# Petition for an Ammo version with P83 instead of -none **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 23, 2008, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823 "2008-01-23T20:28:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/1 "2008-01-23T20:28:12Z")
Heyho guys! I really like the idea of an all-in-one product like [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) that you can apply and then leave without fiddling around with tons of bottles. The thing is: My tolerance for androstenone is dropping and it seems I’m already slightly ODing with two sprays (at least I’m sure I OD’ed this last weekend with two sprays only). That’s not a problem with buildup, because I’m not using -none products often. So, P83 is said to have -none-like sexual effects without the negative sides. What do you think, would it be a good idea to have an Ammo-like MX, containing Alpha-Androstenol, Androsterone and P83 for the sexual undertones? @Jas If some stuff like this already exists in one of those mysterious MX, pm me! ---
**Author:** ![TRDE59](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/trde59/32/412_2.png) [@TRDE59](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TRDE59)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/2 "2008-01-23T21:07:53Z")
I think it would be interesting. Obviously we would try it out in the MX series first. I’m not sure that it would trump the effectiveness of the -none version, however, cause I personally don’t feel that P83 is a sexual [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). At least not in the same way. It seems to be a mood, sensuality enhancer to me. Whatever your desires you have at the time, whatever mood or environment you are immersed in, it amplifies it. I don’t mean mood as in happy, sad, horny, etc. I mean mood as in sort of the tempo/aura of the situation. Social mood, seductive mood, depressive mood, etc. The reason why it appears to be a “sexual” pheromone is that P83 seems to be better at enhancing the more primal mammalian desires/emotions than the more complex/cognitive human ones. It will mildly effect a social situation and possibly help everyone involved enjoy themselves more, but if the mood turns at all sexual, then P83 grabs hold of that energy and amplifies it. Unfortunately it also seems to enhance negative emotions if they happen to surface. Hmmm… reading back over this, it almost seems like it’s kind of a passive -none. It will enhance the same things -none enhances (with the added eroticness/sensuality) but it doesn’t create those feelings if they’re not already there. -None can and will create sexual or dominant “big chimp” style energy even if it wasn’t there before. Hence -none is more active. So, it might be a good option for people who OD easily on -none… but it still might lack the old version’s attention-grabbing qualities. -None kinda says, “Ay! Look at me! I’m sexy and I can smash things.” Which is really the point of AMMO… to be **attention grabbing** (albeit more friendly than just raw -none). P83, on the other hand, is more sneaky and conniving. Lol. I’m not gonna vote on your poll cause the answers are too bi-polar. 😛 I’ll go with a, “It sounds like a good idea… let’s see how it plays out.” ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/3 "2008-01-23T21:45:15Z")
Ah dunno, it’s pretty easy to buy chemset androstenol and androsterone and mix with P83. Add Nautica Competition and it will smell just like Ammo. Pour the entire concoction in an atomizer and it’s just as convenient to use as premixed Ammo. I custom mix nols and rones with Nautica Competition to match Ammo’s scent. Only takes couple a minutes to prepare and it lasts for months. Ammo without androstenone wouldn’t have much mass appeal. I wouldn’t buy it. ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/4 "2008-01-24T20:24:26Z")
While [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) can be perceived as sexual, it isn’t in every context and would be very inconsistent as consumer product. ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/5 "2008-01-24T21:49:32Z")
I think its an interesting concept, however, I dont think [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) acts as a -none replacement. Personally I think it would work well with P83 as an addition to the current components. Strengthwise I have no idea how much is required. Rattle ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2008, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/6 "2008-01-24T22:45:36Z")
Hello Bubblebob! Thank you for this poll! It’s very interesting. I’m one of those that thinks that “AMMO” is “AMMO” and we’d like it as it is, but I’d like the “P83 Ammo” as a MX. Yeah, I’d be very curious of trying that. It’d be great if Jasmine (Hello Jasmine!) told us if already exists a MX like that! See ya Franz ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/7 "2008-01-25T07:22:44Z")
It would be a nice MX indeed. Re the -none creating feelings if they’re not there, I’m not thinking it does that actually. Something has to be there, in my experience at least.. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 11:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/8 "2008-01-25T11:56:28Z")
Well, it would be a mix for people high in androstenone naturally. So the -none wouldn’t have to be in the mix, it’s provided by the individual in doses that are high enough already… I guess low -none people would profit from the normal Ammo version more. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 12:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/9 "2008-01-25T12:00:22Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Well, it would be a mix for people high in androstenone naturally. So the -none wouldn’t have to be in the mix, it’s provided by the individual in doses that are high enough already… I guess low -none people would profit from the normal Ammo version more. hmm.. I’m a low -noner and I voted in favour… but someone like me can always dab on some -none seperately.. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 12:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/10 "2008-01-25T12:06:48Z")
Yepp, or you just use the normal Ammo and add some P83… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2008, 12:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/11 "2008-01-25T12:08:55Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Yepp, or you just use the normal Ammo and add some P83… 😉 yes.. what I’d like is an ammo which smells a bit less strong though. I end up spraying a lot before I have to go out, to avoid a smell OD.. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 6:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/12 "2008-01-27T18:25:33Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > yes.. what I’d like is an ammo which smells a bit less strong though. I end up spraying a lot before I have to go out, to avoid a smell OD.. 😃 I agree. Ammo does have a pretty strong scent, I would love to see a toned down and maybe even an unscented version. As to replacing the None in Ammo with P83, I believe that would take the punch out of the product. But maybe they could concoct the mix and call it BB or cap gun. 🙄 Actually naming it something along the lines of **Encourage** might be fitting. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/13 "2008-01-27T19:45:34Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > yes.. what I’d like is an ammo which smells a bit less strong though. I end up spraying a lot before I have to go out, to avoid a smell OD.. 😃 > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I agree. Ammo does have a pretty strong scent, I would love to see a toned down and maybe even an unscented version. Ammo is available in 2x and advanced users can order ammo unscented. regular 2x, regular unscented, and unscented 2x can all be used to address the “smell OD” problem. I just recently picked up a bottle of 2x unscented. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/14 "2008-01-27T19:51:01Z")
Thanks GW. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/15 "2008-01-27T19:52:53Z")
> [@Gone with the Wind](#): > > Ammo is available in 2x and advanced users can order ammo unscented. > > regular 2x, regular unscented, and unscented 2x can all be used to address the “smell OD” problem. > > I just recently picked up a bottle of 2x unscented. thanks.. I’ll do that when my bottles finish.. I like its buffering especially.. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2008, 2:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/16 "2008-02-04T02:41:34Z")
To each his own. Sometimes you love a product but hate the scent. I don’t care much for AE’s scent but liked the effects. So I whipped up a clone outta chemset components and added by fav cologne. However, concerning Ammo’s scent, I have gotten nothing but compliments from both men and women. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2008, 2:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/17 "2008-02-04T02:53:54Z")
Ammo without Androstenone and P83 instead would really be a whole differant product so they can just make it up and call it something else. Prehaps one of those little test bottles of test mixes already has that mix in it. 🆒 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![snakeeyesontheparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snakeeyesontheparadise/32/791_2.png) [@snakeeyesontheparadise](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/snakeeyesontheparadise)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 4:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/18 "2008-02-05T16:51:17Z")
What I read about [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is that it gives off that sexual and sexy vibe without being sexually “aggressive” like androstenone can be at higher dosages. So this would sound like a great idea to me as a female attractant without the “aggressiveness” factor. Something along the lines of IFM maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Mecca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@Mecca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mecca)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/19 "2008-05-09T22:35:05Z")
what is the purpose of no none. Lets get back to biology 101 Testesterone is the male sex hormone. Without it men would be phenotypically women. No testosterone means womenhood by default. I jsut dont see the biology of it. Please explain sex without 🙂 🙂 testosterone, sexual or social aspect or not makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 7:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/20 "2008-05-10T07:38:29Z")
“Not ready to fire off the big guns? A little apprehensive when it comes to breaking out the Ammo in the battle of the sexes? Try our new product, _‘ **Paintball** : In the drunken practice round with your buddies before the Battle of the Sexes!’_. Half the punch and twice the mess! She’ll never know what hit her!” -D4 > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I agree. Ammo does have a pretty strong scent, I would love to see a toned down and maybe even an unscented version. > > As to replacing the None in Ammo with P83, I believe that would take the punch out of the product. But maybe they could concoct the mix and call it BB or cap gun. 🙄 Actually naming it something along the lines of **Encourage** might be fitting. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823.md?page=2)