# Petition for an Ammo version with P83 instead of -none **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 23, 2008, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823 "2008-01-23T20:28:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/41 "2008-11-27T10:14:56Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > For people that shower regularly, a little bit is usually nice. > > Yet another reason why people like my youngest brother can’t use it, btw. Not only did I see him lop on 10 to 12 sprays of Ammo, but it’s not like he has the best hygiene in the world. 25 to 30mcg of -none + what’s already on a young man? Pu ewwww! Ha, ha just tell him that it’s time to shower caveman. Then just proceed to throw him in a pool, or shower. For Christmas a nice loofah would help him with that -none accumulation ha, ha. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2009, 11:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/42 "2009-06-07T11:46:38Z")
I dunno man… I have bombed some crazy stuff… but I buffer with socials crazy.. cttm2 + is +272 Talking like 4 IS and like 4 cttm2 3-272 when I go heavy -none like 2 shots tuth + 3 ifm ---
**Author:** ![M\_P](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/m_p/32/1633_2.png) [@M\_P](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_P)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/43 "2009-07-12T23:53:22Z")
Ammo without -none… IG +P83? ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 10:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/44 "2009-08-21T10:48:37Z")
This thread is over a year old 🙂 unless someone deleted their post or bumped with a vote, it’s made it way up somehow? XD Thought it was MP since it was last post but isnt, now it looks like it was me lmao 😢 ---
**Author:** ![ElectraComplex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/electracomplex/32/1257_2.png) [@ElectraComplex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ElectraComplex)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/45 "2009-08-21T18:26:09Z")
If someone hasn’t said this already.. > [@bubblebob](#): > > Heyho guys! > > I really like the idea of an all-in-one product like Ammo that you can apply and then leave without fiddling around with tons of bottles. The thing is: My tolerance for androstenone is dropping and it seems I’m already slightly ODing with two sprays (at least I’m sure I OD’ed this last weekend with two sprays only). That’s not a problem with buildup, because I’m not using -none products often. So, P83 is said to have -none-like sexual effects without the negative sides. > > What do you think, would it be a good idea to have an Ammo-like MX, containing Alpha-Androstenol, Androsterone and P83 for the sexual undertones? > > @Jas > If some stuff like this already exists in one of those mysterious MX, pm me! Ammo with the addition of p83 instead of the subtraction of -none might be a good idea. 🙂 But for you -none sensitive guys yeah some of the guys products sans the none might be nice to have. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/46 "2009-08-21T19:38:08Z")
> [@lukus](#): > > This thread is over a year old 🙂 unless someone deleted their post or bumped with a vote, it’s made it way up somehow? XD Thought it was MP since it was last post but isnt, now it looks like it was me lmao 😢 Every now and then someone finds this and pushes it up with a vote… Now that I’ve used P83 for a while I’m not sure if this would be that much of a great idea anymore. I’d rather like to see what Elektra suggested - an Ammo with added P83. At least for me, P83 without any androstenone was never really sexual… ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/47 "2009-10-03T15:11:43Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Every now and then someone finds this and pushes it up with a vote… > > Now that I’ve used P83 for a while I’m not sure if this would be that much of a great idea anymore. I’d rather like to see what Elektra suggested - an Ammo with added P83. At least for me, P83 without any androstenone was never really sexual… I can totally relate to [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) by itself being not as sexual. I’ve worn it a few times and always get the [human velcro effect](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-interesting-stuff/29154) but not because they are attracted. It is like it just totally removed any personal space I may have thought I had. ---
**Author:** ![reddog](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reddog/32/2091_2.png) [@reddog](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reddog)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/48 "2009-10-04T03:45:53Z")
Try MX115 when and if it comes back into the store. Myself and others believe it has no -none and possibly high amount of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). Good attractant for younger gals. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/49 "2009-11-04T00:34:40Z")
I would only vote for this if they still offered it with -none as well! ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/50 "2009-11-04T02:44:17Z")
> [@reddog](#): > > Try MX115 when and if it comes back into the store. Myself and others believe it has no -none and possibly high amount of P83. Good attractant for younger gals. VERY true! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cherub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cherub/32/1282_2.png) [@Cherub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cherub)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/51 "2009-12-30T05:54:15Z")
any other suggerstion for a [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) mix? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/52 "2010-02-13T14:01:25Z")
I quite enjoyed combing through this thread, because you all have very nifty ideas! If you want to see an Ammo+P83 mix come to life, make sure you let me know about it at [this thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mxs-would-you-like-me-to-restock/36196/42). I’m currently collecting and analyzing all feedback and seeing which MXs we can start to produce again. New formulas welcome! ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/53 "2010-02-13T19:53:59Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > I quite enjoyed combing through this thread, because you all have very nifty ideas! > > If you want to see an Ammo+P83 mix come to life, make sure you let me know about it at [this thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-mxs-would-you-like-me-to-restock/36196/42). > > I’m currently collecting and analyzing all feedback and seeing which MXs we can start to produce again. > > New formulas welcome! I know the OP mentioned exchanging the -none and replacing it with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) but I’d love to keep the -none instead and just add the P83 into the mix. Hey, what can I say? I want it all. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/54 "2010-02-13T20:30:41Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > I know the OP mentioned exchanging the -none and replacing it with P83 but I’d love to keep the -none instead and just add the P83 into the mix. Hey, what can I say? I want it all. 😛 Miko, actually nowadays I’d say the same. I think I started the thread after I’ve had a not-so-nice evening with a little too much -none on for my ‘target’… 😉 A P83 enhanced standard Ammo would be cool. Although, you could always spray some P83 on top… ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/55 "2010-02-13T21:10:57Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Miko, actually nowadays I’d say the same. I think I started the thread after I’ve had a not-so-nice evening with a little too much -none on for my ‘target’… 😉 A P83 enhanced standard Ammo would be cool. Although, you could always spray some P83 on top… Yeah, you can do that but why not go for broke and just throw it in he, he. Or heck, maybe add something else to an MX AMMO besides just [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/)? Maybe some P86 along with that P83 as well? 😛 Could be something like this: AMMO Extra Punch Edition Androstenone 2.5 Alpha Androstenol 2.5 Androsterone 2.5 Beta Androstenol 2.5 (heh, while we’re at it why not throw in some Betanol too!) P83 10 P86 10 The -none levels might have to be changed so it won’t be too buffered 'cause of the added Betanol. ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 10:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/56 "2010-02-13T22:34:25Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Yeah, you can do that but why not go for broke and just throw it in he, he. Or heck, maybe add something else to an MX AMMO besides just P83? Maybe some P86 along with that P83 as well? 😛 > > Could be something like this: > > AMMO Extra Punch Edition > > Androstenone 2.5 > Alpha Androstenol 2.5 > Androsterone 2.5 > Beta Androstenol 2.5 (heh, while we’re at it why not throw in some Betanol too!) > P83 10 > P86 10 > > The -none levels might have to be changed so it won’t be too buffered 'cause of the added Betanol. Hell if you really wanted to go nuts you could always just drop the alpha nol and just have 2.5 mcg of beta nol. …I’ve always been curious what swapping the alpha with beta nol would do to ammo. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/57 "2010-02-13T22:37:50Z")
> [@SoulCreator](#): > > Hell if you really wanted to go nuts you could always just drop the alpha nol and just have 2.5 mcg of beta nol. …I’ve always been curious what swapping the alpha with beta nol would do to ammo. Oh, yes that too! I think that it would make it more sensual/bonding and trusting than with the Alphanol. Great idea SoulCreator! I also kind of like the ratios for Alter Ego, sounds like it would make it more punchy if AMMO tried out that ratio (according to the Alter Ego mcg’s you posted SoulCreator in your AMMO bootleg thread.) They sound pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 10:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/58 "2010-02-13T22:43:58Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Oh, yes that too! I think that it would make it more sensual/bonding and trusting than with the Alphanol. > > Great idea SoulCreator! I also kind of like the ratios for Alter Ego, sounds like it would make it more punchy if AMMO tried out that ratio (according to the Alter Ego mcg’s you posted SoulCreator in your AMMO bootleg thread.) They sound pretty good. Coincidentally just last night I wore two sprays of my AE mix and 25mcg of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/)… that was definitely an edgy mix, in the very good sort of way if you catch my drift. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/59 "2010-02-13T22:47:47Z")
Definitely do not want to see the none removed from ammo. P83 plays well with just about all molecules I have tried it with, and -none is a one of the better ones. Ammo + P83 could be just wicked though. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/60 "2010-02-13T23:26:58Z")
> [@SoulCreator](#): > > Coincidentally just last night I wore two sprays of my AE mix and 25mcg of P83… that was definitely an edgy mix, in the very good sort of way if you catch my drift. I catch your drift and I like it! Definitely would be cool to see some edgy/punchy AMMO MX’s. Just for kicks, you know? I never really did try the AMMO test pack so I’m not sure how that went or what were in them, but maybe a new revised AMMO MX test pack with these ideas would be sweet. Heck, even if it’s just one or two new AMMO MX’s. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823.md?page=4)