# PhatSounds in dilemma now! Lady Tisha, SteveO, my phero buddies or anybody help!!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 13, 2008, 2:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410 "2008-09-13T02:31:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/41 "2008-09-13T22:10:24Z")
> [@OoohYahhh](#): > > Oooh maaan - pheros, your big brother for a wingman, and at _your own_ party! Can it get any sweeter than that? > > Slip a fresh chip in the camera phone. I want to see video of when this comes down. > > Remember: > This _your_ tree and she is just another squirrel tryin’ to get a nut. Hmm, well sorry to break it to you OoohYahhh but my big brother is not able to come to my birthday celebration due to his family matters. Yes i did plan to wear pheros for my birthday 🙂 Ok i try to record a clip of it if i can 🙂 > [@Phya](#): > > I agree that you may be thinking a little too much. The most important question is do you want her there? It sounds like you do, but you are concerned about her hurting you again. > > So if you do want her there, invite her. That is the easy part, the hard part, is how will you approach the situation once she is invited. > > There two ways to play it, closed handed, and open handed. You can either invite her, and see if she’s willing to take your lead socially, or you can isolate her to see if she’s wlling to ask for your attention. Which plan is honestly up to you. My personal choice would be to be friendly and open with her. If she shows up and causes a ruckus, just cut her out with no apologies. That way, if it works out, you’ve got a cutie by your side, if it doesn’t you just showed your friend you won’t put up with her BS. It also fully reveals her nature so that you do not need to second guess yourself anymore. > > The reason I would choose those actions is to see how she will act, if given the freedom (and thus showing her character) and there’s little chance of blaming me. (I invited you, I welcomed you, and you act up? You’re just immature, but if I invite you, ignore you, you have some justification in being annoyed at me.) > > Keep in mind that is just what works from me, and I am far from a exemplary PUA. I operate in a different way. Most likely, you do as well. So take my advice with a grain of salt. I wanted to add also, that there is a subtle difference between ignoring someone and being too busy to pay attention. Make sure if you do go ‘closedhanded’ then don’t ignore her, just have too much fun to be paying atention to her specifically. > > IMO, the pheromones you wear will not be important, certainly not as important as the mindset you bring to the table. I know a girl that tells me she’ll call back and almost always forgets. I don’t get mad over that. That’s the way it is, I just know not to put too much weight on her arrangements and have no reservations on flaking on her at any moment for any reason. That way, there is no stress over the way she is treating me, and I still get to enjoy her company for the reasons I enjoy it. > > That being said, I don’t know what I would wear, probably a drop of A314, maybe some p83, lots of Shine with some Honesty, a dash of p74…annd I dunno, maybe a hint of -none. But that’s for me, you should probably stick to what has worked for you and _keep it simple_. > > Finally, I guess the only other thing I can say is that, perhaps we don’t mention this because it implies a lack of control over our destiny, but context and timing is really important. Some people can seem rude or unfriendly if you catch them at the wrong time/wrong place. I am an asshole, I am a dick, but only when the situation calls for it, and if you catch me in that moment and that is your only impression of me, then that is all you will know me as, despite the fact that I am not that kind of guy. So consider that maybe you saw her on the wrong night and that today is better. There is no doubt that the fact that it is your birthday is exciting, but who cares? Don’t block yourself from the goodies life can deliver. So far, life has forced me into an uncomfortable position in order to gain something I want. > > Want a good body? Workout. Want good grades? Study. Want money? Work. Want girls? Take risks. What do all of those have in common? They are all uncomfortable, they are all necessary to succeed. > > Phatsounds, I’ve mentioned this before, and I may be completely incorrect. If so, sorry. But I propose to you, that you start embracing the unsettling feelings, the uncertainty, the confusion. Learn to be comfortable in it. When something bad happens, don’t hide your wounds until you are ready to let the doctor see it, expose yourself in your rawest moment. It stings like no other, but if you can do that, and look at yourself when you are at your most vulnerable, you will not feel vulnerable in those situations later. > > Pheromones, girls that are bitches, guys that are dicks, friends that are fake. Life will throw them at you, and can certainly throw more at your (financial ruin, physical disability, etc) From what I’ve seen so far, it’s not where you start, it’s not what you have, it’s what you’re willing to do to get to where you want to be. > > Plans, talents, connections, all that glitter and glitz aside, it is execution that gets the job done. Execute, execute, execute. All those other things help you execute, but your chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Make sure you are not the weak link. > > You make everything happen, pheromones or not. If you want to enjoy your birthday, DO YOUR BEST TO ENJOY IT! Don’t let others scare you into having a bad time, or limiting yourself. If anyone asks what you are doing, just say, it’s my birthday! whatever the hell I want! They’ll probably want to join in. Have fun PS. That is one solid best advice that i get there, thanks buddy 🙂 Sorry i think i did not read what you mentioned there before:o Well you have told me there & i appreciate it very much. I will keep your advice as reference & thanks again 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/42 "2008-09-13T22:11:59Z")
Hi Phats 🙂 I hope I’m not too late to pitch in my nickle. First ask yourself if you want this girl at your celebration, as nothing more than a friend. Remember this is your day. Decide if having her there would make you upset or uncomfortable in anyway. Whatever you decide, be gracious and cool. Don’t invest too much here. Only time will tell if she’s genuine. She’s screwed you before and you’re right to be cautious. Who knows what’s really up with her? She may have had a bad day, a change of heart, or she may like parties and nice restaurants. I don’t know…but I do know this. If you do invite her to your party make it clear that she’s a welcome guest but not your date. Do not pick her up. When she arrives greet her warmly and be kind, speak for a few moments, offer her a drink and if she doesn’t know many people introduce her around a bit and then politely excuse yourself to attend to your other guests and tell her to enjoy the party and you will catch up to her later. In the meantime enjoy your own party and the other guests. Don’t make her the focus, when she approaches you, or you her, during the course of the party keep it light ask her if she’s having a good time and see how she responds to you and how she’s been behaving throughout. That should clue you in pretty good as to what she’s up to. If all you want to do is have a one night stand with this girl and the opportuinity presents itself, by all means nail 'er…and nail 'er good. 😉 However if you’re interested in actually dating her romantically then DO NOTHING…I repeat…DO NOTHING with her other than the party. Instead make a date for another time…soon. You’re too cool to jump into that fire too fast, my friend. Trust me, if she’s really hot for you in that way…she’ll keep. You’ll just have to determine if she’s real or using you…bottom line, baby. Do _not_ let her twist your a\*\* into a pretzel. Whatever you decide you know I always wish you the best…speaking of wishes, Mr. Phatsounds…I want to wish you the Happiest Birthday ever!!! 🆒 _ **BIG** _ `http://lovepotion.invisionzone.com/style_emoticons/default/Hug_emoticon.gif` \*\*\*Huggies `http://lovepotion.invisionzone.com/style_emoticons/default/Hug_emoticon.gif` and `http://lovepotion.invisionzone.com/style_emoticons/default/Hug_emoticon.gif` Kisses `http://lovepotion.invisionzone.com/style_emoticons/default/Hug_emoticon.gif` * * * _ **Bella** _ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/43 "2008-09-13T22:24:14Z")
Wow that is one great advice Bella, what you said there is right on the dot 🙂 Thank you very much 😃 I will keep your advice for reference 🙂 But just to inform you Bella that i’m celebrating at a restaurant & not at home & it is just a small party btw as i do not have a lot of friends here unlike in the forum here. That’s why how i wished i can get all my friends here in the forum to celebrate with me 🙂 Also thanks for wishing my birthday there 🙂 And i wish myself HAPPY BIRTHDAY as today is my birthday date here already 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dccb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@dccb](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dccb)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/44 "2008-09-13T22:24:20Z")
Hey PhatSounds, Happy birthday for tomorrow, I hope you don’t mind a reply from a newbie. I’m with mark-in-dallas, do not invite her, if she is genuinely interested in you there will be more opportunities. You have mentioned she played you wrongly in the past, if she wants to make it right then she should accept your terms, which include she is no invited to your party because only people that care about you are invited. Don’t be afraid to let her know she did something wrong, that is a good flirting token that can work to your advantage, believe me, a woman would never let you get away with it, you should follow suit. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/45 "2008-09-13T22:30:27Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > There two ways to play it, closed handed, and open handed. You can either invite her, and see if she’s willing to take your lead socially, or you can isolate her to see if she’s wlling to ask for your attention. Which plan is honestly up to you. My personal choice would be to be friendly and open with her. If she shows up and causes a ruckus, just cut her out with no apologies. That way, if it works out, you’ve got a cutie by your side, if it doesn’t you just showed your friend you won’t put up with her BS. It also fully reveals her nature so that you do not need to second guess yourself anymore. > > The reason I would choose those actions is to see how she will act, if given the freedom (and thus showing her character) and there’s little chance of blaming me. (I invited you, I welcomed you, and you act up? You’re just immature, but if I invite you, ignore you, you have some justification in being annoyed at me.) > > Keep in mind that is just what works from me, and I am far from a exemplary PUA. I operate in a different way. Most likely, you do as well. So take my advice with a grain of salt. I wanted to add also, that there is a subtle difference between ignoring someone and being too busy to pay attention. Make sure if you do go ‘closedhanded’ then don’t ignore her, just have too much fun to be paying atention to her specifically. > > Plans, talents, connections, all that glitter and glitz aside, it is execution that gets the job done. Execute, execute, execute. All those other things help you execute, but your chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Make sure you are not the weak link. > > You make everything happen, pheromones or not. If you want to enjoy your birthday, DO YOUR BEST TO ENJOY IT! Don’t let others scare you into having a bad time, or limiting yourself. If anyone asks what you are doing, just say, it’s my birthday! whatever the hell I want! They’ll probably want to join in. Have fun PS. When one has no form, one can be all forms; when one has no style, he can fit in with any style. - Bruce Lee We are in the company of genius. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/46 "2008-09-13T22:33:37Z")
> [@dccb](#): > > Hey PhatSounds, > > Happy birthday for tomorrow, I hope you don’t mind a reply from a newbie. > > I’m with mark-in-dallas, do not invite her, if she is genuinely interested in you there will be more opportunities. > > You have mentioned she played you wrongly in the past, if she wants to make it right then she should accept your terms, which include she is no invited to your party because only people that care about you are invited. > > Don’t be afraid to let her know she did something wrong, that is a good flirting token that can work to your advantage, believe me, a woman would never let you get away with it, you should follow suit. Thanks dccb for wishing me plus your advice there 🙂 And i don’t mind a reply from a newbie as i & the other experienced ones here used to be newbies too 🙂 Well to tell you guys, i have msg her already while i was reading the forum just now. So let see what is her response so good or bad response i’m ready for it as this is my birthday & i won’t let anything bring me down 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/47 "2008-09-13T22:35:46Z")
Hmmm you should be getting HAndle on which mones work best for you. I would say wear the same mix you did when she approached you and asked about the party 😉 Tish ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/48 "2008-09-13T22:42:28Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Hmmm you should be getting HAndle on which pheromones work best for you. I would say wear the same mix you did when she approached you and asked about the party 😉 > > Tish Yeah you are right Lady Tisha 🙂 Hmm use the same mix on the party, well why not? But if you have any phero recommendation for this situation, i gladly want to hear it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/49 "2008-09-13T22:49:54Z")
Everyone’s chimed in with some really terrific advice, particularly the forum hotties! I echo that the best plan is to relax and enjoy yourself as if she’s not even there. I also want to wish you good luck with your party, Phat! ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/50 "2008-09-13T23:16:09Z")
> [@Robbie](#): > > Everyone’s chimed in with some really terrific advice, particularly the forum hotties! > > I echo that the best plan is to relax and enjoy yourself as if she’s not even there. > > I also want to wish you good luck with your party, Phat! Thanks Robbie for wishing me there 🙂 Yes i agreed everyone here has been helpful to me in giving excellent advices there 😃 Thank you everyone 😃 Yeah you are right Robbie, i should just relax & enjoy myself even she is not there 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/51 "2008-09-14T00:08:11Z")
> [@PhatSounds](#): > > … > A bit of info about her\> She is very classy, straightforward & hot. She like to wear elegant designer clothing & pendants like those high end branded ones. … She treated you poorly 😕. Clothes and body type (HOT) does not make classy. Classy is about personalities and how we treat each other. Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Angelina Jolie, they are/were all classy. Ghandi had the balls to stand up to an entire empire with dignity and enough desire to speak out loud for what was right without resorting to violence. Mother Theresa went to the lowliest places on earth and without question or seeking validation took the poorest of Gods children into her bossom as if they were her own. Angelina Jolie, perhaps the hottest woman on the planet, right behind Nat Portman, and instead of making a TV commercial or pitching a charity took many children from impoverished lives into her own life and calls them her own. That’s class my friend, not the value of your clothes or who you associate with or how good you look. This little girl sounds like she is looking for the flavor of the week. Be wary of those you intrinsically question their character. After all Phat, you are questioning her character or you would already know what you needed to do. > [@PhatSounds](#): > > …And i wish myself HAPPY BIRTHDAY as today is my birthday date here already A very HAPPY BIRTHDAY my friend. That’s a PHAT $23 Gift Certificate making its way to your email via pack mules. Hopefully they don’t eat it on their way meandering over the mountains. Advice: Hmmm let’s see. Girl, never nice, bitchy attitude finds out you’re having party invites herself practically. Doesn’t sound like a quandary to me at all. In fact tell her since it’s your birthday everybody is asked pay you in advance. Whatever you do decide you do NOT pay her way, she pays her way and should be chipping in for your fun as well. I Personally it sounds like she likes your brother and is using your birthday to get to him, but what do I know.🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Intensity](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/intensity/32/566_2.png) [@Intensity](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Intensity)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 1:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/52 "2008-09-14T01:41:14Z")
Honestly bro, you are thinking way too much. And the only reason why a guy thinks way too much about a girl is if he’s attracted to her. Because if you weren’t attracted to her, would you really give a fuck? So basically a girl like this you’re going to have to play games with, it’s that simple. Nothing mean of course, but a lot of people have already posted good advice on what to do. You just gotta be super cool when she comes to the party. Be courteous, but don’t be too nice, after all, it’s your birthday party and you’re the man of the hour. At least that’s your alibi. And don’t try mixing up any new concoctions of phero’s just for this girl. Just go with what you normally wear, what makes you feel confident. Wear what you know works, or else all night if things don’t go your way, you’re going to be thinking to yourself, “Is it me… is it the phero’s… did I OD… how come she’s not talking to me… should I talk to her now… am I playing too many games… or maybe not enough game… man, I can’t believe I’m playing games… I need a drink… should I get a drink… should I get her a drink… damn, I spilled my drink… did she see me… I hope she didn’t see me… etc…” ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/53 "2008-09-14T02:34:21Z")
don’t think, just do it 😃 sometimes the more you think the more messy your head will become, and in the end you will just get very frustrated, partly due to your previous situations you described, remember she’s NOTHING special. your aim is to have a good time at your birthday party, don’t let her ruin it. go do something fun and relaxing and forget about all these, and when you think of it again, ask yourself if you really want her to go and decide there n then, no second thoughts. you got some gret advices here already, use them wisely. have fun. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 5:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/54 "2008-09-14T05:25:35Z")
> [@Intensity](#): > > Honestly bro, you are thinking way too much. > > You just gotta go with what you normally wear, what makes you feel confident. Wear what you know works, or else all night if things don’t go your way, you’re going to be thinking to yourself, “Is it me… is it the phero’s… did I OD… how come she’s not talking to me… should I talk to her now… am I playing too many games… or maybe not enough game… man, I can’t believe I’m playing games… I need a drink… should I get a drink… should I get her a drink… damn, I spilled my drink… did she see me… I hope she didn’t see me… etc…” Remember: This is _your_ tree and she is just another squirrel tryin’ to get a nut. OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![theperv584](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theperv584/32/890_2.png) [@theperv584](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theperv584)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 5:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/55 "2008-09-14T05:30:18Z")
I am not too good in advice for this case but I’d just like to wish you all the best! Plus Happy Birthday! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TBrady12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e0b2c6/32.png) [@TBrady12](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TBrady12)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/56 "2008-09-14T06:40:23Z")
fail fail ---
**Author:** ![Tenant](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tenant/32/1668_2.png) [@Tenant](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tenant)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 6:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/57 "2008-09-14T06:42:17Z")
Yeah, OoooYyaahh described my underlying reasoning in his post. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 12:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/58 "2008-09-14T12:05:27Z")
Ok, if plan A doesn’t work, go to plan B. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2008, 12:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/59 "2008-09-14T12:37:21Z")
There’s tons of great advice in this post! I hope you have fun with whatever decision you make here and have a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! Pheromonally I’d go with the one already mentioned by someone else: Some [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) or A314, some -nols and some IShine… I’d skip all -none products. ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 5:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410/60 "2008-09-15T05:10:03Z")
**Happy birthday PHATSOUNDS 😃** There are a tons of great advice so i dont think i can add anything more useful than those 🙂 Hope you are feeling better Let us know how the party went! [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phatsounds-in-dilemma-now-lady-tisha-steveo-my-phero-buddies-or-anybody-help/19410.md?page=4)