# Pet Peeve **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 6, 2010, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768 "2010-12-06T03:56:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 8:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/21 "2010-12-06T08:34:13Z")
> [@whs06c](#): > > Probably in the U.S. this might be strong, but what about testing done in the actual land where interracial coupling is very low, thus leading variation to personality? For example the Asian population found in a major U.S. city would be totally different from an Asian population found in a major Japanese city. > > Could this mean generalization (to some extent) be more effective on the latter instead of the former? And if so, shouldn’t testing be done there to get some sort of result (like Asian women are a bit more sensitive to the -none) ? I do find that viable. Problem is how will you actually test this with chinese,koreans, vietnamese, and japanese. In China we have somewhere around 40-60 sub ethnicities among ourselves with vocal language differences. Many of these are extinct today but I would tell you right now at least 6-10 of them still exist. Not to mention you have differences between Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese in terms of height and general IQ. These sort of aspects are applicable to all asian countries and these sub cultures will have their own impact. Going back to what your saying though in order to do this sort of testing you need a native from over there thats very knowledgeable of the language of that particular country. Yes someone from here could learn it to some fair degree but in terms of learning it to the extent of being able to flirt and initiate closer interaction with women and being able to gauge them through their own language response would be very difficult. Im a non speaking chinese and I can tell you first hand that all asian languages are gonna be hella hard for anyone here to take up. All of our languages are more tonality based and sentence structure is simple but complex at the same time. We dont have grammar rules like english does but we have our own system of things. Yes, I’ve been to China with mones and I could tell a few stories of “hits” but you know theres no conclusiveness to hits without follow up. Hits in other countries are about as good as watching the stars without a telescope. There nice to see but it ends right there without any further evaluation. If you know the language thats completely different but most platforms around the world are gonna expect you to know a language completely out of grasp of your own. Androstenone CAN and DOES work on asian women over there but in the right proportions though. I’m still a believer that any woman in the States will be much more receptive candidate of enone when it comes the to Asian culture exclusively. I experienced a lot of the same nervousness and shyness from girls when I used too much enone over there though. I can tell you right now that Chinese chics love socials with a slight enone sig. Thats what worked best for me and Im supposed to be a low enone producer as a Asian man myself. ---
**Author:** ![whs06c](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whs06c/32/2142_2.png) [@whs06c](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/whs06c)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 8:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/22 "2010-12-06T08:55:56Z")
> [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > Yes someone from here could learn it to some fair degree but in terms of learning it to the extent of being able to flirt and initiate closer interaction with women and being able to gauge them through their own language response would be very difficult. The culture is very different too. I’d see many cases where A314-like behavior would benefit greatly stateside, but would actually hinder one’s progress somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 3:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/23 "2010-12-06T15:02:13Z")
How did a pet peeve thread turn into a philisophical and theory thread? Honestly I have found that blondes, at least in my case, are more sensitive to mones. All mones! Which is really annoying for me because I don’t really like blondes. Nature vs nurture. Exposure to certain pheromones at the right time in a girl’s life may affect their preference in men. I read somewhere, and I’m not looking it up right now, that girls who are raised without their biological father’s in the home or under a stepfather enter puberty earlier than girls raised in the same home as their father with less exposure to other men. In fact it appears that exposure to other men may be an important factor in increasing the hormones needed for women to begin puberty. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/24 "2010-12-06T15:08:33Z")
> [@whs06c](#): > > The culture is very different too. I’d see many cases where A314-like behavior would benefit greatly stateside, but would actually hinder one’s progress somewhere else. With A314 and the right social mix you could theoretically clean house in Asia. It’s all about accentuating the right qualities without making a sig go in too many directions or drowning out the main signal. RAD has the right idea when it comes to this part of usage. I actually think as sucky and gawd awful P90 A314 has been for the lot of us who have tried it I actually think I could go back to China and do well with it. I hate this sucker but I’ve actually gotten hits with it on its own so it cant be “completely” bad considering Mharris’s thought process when he came up with this brain child. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 3:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/25 "2010-12-06T15:13:33Z")
With the right mix could one become the Emporer of China? Wouldn’t that be interesting. If I went to Norway with a bunch of [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) would they think that I’m a Norse God come to life? What mones attract blue haired women? I’ve always been curious about that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/26 "2010-12-06T15:20:45Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > How did a pet peeve thread turn into a philisophical and theory thread? > > Honestly I have found that blondes, at least in my case, are more sensitive to mones. All mones! Which is really annoying for me because I don’t really like blondes. > > Nature vs nurture. Exposure to certain pheromones at the right time in a girl’s life may affect their preference in men. I read somewhere, and I’m not looking it up right now, that girls who are raised without their biological father’s in the home or under a stepfather enter puberty earlier than girls raised in the same home as their father with less exposure to other men. In fact it appears that exposure to other men may be an important factor in increasing the hormones needed for women to begin puberty. Hopless made a comment then I made a comment. Thats pretty much how it started on the road of philly and theory 🆒 I second the blondes thing. I’ve always had favorable reactions with them in terms of “affecting”. I dont know why but I attract latina’s the most when I wear mones. Its annoying to me because that isnt the type of girl I want even though they are the most attractive to me. See now that could actually be useful. If we were to ever run into a girl like that, that we tried to have more intimate relations with we’d have to approach it from a different angle pheromonally. Thing I would ask is what if the daughter had lots of men around her her whole life? Father, Much older cousins, Uncles, a slew of old family friends that are male. Would that be considered “exposure” to other men? I suppose you could also factor in what would be the ramifications of a girl beginning puberty earlier than her peers. Is it just a development thing? Or will it become one of the many factors that are expressed in our pheromone usage? ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/27 "2010-12-06T15:26:35Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > With the right mix could one become the Emporer of China? Wouldn’t that be interesting. If I went to Norway with a bunch of P93 would they think that I’m a Norse God come to life? > > What mones attract blue haired women? I’ve always been curious about that. 🙂 Are we talking Pre communism emperor of China or I have to run away and flee into obscurity because Mao Zedong will get me emperor of China 😉 Talk a good game, Show that your knowledgeable yet strong and wear A314 and you could be emperor of China 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/28 "2010-12-06T15:30:28Z")
Dude, chinese people don’t shower that often. Like french, they have a very strong phero sig, albeit high rone. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/29 "2010-12-06T15:31:45Z")
At least the ones in China are notorious for it. Even japanese, other east asian specie, didn’t like their body odor ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/30 "2010-12-06T15:53:15Z")
> [@CoolKat](#): > > At least the ones in China are notorious for it. Even japanese, other east asian specie, didn’t like their body odor ??? LOL! Trying to find CoolKat’s filter… Where is the filter mone?? I can’t find the filter mone!! Dude what are you talking about? East Asian Species? You do bring up one point that I wonder if it gets discussed here. How much stronger would mone signatures have been before bathing became so important in hygeine? Is it possible that races that prefer higher -none signatures are used to higher -none because they come from warmer climates causing more sweat and higher dispersion? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/31 "2010-12-06T15:55:26Z")
I addressed this in the “blond” topic as there could be a difference between genetic blonds and bottle blonds. The difference not only being from where in the gene pool they come from but also in terms of personality. A natural blond is blond by chance, a bottle blond by choice and the personality traits that led to that choice could be an indicator of sexuality and tendencies to respond to certain pheromones. I would imagine the same could be said of women who tend toward being naturally large breasted vs women with implants. Usually long term cosmetic changes are attempts at gaining attention of a sexual variety and would as a result imply a sex drive that is more none responsive regardless of original traits. This goes in line with the point about American women of Asian decent being more likely to be None responsive than Asian women born and raised in Asian countries. Upbringing, religion, social norms and worldview will effect perceptions of what has value. With regards to brunettes…given the percentage of the population that has dark hair and how dark hair crosses all ethnic lines, it’s a pretty vague question at that point. Asians, Latin, Black, Middle Eastern, even the majority of White Europeans tend toward dark hair. It’s like asking for a laser focused mix that will effect something like (combining black and brown hair) 80% of the population. In the end it’s pretty silly, unless you live someplace fairly isolated with a homogeneous population such specifically targeted mixes (if they’re even realistically possible) would tend to repel women other than the target. Far better is to figure what type of mix will work with the more attractive elements of your personality for “across the board” attraction. For example, I see a large number of young White women and young Asian women that date outside of their respective races. White women that date Black men, and Asian women that date White men and to a lesser extent Black men. In all cases given the tendencies for high None signatures to repel young women, and Asian women these couplings should not occur as often as they do…yet there you are. I think since in most cases the natural mone signature is congruent with the mans personality the confidence and assertiveness associated with the higher None sig is there and THAT is attractive. I’ve not tried using IJ on asian women yet but I’m confident that I could pull it off given the successes I’ve had with them and the loud, boisterous gaijin is actually quite effective. I think once you figure out what your attractive personality traits are and how to convey them a mix that supports that will be attractive in most cases regardless of hair color and race. Yes there will always be tendencies but they’re just that…tendencies and those can be overcome. I have no doubts that a man can attract a middle aged black cougar with IG as easily he could attract an 18 year old Japanese exchange student with IJ+TuTH. The three key points to remember is 90% you/10% mones Congruence is always key on a 1-10 scale of hit intensity (10 being the fabled “Axe Effect”) Level 6 hits with 90% of women over level 10 hits with 10% any day. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/32 "2010-12-06T16:34:52Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > ??? LOL! Trying to find CoolKat’s filter… > Where is the filter mone?? I can’t find the filter mone!! > > Dude what are you talking about? East Asian Species? > > You do bring up one point that I wonder if it gets discussed here. How much stronger would mone signatures have been before bathing became so important in hygeine? Is it possible that races that prefer higher -none signatures are used to higher -none because they come from warmer climates causing more sweat and higher dispersion? - n.\*, _plural._, species. - _Biology_. 1. A fundamental category of taxonomic classification, ranking below a genus or subgenus and consisting of related organisms capable of interbreeding. Might not be feasible to mate with other east asians cause they’re from another species 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/33 "2010-12-06T16:38:31Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > - > > n.\*, _plural._, species. > > - _Biology_. > > 1. A fundamental category of taxonomic classification, ranking below a genus or subgenus and consisting of related organisms capable of interbreeding. > > Might not be feasible to mate with other east asians cause they’re from another species 😃 Darnit now I’m gonna have to go home to my country that really isnt my country that is twice removed my home land and learn a language I dont know so I can procreate with my East Asian species counterparts!?!!?! O well at least I know now before I get married to a girl outside my species. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2010, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/34 "2010-12-06T17:15:31Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > I addressed this in the “blond” topic as there could be a difference between genetic blonds and bottle blonds. The difference not only being from where in the gene pool they come from but also in terms of personality. A natural blond is blond by chance, a bottle blond by choice and the personality traits that led to that choice could be an indicator of sexuality and tendencies to respond to certain pheromones. > I would imagine the same could be said of women who tend toward being naturally large breasted vs women with implants. Usually long term cosmetic changes are attempts at gaining attention of a sexual variety and would as a result imply a sex drive that is more none responsive regardless of original traits. This goes in line with the point about American women of Asian decent being more likely to be None responsive than Asian women born and raised in Asian countries. Upbringing, religion, social norms and worldview will effect perceptions of what has value. > > With regards to brunettes…given the percentage of the population that has dark hair and how dark hair crosses all ethnic lines, it’s a pretty vague question at that point. Asians, Latin, Black, Middle Eastern, even the majority of White Europeans tend toward dark hair. It’s like asking for a laser focused mix that will effect something like (combining black and brown hair) 80% of the population. > > In the end it’s pretty silly, unless you live someplace fairly isolated with a homogeneous population such specifically targeted mixes (if they’re even realistically possible) would tend to repel women other than the target. Far better is to figure what type of mix will work with the more attractive elements of your personality for “across the board” attraction. For example, I see a large number of young White women and young Asian women that date outside of their respective races. White women that date Black men, and Asian women that date White men and to a lesser extent Black men. In all cases given the tendencies for high None signatures to repel young women, and Asian women these couplings should not occur as often as they do…yet there you are. I think since in most cases the natural mone signature is congruent with the mans personality the confidence and assertiveness associated with the higher None sig is there and THAT is attractive. > I’ve not tried using IJ on asian women yet but I’m confident that I could pull it off given the successes I’ve had with them and the loud, boisterous gaijin is actually quite effective. > > . Interesting theories Radman. I was thinking about the mixed race dating and marriages when I posted earlier. My wife is caucasian and I’m black. She has dated multiple races since she was in highschool. From what I have heard all of the caucasians she dated were beta and the blacks and one asian she dated were all Alpha’s with high -none sigs. Well that’s my understanding from how she describes the relationships. The other interesting this is her father was at times violent when she was a child and could definitely be called an aggressive male. Possibly high -none sig as well. I don’t know, I didn’t know him back then. He seems pretty soft these days. So I’m wondering how her relationship with him and then dating the only black guy in her school may have affected what she considered attractive. > [@P51Mustang](#): > > _n._, _plural._, species. > [ul] > [li]_Biology_.[ol][/li][li]A fundamental category of taxonomic classification, ranking below a genus or subgenus and consisting of related organisms capable of interbreeding.[/li][/ul] > [/ol] > > Might not be feasible to mate with other east asians cause they’re from another species 😃 > [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > Darnit now I’m gonna have to go home to my country that really isnt my country that is twice removed my home land and learn a language I dont know so I can procreate with my East Asian species counterparts!?!!?! > > O well at least I know now before I get married to a girl outside my species. You too are hilarious. I had stomache pains after reading this. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 5:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/35 "2010-12-07T05:54:25Z")
That’s a slippery slope there man. I get what you’re saying but I reject that based on the possibility that the wrong kind of person can twist that around to try and argue that “white women who date black men are emotionally damaged” or some such nonsense like that. I know it’s not what you’re saying but I’m sure you can see how a fucked up enough person might try and make an argument like that. Nevermind that fact that most men that are abusers from what I can tell tend to be quite beta…or even omega in their regular lives. Which is why they become abusive in the first place. They feel no control over anything in their lives. They may feel threatened or intimidated by other men, made to feel weak or insignificant so they lash out and assert themselves on the one person that usually isn’t strong enough to fight back…their woman. Doesn’t sound like an A314 or IJ kind of man with testosterone flowing through his veins by the gallon to me. The fact is that once abusive histories are entered into the equation all bets are off. I’ve seen/heard studies where they claim that people raised in abusive households tend to have a knack for finding abusive partners subconsciously. On the flip side I’ve heard of almost as many studies that indicate people will go to such an extreme opposite that women raised by a violent father will tend to respond to males that are very soft to the point of being almost effeminate. Any male assertiveness triggering the feelings of fear they may have had when the abuser in their past would flip out…even normal healthy assertiveness could come across as dangerous to a person that has a history of abuse. So, it’s so inconclusive that…I won’t say it’s not worth thinking about, it’s a very important thing to consider when dating a woman of ANY race if she has that in her family history, but don’t OVER think what it may or may not have to do with why she’d be attracted to you to begin with. Maybe I covered too much, I tend to sidetrack and come back to topic quite a lot. The point I was making about interracial relationships and tendencies of certain races toward certain types of signatures is this. Attractive, is for the most part, attractive. If you wear a signature that fits your personality and amplifies your traits to where they seem attractive then it should work on most females. I’m sure a guy could be just as attractive to the same group of women with the same tendencies whether he wore [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) and IH or if he was wearing Instant Jerk and IO…so long as he understood what his signature was communicating and how he should act to carry it. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/36 "2010-12-07T16:42:41Z")
My little rant has sprung up a ton of good posts, and it seems like most of you get what I meant, awesome. These are the kind of discussions this forum needs more of. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 4:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768/37 "2010-12-07T16:45:34Z")
> [@Maidenfan01](#): > > My little rant has sprung up a ton of good posts, and it seems like most of you get what I meant, awesome. These are the kind of discussions this forum needs more of. Yea you are always stirring up stuff. 🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pet-peeve/43768.md?page=1)