# Petition for ICM mixes back? Vote yes! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 18, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981 "2010-11-18T18:49:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/1 "2010-11-18T18:49:35Z")
We want Steve’s ICM pack back, including MX301 and 302. Those make A314 go from Clint Eastwood to JFK. WE need it! WE need it! lol 😃 ---
**Author:** ![vvtv57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vvtv57](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/vvtv57)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/2 "2010-11-18T18:50:53Z")
Totally in for this. Strong interests is what got mx297 back in stock. Let your words speak for themselves!! ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/3 "2010-11-18T19:05:52Z")
Even though I’ll probably be kicking myself for this. I would normally vote yes but.. Remember the mixes Jasmin promised to re release, like DJ’s mix, and I know Steve sent out testers for ICM 2.0. I’d rather them use the effort and molecules to come out with mixes that haven’t been tried yet, rather than keep going back to the old. We can only progress the tech forward by standing on and leaving behind what got us there to begin with. But I could be wrong and if it wouldn’t be a bother, I’d like to pick up another bottle.😃 ---
**Author:** ![TheBoogieMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theboogieman/32/1136_2.png) [@TheBoogieMan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheBoogieMan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/4 "2010-11-18T19:20:30Z")
Uh, the poll options are all just varying degrees of ‘yes’…lol. I agree with Mustang on this one. I’d rather have ICM 2.0 and other new MXes than the original ICMs. If anything were to be re-released, MX301/302 wouldn’t be my first choice. But if they were restocked I would buy a bottle. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 7:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/5 "2010-11-18T19:22:42Z")
Pretty much all the experimones are OOS except for the TAK and TAA. I have no idea how TAC or Beta nol or TAL are out of stock because they are almost always in stock. Even [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) is OOS. I hope the problems on the supplier end arent too excessive, I would hate to see the staples not come back for a while as I would like some Erone and B-nol 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/6 "2010-11-18T22:25:39Z")
P51, stop being a party-pooper and disappointing newbies 😃 It never hurts to have this in stock as AD is experimenting to find some new mixes 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 11:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/7 "2010-11-18T23:01:18Z")
Well the ingredients arent that extensive for MX301 so I’d say its a good staple to keep around as the results are fantastic and it doesnt require uber rare stuff in it. MX302 may be another story if that is ICM 1b which does contain [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and would cause some material issues as it could be better used elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/8 "2010-11-18T23:07:14Z")
> [@CoolKatDC](#): > > P51, stop being a party-pooper and disappointing newbies > 😃 > It never hurts to have this in stock as AD is experimenting to find some new mixes 😉 I know I know Believe me I want them to restock it. Just ICM 2 and DJ’s mix looks enticing ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/9 "2010-11-19T02:00:10Z")
They just added two products to the consumer line and re-released [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) and MX390 and a lot of people thought neither of those things were ever going to happen. Honestly, I feel we should chill for a bit and give them a break before making more demands. Besides, I’m with P51. I really liked the ICM mixes, but if there are limited resources, I would rather they be spent on something new and exciting. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/10 "2010-11-19T02:02:17Z")
> [@Vespero](#): > > They just added two products to the consumer line and re-released MX297 and MX390 and a lot of people thought neither of those things were ever going to happen. Honestly, I feel we should chill for a bit and give them a break before making more demands. Besides, I’m with P51. I really liked the ICM mixes, but if there are limited resources, I would rather they be spent on something new and exciting. Glad you get it Vespero. Those mixes are far too expensive to produce in more quantities and the research has been exhausted. Sorry guys. Please continue to test and report new things in new ways, you really drive things forward. ---
**Author:** ![p8ntman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7993a0/32.png) [@p8ntman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/p8ntman)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/11 "2010-11-19T20:03:40Z")
I did some searching the formula is here > [@How to PROPERLY make ICM (MX301)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595): > > Link is from deleted thread This is ICM and this is how you make it. All 30 mL bottles at the mcg listed You must have an additional CLEAN NEW 30 ML bottle and individual pipettes for each molecule. You DO NOT reuse these! TAA ----\>30 mcg ----\>72 drops = 3.974 mcg per spray BNOL ----\>30 mcg ----\>90 drops = 4.967 mcg per spray (ANOL can be sustituted if you choose) P93 ----\>20 mcg ----\>48 drops = 1.766 mcg per spray [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) ----\>30 mcg ----\>55 drops = 3.035 mcg per spray NONE----\>… Just looking at it I can think its going to be quite expensive to make About 471.82 usd for all the supplies and if my math is correct thats for 130-150 ml Lets go with 150 ml because there are different amount of drops per ingredient It costs about 16 usd for 5ml thats not including production costs and this is simply the costs of consumer products You still also need the pippets and 30ml bottle I know the production is more then 16 usd per 5ml probably at least 30 usd per 5ml and I know my math is off because I dont know how long the supplies will last. ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/12 "2010-11-19T20:12:07Z")
> [@p8ntman](#): > > I did some searching the formula is here > > [How to PROPERLY make ICM (MX301)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595) > > Just looking at it I can think its going to be quite expensive to make > > About 500 usd for all the supplies Yes, but then you will have A LOT of ICM right ? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/13 "2010-11-19T21:01:31Z")
> [@p8ntman](#): > > I did some searching the formula is here > > [How to PROPERLY make ICM (MX301)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-properly-make-icm-mx301/42595) > > Just looking at it I can think its going to be quite expensive to make > > About 471.82 usd for all the supplies and if my math is correct thats for 130-150 ml > Lets go with 150 ml because there are different amount of drops per ingredient > It costs about 16 usd for 5ml thats not including production costs and this is simply the costs of consumer products > > You still also need the pippets and 30ml bottle > > I know the production is more then 16 usd per 5ml probably at least 30 usd per 5ml and I know my math is off because I dont know how long the supplies will last. > [@Bolkie](#): > > Yes, but then you will have A LOT of ICM right ? Now if it’s expensive for YOU to make, with discounts. How expensive do you think it is for AD, to come out with something, and sell it at a loss, and all the reports have been exhausted. This is where users can literally put their money where their mouths are. (The actual math roughly evens out supply with MX bottles but the point is, AD has to spend huge resources first to get it out) ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/14 "2010-11-19T21:51:20Z")
Real expenditures \> Our perceived expenditures. If you have extra 30mL bottles that are empty from use or from other reasons that shouldn’t have to be an included cost. Pipettes are highly reusable so I don’t consider them a cost when you look at the life of one when you wash and use it time and time again. If you don’t use MX301 homemade brew day in day out its not really an effective way to spend money on pheros p8ntman. Theres many ways to pinch a penny when it comes to pheros. Doing Intros for the newbies that come upon this place is a great way to save a few dollars. You could even do a makeshift MX301 (I know it wouldnt be the same but just giving you some ideas) with a shot of TUTH or maybe half a shot with 1 shot of IH and 1 shot of IS and then buy TAC/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)/P93 at 5 mcgs/spray 30 mL bottle (using one spray each for 1 dosing of MX301). Just to reiterate the ratios would be off but it would give you a decent idea of what its like because I have worn the P74/TAC/TAA to great affect without ever adding P93 and none for a long long time and it was always a treat with women. Mharris has always recommended above everything to use your skin as a canvas when you try to create a mix or see what works for you. Mixing things (literally in the same bottle) seems great and convenient in a logical sense but mixing mones isn’t so straight forward like making soup. There are procedures to take into consideration when pondering what method will give you the most precise dosing among the molecules with the least amount of error. Then theres the idea of finding the perfect Alcohol to Perfumed Alcohol ratio so that the perfume strength is just right for your purpose and venue. Also another thing to consider is how viscous (percentage of oil you may want to make the application last longer) you may want your mix to be depending on whats the regular temp/humidity in your area and regular environment you may linger whether (outside, air conditioned, close knit office/rooms etc). I could go into more things but I consider those “core” things to decide when making your own brews using putatives/experimones from AD. ---
**Author:** ![p8ntman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7993a0/32.png) [@p8ntman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/p8ntman)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 10:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/15 "2010-11-19T22:14:29Z")
> [@Olfact Amorous](#): > > Real expenditures \> Our perceived expenditures. If you have extra 30mL bottles that are empty from use or from other reasons that shouldn’t have to be an included cost. Pipettes are highly reusable so I don’t consider them a cost when you look at the life of one when you wash and use it time and time again. > > If you don’t use MX301 homemade brew day in day out its not really an effective way to spend money on pheros p8ntman. Theres many ways to pinch a penny when it comes to pheros. Doing Intros for the newbies that come upon this place is a great way to save a few dollars. You could even do a makeshift MX301 (I know it wouldnt be the same but just giving you some ideas) with a shot of TUTH or maybe half a shot with 1 shot of IH and 1 shot of IS and then buy TAC/P74/P93 at 5 mcgs/spray 30 mL bottle (using one spray each for 1 dosing of MX301). Just to reiterate the ratios would be off but it would give you a decent idea of what its like because I have worn the P74/TAC/TAA to great affect without ever adding P93 and none for a long long time and it was always a treat with women. > > Mharris has always recommended above everything to use your skin as a canvas when you try to create a mix or see what works for you. Mixing things (literally in the same bottle) seems great and convenient in a logical sense but mixing mones isn’t so straight forward like making soup. There are procedures to take into consideration when pondering what method will give you the most precise dosing among the molecules with the least amount of error. Then theres the idea of finding the perfect Alcohol to Perfumed Alcohol ratio so that the perfume strength is just right for your purpose and venue. Also another thing to consider is how viscous (percentage of oil you may want to make the application last longer) you may want your mix to be depending on whats the regular temp/humidity in your area and regular environment you may linger whether (outside, air conditioned, close knit office/rooms etc). > > I could go into more things but I consider those “core” things to decide when making your own brews using putatives/experimones from AD. Well I think were on the wrong page I was simply trying to prove a point that mx301 is not cheap to produce at all I had no intention of actually home brewing it. Btw I got mx297 in the mail today thanks a bunch. ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/16 "2010-11-19T22:17:11Z")
> [@p8ntman](#): > > Well I think were on the wrong page I was simply trying to prove a point that mx301 is not cheap to produce at all I had no intention of actually home brewing it. Btw I got mx297 in the mail today thanks a bunch. Just saying 😃 God Bless the US Postal Service (Even though they are a billion dollars in debt) ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/17 "2010-11-20T02:13:35Z")
Well, Mx301 and 302 wouldn’t be that expensive. I bet the other two might be, so why not just re-release MX301 and 302 -$30 for reporters and 55$ for new users. Mx297 probably might cost a little more than these two. Eirther way, I don’t care. I am excited about DJ’s so called A2, and ICM2 mixes. I was just suggesting, while those get released, instead of Mx297, why not re-release Mx301 and 302 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/18 "2010-11-20T02:35:14Z")
> [@John Sebastian](#): > > Hey everybody, > > **MX297** now back in stock! Limited quantity of bottles available for research so as always we ask that you keep it to 1 (ONE) per person until you run out. > > **MX297** also has a variant called **MX390** with a fresher scent. I highly recommend buying BOTH MX’s to compare as there has been some very interesting dialogue going on comparing the two. > > The **MX297** has made a return along side is brother **MX390** and they’re both ready to come out and play. 🆒 I believe this is the reason. We know what MX301 and MX302 do, and that they are quite effective. However, there seems to be an interesting discrepancy between the results yielded by [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) and MX390, which are supposedly identical in all regards besides the scent package; hence, research incomplete. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2010, 2:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/19 "2010-11-20T02:41:02Z")
> [@Vespero](#): > > I believe this is the reason. We know what MX301 and MX302 do, and that they are quite effective. However, there seems to be an interesting discrepancy between the results yielded by MX297 and MX390, which are supposedly identical in all regards besides the scent package; hence, research incomplete. Of course, scent matters. I believe FF22 scents actually work-out well in party settings. It smells flowery and somewhat like female perfume. It can give you social proof. I once told this one girl to tell other girls she got that on me, lol 😃 Also, don’t forget. Business is Business. At this time, mx297 and its variant is more feasible to obtain without costing too much. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2010, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981/20 "2010-11-20T11:39:20Z")
> [@Olfact Amorous](#): > > Just saying 😃 God Bless the US Postal Service (Even though they are a billion dollars in debt) We are not in debt although they would like you to think that especially with contract negotiations coming up. We made a billion dollars less then last year. That’s not the same as being in debt LOL Anywhoo… AD doesnt use USPS. Back to your discussion 😃 Tisha [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/petition-for-icm-mixes-back-vote-yes/189981.md?page=2)