# Petition for an Ammo version with P83 instead of -none **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 23, 2008, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823 "2008-01-23T20:28:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/61 "2010-02-13T23:40:34Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > I catch your drift and I like it! Definitely would be cool to see some edgy/punchy AMMO MX’s. Just for kicks, you know? I never really did try the AMMO test pack so I’m not sure how that went or what were in them, but maybe a new revised AMMO MX test pack with these ideas would be sweet. Heck, even if it’s just one or two new AMMO MX’s. Yeah I actually did get a chance to try the ammo test pack, I still pull out one of them at random every now and then. The vibe of the entire pack seems to be even less edgy than the original ammo formula and more laid back and cool… Over all they weren’t bad, but unfortunately none of them really stood out to me. It would be really cool to play with a edgy-balls-out ammo test pack. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/62 "2010-02-13T23:54:02Z")
> [@SoulCreator](#): > > Yeah I actually did get a chance to try the ammo test pack, I still pull out one of them at random every now and then. The vibe of the entire pack seems to be even less edgy than the original ammo formula and more laid back and cool… Over all they weren’t bad, but unfortunately none of them really stood out to me. > > It would be really cool to play with a edgy-balls-out ammo test pack. Definitely man, so far I like the ideas we’ve put on here. Anyone else have any other ideas for an edgier AMMO? Like for example, what else do you think would be a good idea to add to AMMO to make it stand out more? I think maybe a _little_ bit of TAF per spray and/or P79 might help as well. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/63 "2010-02-13T23:55:00Z")
why not add 2.5mcg to 5mcg anone ?! ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/64 "2010-02-13T23:59:02Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > why not add 2.5mcg to 5mcg anone ?! Of Androstenone or do you mean AndrostAnone? I think you do mean AndrostAnone and yes, that would be cool as well. As a replacement for -none as it has been said that it’s a little less harsh than -none. Or hm, I wonder if a TINY _workable combined_ dose of these two (-none and Anone) might actually work? ---
**Author:** ![scotties123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@scotties123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/scotties123)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/65 "2010-02-14T18:11:21Z")
I believe you may be thinking of p75 as the -none replacement. p83 is more of a disinhibitor. ---
**Author:** ![stevios](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@stevios](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stevios)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/66 "2010-02-15T19:45:26Z")
I’m tempted to vote “yes” but was wondering if anyone had tried / reported on an Ammo + P83 combo? I’m waiting for my ammo to come in the post so haven’t yet myself. I’ve tried searching and sorry if I’ve missed a link somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/67 "2010-02-15T19:53:19Z")
> [@stevios](#): > > I’m tempted to vote “yes” but was wondering if anyone had tried / reported on an Ammo + P83 combo? I’m waiting for my ammo to come in the post so haven’t yet myself. > > I’ve tried searching and sorry if I’ve missed a link somewhere. I tried it, but didn’t notice anything different. p83 doesn’t seem to do much for me; well, nothing blatantly obvious… i used 25 mcg of it. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Phail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7c8e57/32.png) [@Dr\_Phail](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dr_Phail)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/68 "2011-01-11T17:23:57Z")
Like others may have said (I haven’t read the whole thread), I would like regular AMMO with [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) added to it, but keep the none in. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/69 "2011-02-01T17:32:33Z")
> [@Dr\_Phail](#): > > Like others may have said (I haven’t read the whole thread), I would like regular AMMO with P83 added to it, but keep the none in. The whole point of the Instant Line was that you can layer it. You guys just gotta stop and think sometimes, the reason AMMO, IS, IO, IH, IG are out and PROVEN are because there were years of tweaking and perfecting the formula. Also with the ExperiMone and Putative lines you have the ability to make mixes on your skin, since each person’s body chemistry is different, adding [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) or anything else to AMMO can somehow change the effects of it. If you really want to, go buy your P83 and layer it on. ---
**Author:** ![Aghor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aghor/32/1558_2.png) [@Aghor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aghor)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/70 "2011-02-16T18:21:46Z")
this thread seems to have brought out many of the phero veterans out from the woodwork 😃 I have a question for you veterans.. **I suppose you guys consider P83 to be a better none replacement than [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). Correct ?** ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 7:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/71 "2011-09-04T07:06:49Z")
Well The Main Issue is that Adding a New Molecule to Ammo could Alter it’s Success Rate… Also P83 is Scarce… What it Do to the Cost and Availability of Ammo+P83 as a Single Product?!? Not to Mention it would Require TESTING and REPORTING (BIG HINT)… You Want it then Test the Two Together and See if it Works and How Much P83 would be Needed… Heck Try P74 with it Also… Nothing Might Ever Come if it but Atleast the Leg Work would be Done in the Manner that AD could Use… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 12:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/72 "2011-09-04T12:24:26Z")
See: “vs -None” experiment. [Edit] Also: [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is the opposite of scarce. Feel free to experiment! ---
**Author:** ![vastassets](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vastassets/32/626_2.png) [@vastassets](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vastassets)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/73 "2011-10-07T20:00:32Z")
Hello, Interesting thread. Does anyone know where to get some [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) minus the $9,999 price tag? Thanks. -Luke ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823/74 "2011-10-07T21:53:52Z")
> [@vastassets](#): > > Hello, > > Interesting thread. > > Does anyone know where to get some P83 > minus the $9,999 price tag? > > Thanks. > > -Luke Regular reporting helps. 🙂 Read this: [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-user-status-what-does-it-mean/32767](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-user-status-what-does-it-mean/32767) [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-an-ammo-version-with-p83-instead-of-none/189823.md?page=3)