53:42Z")
> [@masu](#): > > I haven’t actually tested my sweet spot, I just spray usually 1 spray of a none product and then observe, and usually all the observations have been neutral so far (as in no looks). > > I want to try spraying a ton of mones on at once to get a universal vibe (IO, AMMO, IS, IG, IJ, IH, some A1) I honestly think if you try throwing out to many signals at once people are going to ghost you. They look at you and do not know what to think and they end up ignoring you. I’m not trying to put you down I have tried it many times before and crashed in burned, but have fun experimenting. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/7 "2011-01-14T04:57:09Z")
Thanks smelly, I always wondered what would happen if you put out too many sigs at once. If you could attract all different types of girls? or if the mones would just cancel each other out? or if they did in fact just cause people to ignore you. I want to try some of my IJ on it’s own, but i hear that’s HEAVY NONE, and if i’m ODing with just one spray of AMMO, imagine what IJ would do? I guess I’ll try spraying a bit more AMMO, I need to save my A314 for work. ---
**Author:** ![mongoose87](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mongoose87/32/1610_2.png) [@mongoose87](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mongoose87)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/8 "2011-01-14T05:02:42Z")
> [@masu](#): > > Thanks smelly, > > I always wondered what would happen if you put out too many sigs at once. If you could attract all different types of girls? or if the mones would just cancel each other out? or if they did in fact just cause people to ignore you. > > I want to try some of my IJ on it’s own, but i hear that’s HEAVY NONE, and if i’m ODing with just one spray of AMMO, imagine what IJ would do? I guess I’ll try spraying a bit more AMMO, I need to save my A314 for work. IIRC, wearing too many products at once sends a confusing signature to anyone approaching you. You can seem intimidating, and approachable. Alpha, and beta. Lively and sedate… Understandably people would be a little confused talking to you… ---
**Author:** ![Noble](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noble/32/1768_2.png) [@Noble](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Noble)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 5:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/9 "2011-01-14T05:13:36Z")
> [@mongoose87](#): > > IIRC, wearing too many products at once sends a confusing signature to anyone approaching you. You can seem intimidating, and approachable. Alpha, and beta. Lively and sedate… Understandably people would be a little confused talking to you… Hahaha, yeah, I guess it’d be sort of like being God and the Devil at the same time. People just end up confused. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![phaseshift](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@phaseshift](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phaseshift)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/10 "2011-01-14T05:26:06Z")
I’m 23 and here are my results with just using ammo 1x stregnth: 1 spray of AMMO = NO HITS 2 sprays = Good Hits 3 sprays = Amazing hits 2 sprays of AMMO + 3 sprays of IShine = good mix 3 sprays of AMMO + 3 sprays of IShine = good if not slightly better than 2 sprays. 2 sprays of AMMO + 3 sprays of IShine + 3 sprays of IO = A table of 6 caucasian women staring me down and smiling which lead to me getting one of the brunettes to txt me the next day. Not even one word spoken to any of these women except for me walking outside the restaurant and saying “i think one of you left this behind” (was a napkin with my name and number). THEN I GTFO lol you can read up on this in my journal. side note: I am still in testing, but I haven’t noticed any ODs ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 5:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/11 "2011-01-14T05:26:49Z")
> [@masu](#): > > Thanks smelly, > > I always wondered what would happen if you put out too many sigs at once. If you could attract all different types of girls? or if the mones would just cancel each other out? or if they did in fact just cause people to ignore you. > > I want to try some of my IJ on it’s own, but i hear that’s HEAVY NONE, and if i’m ODing with just one spray of AMMO, imagine what IJ would do? I guess I’ll try spraying a bit more AMMO, I need to save my A314 for work. In my opinion, TuTH is more -none heavy than IJ even though IJ has technically more -none (like 2.5mcg vs 15mcg?) With IJ, I didn’t seem to get a ghosting effect (this was about 5 sprays from a to go). Most of the interactions I’ve experience was pleasant or normal (I didn’t act ultra alpha or anything) ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/12 "2011-01-14T18:28:00Z")
Well I have read some of the older posts here. In one there are some questions about OD’ing. The question is whether you are truly overdosing or if you just can’t pull off the signature in the particular situation you are in. I have read some reports where a person used 4 sprays of AMMO and appeared to have OD while in a club. So what did they do? They sprayed on more AMMO and got attacked by women. I think there is a sticking point. Gegoi or however you spell his name, wrote a post about ODing early in his mone use with another product. It was an obvious OD. The girl he was with was really bitchy and angry. Yet she was extremely turned on and once again he got laid. So I wouldn’t sweat the OD. Don’t be afraid to test. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/13 "2011-01-17T03:56:26Z")
An OD is not ALL women rejecting you. It is not an on/off switch for everyone. As you increase your signature, from none to light to heavy, certain women will, first, notice, then respond positively, then respond negatively (ie OD). The great thing is that women who are primed will respond VERY positively to heavier doses. Yes, you can turn off the ambivalent with heavier doses, but you can excite the women ready and eager sexually for a man. A heavy dose of none sorts out the “hard-to-get” from the “ready-to-roll.” Yes, younger girls have a steeper response curve, as do Asians. Hispanics and blacks have a stronger response to higher doses. Women ovulating have a strong positive response while women PMSing can have a very negative response to light doses. So, figure out what the women you WANT to respond and how you want them to respond and dose accordingly. You will have to do field testing and chose your venues. For example, if I were to go to a pro ice hockey game on a full moon in a town with a large population of Hispanic women, I’d spread the none on heavily. Of course, I’d try not to get into any fights with drunk guys. Besides, a definite OD reaction is NOT the end of the world. It takes balls to deal with women the way men want to deal with them. If you’re too scared of a negative social reaction, you don’t have what it takes to be successful. ---
**Author:** ![masu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/fbc32d/32.png) [@masu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/masu)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/14 "2011-01-17T04:35:50Z")
Thanks for the replies everyone. I think I will be less scared to use my -none products now. One more quick question though: I shower every only 2nd day, so sometimes my mones from the previous day are still on me (not usually more than a few sprays of IO/IS/IG, and 1 drop of A314). If everything breaks down into -none, would there still be a significant amount on me the next day to disrupt mixes? or does it lose it’s affect by then? I have wondered this for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 10:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/paranoid-about-oding/44583/15 "2011-01-17T10:14:58Z")
I think a lot of people get scared about Oding. Its kinda of a scary phrase in its self. Dont think of it like “Over Dosed” think of it like “Opposite of Desired” effect. Its not some horrible experience or event like you read in the papers when some one OD’s. Anone OD can cause a few different possibilities but in most cases nothing occurs. No attraction, no rejection its like any other day. Sometimes people get a little irritated because its evoking negative emotions. As Josie pointed out you can feel both agitated and turned on at the same time. I once used to much TUTH myself when testing and let me tell you I turned into the horniest bitch on the planet. I backed my husband into a corner and if he didnt “give it up” he was in big trouble LOL. You wont know until you test. Just remember if you wear it and its not working out for you because you wore to much a bathroom is always close by and you can just remove some. We dont use the phrase OD much with other products that do not contain anone. You can use to much but it just causes a different effect. For instance IH. For me and many others I have compared notes with if you use 3 to 5 sprays of regular strength IH people connect more with you, open up more… It evokes a deeper more meaningful connection. It can increase feelings of intimacy. If I use 3 to 5 sprays of 4X IH its a whole other ball game. People tell me shit I just dont want to know. No one wants to hear about the boil on some strangers ass (in detail) when your riding the elevator or how his/her father wears his mothers underwear. It doesn’t make them (the targets) uncomfortable it makes you uncomfortable. Or IO for instance. I am a world class talker. I get teased at work about it a lot because I talk so much. Its just my nature when around those I am comfortable with. If I dont know you I am a bit more reserved but I will still talk to and approach people I dont know. If I wear 3 to 5 sprays of IO people open up more. They are more receptive to me and friendly. They approach me more. If I use 3 to 5 sprays of 4X two things occur they wont shut the hell up and become annoying to me or they zone out like they are high on something. Ishine is like a light bulb that flares to bright when you use to much. It just burns out quicker. So you see its not all bad effects to be scared of unless of course hairy ass boils scare you LOL (snort) > [@Masu](#): > > I want to try spraying a ton of mones on at once to get a universal vibe (IO, AMMO, IS, IG, IJ, IH, some A1) Most likely nothing will happen except you may smell funky. Its like being in a really crowded room where everyone is speaking to you all at once. Your brain can’t process all that noise so it zones it all out. To many masculine products at once can be ineffective as well. Wearing IJ IG A314 and TUTH all at once is just looking for a OD or a confrontation with other males. It can come across as two masculine to women, To forward or predatory, to demanding, to aggressive etc etc… Even to much of a good thing can turn it bad. I find its best for men to pick 1 or 2 masculines and work around that with other type mixes or putatives. > [@](#): > > I shower every only 2nd day, so sometimes my mones from the previous day are still on me (not usually more than a few sprays of IO/IS/IG, and 1 drop of A314). If everything breaks down into -none, would there still be a significant amount on me the next day to disrupt mixes? or does it lose it’s affect by then? [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) work best on a clean canvas. Most likely most of the spray molecules will be gone although some anone can stick. A314 is oil based and sticks around longer. You also have the issue of smell. Bacteria that lives on the body can convert pheromones to other pheromones and create quite a bit of bad body odor in the process. You may want to shower daily. If you cant then some witch hazel on a cotton ball rubbed over your application points will help freshen the canvas more. Tisha