# Perfect 10 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 15, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661 "2007-07-15T15:23:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/1 "2007-07-15T15:23:46Z")
Any one heard of this perfect 10 pheromen, allegedly gauranteed to be the strongest pheromone legally allowed…??? Being new to [pheromones](https://a314.com/), i am just curious and open minded to such claims. i have stocked up allready on quite a few products from here. So i am not interested in buying but more interested in if such a claim can be substantiated through testimonials and if Androtics plans to stock this in the future? So any one who has used it or known some one who used it i would like to hear from you. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/2 "2007-07-15T15:37:54Z")
If it’s the one at the other place, it should be the most potent as much as it cost! Some there have sworn by it, but the price tag is what stops most from trying it, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/3 "2007-07-15T15:50:36Z")
also less can be more most times… ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 4:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/4 "2007-07-15T16:51:57Z")
I Googled it and found this on the manufacturer’s website. > [@](#): > > It is 100% GUARANTEED to contain only genuine human pheromones with a guaranteed content of 6mg of androstenone, 3 mg of androstenol, and 1-mg of androsterone - more than ANY other! It looks like a good mix of standard pheromones. Should be easy to duplicate the ratios with common Androtics products probably already on your shelf or experimones. I’m puzzled by their statements > [@](#): > > Also note that Perfect Ten has highest concentration allowed by law. and > [@](#): > > A GUARANTEED whopping 6mg of Androstenone, 3mg of Androstenol, and 1mg of Androsterone are combined with only the purest ethanol available to produce the highest pheromone concentration legally available ANYWHERE! This is our answer to those who claim to have a stronger product - you won’t find ANY other product with a GUARANTEED concentration as high as Perfect Ten - we GUARANTEE IT! as their 10 ml of solution in ethanol works out to 1 mg/ml, which is equivalent to many commercially available products. I did some digging on their website and came up with this, which seems to be a bit of fast talking. Perhaps if it has some meaning I don’t understand someone here can clarify. > [@](#): > > **Taken directly from the backing card inside a package of Androstenone Pheromone ConcentrateTM purchased wholesale directly from the factory in December 2001:** > [photo omitted] > First, keep in mind that androstenone is technically chemically classified as a STEROID. Then read carefully! If APC contains less than 0.0225 milligrams per Liter of steroids, then it doesn’t contain more than 0.0225 milligrams per Liter of Androstenone! We never bash the competition, but we do feel it necessary to point out such a gross misrepresentation - “concentrate” this is not. In fact, if you do the math, you will find that our LOWEST concentrated product (PPA), is actually over 6000 TIMES as CONCENTRATED! Don’t believe it? Do the math: Our PPA is 0.015% by weight in a 15-mL bottle. Therefore, each bottle of PPA contains 2.25 milligrams of Androstenone. Now, since the bottle is only 15-mL, it takes 66 bottles to make up a Liter of product. Multiply 2.25 milligrams per bottle times 66 bottles, and you get roughly 140 milligrams PER LITER. Now divide 140 milligrams per Liter by APC’s 0.0225 milligrams per Liter, and you come up with about 6666 times LESS pheromones in APC compared to PPA! The apparent reason for this is simple: As you can read for yourself in the first line of the fine print, APC is classified as a FRAGRANCE - NOT a pheromone sex attractant. We may not have pretty clamshell packaging with colored backer cards, but we do have PHEROMONES in our products! ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/5 "2007-07-15T17:25:35Z")
[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) v3? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 5:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/6 "2007-07-15T17:57:30Z")
> [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > I Googled it and found this on the manufacturer’s website. > > It looks like a good mix of standard pheromones. > > Should be easy to duplicate the ratios with common Androtics products probably already on your shelf or experimones. > > I’m puzzled by their statements > > and > > as their 10 ml of solution in ethanol works out to 1 mg/ml, which is equivalent to many commercially available products. > > I did some digging on their website and came up with this, which seems to be a bit of fast talking. Perhaps if it has some meaning I don’t understand someone here can clarify. First, P10 has been out for a loooooooooong while, and at that time, it may have been, and could still be the most potent, IF it’s per drop, yes? In your second reading, it’s strictly talking about APC, which to me, is nothing more than a nice scent with a tad bit of pheromones in it, and PPA. Neither can/could touch P10 at the time, nor now. With everyone trying to improve to make sales, who knows what’s really going on? 😕 Just my 2.2 cents … nothing more. 😛 I agree with you 1234, P10 is an AMMO/Alter Ego on roids. ---
**Author:** ![XDragonX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/6f9a4e/32.png) [@XDragonX](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XDragonX)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/7 "2007-07-15T18:53:56Z")
they are lieing their asses off. There is no limit to how much pheros can be placed in a bottle because pheros are considered a cosmetics product and are therefore unlimited. You don’t see a law limiting how much hair gel people can use or how much agarose can be placed in gel so yea they are completely scamming you with that fact. you can recreate what they have in their mixes quite easily and androtics has more pheros in their products. look at their putatives you can order over 1000mcg per bottle so yea ---
**Author:** ![gitsmw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@gitsmw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gitsmw)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 8:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/8 "2007-07-15T20:03:43Z")
Sounds like scamsville, honestly. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/9 "2007-07-16T00:27:13Z")
I don’t think it’s a scam, but definitely targeted towards novices. The price though is totally unjustified. ---
**Author:** ![DrSmellThis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@DrSmellThis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrSmellThis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/10 "2007-07-16T00:30:05Z")
In no way is anything about P10 a scam, as long as its not a fake version sold from a scam website. It’s best to buy it at love-scent. – Made by Stone Labs, who make Alter Ego, chem lab pheromones, and EW, among other products. – It’s not a ripoff price when you do the numbers. You can get your own 50% alcohol and extend it to make lots of product. – at twice the strongest product, Primal Instinct, at the time, they had every right to make those claims. – There were a lot of rumors going around at the time about the legal status of pheromones, and it was not unheard of for it to be taken by customs. So I don’t know what they were referring to about legal limits. – P10 was developed in response to customer requests at Love-Scent for the most powerful mix for getting women. – The idea that no more could be dissolved was just an honest mistake resulting from the fact that they were only using 50% ethanol, and a miscommunication around that between Stone and Love-Scent. Some chemical did precipitate out at higher strengths becauser of the water. – People who can wear high -none get great results with P10, because of the “old school” ratio. It’s an agressive, sexual mix, and a legit approach, theoretically. There is a reason why those ratios were where they are. ---
**Author:** ![DrSmellThis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@DrSmellThis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrSmellThis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 12:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/11 "2007-07-16T00:39:58Z")
In no way is anything about P10 a scam, as long as its not a fake version sold from a scam website. – Made by Stone Labs, who make Alter Ego, chem lab pheromones, and EW, among other products. – at twice the strongest product, Primal Instinct, at the time, they had every right to make those claims. – There were a lot of rumors going around at the time about the legal status of pheromones, and it was not unheard of for it to be taken by customs. So I don’t know what they were referring to about legal limits. P10 was developed in response to customer requests at Love-Scent for the most powerful mix for getting women. – The idea that no more could be dissolved was just an honest mistake resulting from the fact that they were only using 50% ethanol, and a miscommunication around that between Stone and Love-Scent. Some chemical did precipitate out at higher strengths becauser of the water. – People who can wear high -none get great results with P10, because of the “old school” ratio. It’s an agressive, sexual mix, and a legit approach, theoretically. There is a reason why those ratios were where they are. ---
**Author:** ![DrSmellThis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@DrSmellThis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DrSmellThis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/12 "2007-07-16T00:55:53Z")
Test… ---
**Author:** ![gitsmw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@gitsmw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gitsmw)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 1:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/13 "2007-07-16T01:07:16Z")
Interesting. Well, the manner of speech is very akin to those annoying informercials and scam products, and I generally avoid everything like that. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/14 "2007-07-16T02:18:06Z")
Thanks for the info andclearing all that up, Doc. Your word is as good as gold. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/15 "2007-07-16T20:59:15Z")
Would be interesting a review if someone’s has tested it, is there any? i’ll search in LS. ---
**Author:** ![ProtoJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@ProtoJay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ProtoJay)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/16 "2007-07-16T21:18:31Z")
My questtion is that 1000mcg = 1mg of [pheromone](https://a314.com/), that much of any none-based pheromone is likely to be way too much and cause an instant OD… Why would you want such a high dose for anything but experimental purposes or for diluting down… ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/17 "2007-07-16T21:57:12Z")
> [@ProtoJay](#): > > … Why would you want such a high dose for anything but experimental purposes or for diluting down… Exactly!!😃 The instructions that came with it when I bought it from Stone Labs (before I discovered LS and here) said 2 sprays into your closet and you would be set for a week.😮 ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 3:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/18 "2007-07-19T15:43:25Z")
Is there even a law that limits how much of a pheromone you can put in a product? ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 7:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/perfect-10/4661/19 "2007-07-20T07:18:35Z")
> [@changazn](#): > > Is there even a law that limits how much of a pheromone you can put in a product? So far I don’t know yet…but if somebody blame pheromones for the crime that he/she has commited, then I guess the law makers will come in!😃