# Phero color chart by MuskCloud: a visual guide to choosing mixes **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 30, 2007, 8:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833 "2007-01-30T08:53:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2007, 10:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/21 "2007-04-01T22:40:55Z")
> [@Holmes](#): > > Very helpful! Thanks for this. > > I’d love to see a chart for putatives/experimones someday. I considered doing that for the original charts, but dropped the idea. The grid threatened to grow too large to be of any use. I would have to produce some kind of 3D cube instead, which I don’t think my spreadsheet can do. Putatives are experimental and unproven, therefore I can’t nail down their effects. Also, there isn’t enough data on the effects of combining the P and MX series with the standard line. Having a mass of white in your grid indicating that there’s no data for that combo makes the grid look amateurish and incomplete. Everyone seems to stick with a few of the putatives and ignores the rest. P79, P80, and [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) for example. Not surprising, seeing the explosive reports they get when used alone and in combination, but the rest appear to be ignored or covered very lightly on the forums. If they ever make it into Androtics’ standard lineup, I’ll include them in a new grid. But not until then. Thanks for the feedback. It’s always appreciated and makes the effort worthwhile. 🙂 Musk ---
**Author:** ![Ontrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/82dd89/32.png) [@Ontrose](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ontrose)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 8:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/22 "2007-04-02T20:52:45Z")
Wow! Great Chart! Just one question from a newbie… Where can I get Turn up the heat? um… nevermind duh ---
**Author:** ![justanotherhornyteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecd19e/32.png) [@justanotherhornyteen](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justanotherhornyteen)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2007, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/23 "2007-04-07T15:45:02Z")
what if we want multiple results? ie: i would like social, dating and sexual prowess? ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2007, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/24 "2007-04-07T16:10:51Z")
> [@justanotherhornyteen](#): > > what if we want multiple results? ie: i would like social, dating and sexual prowess? The best all-rounder for that situation would be Ammunition. Specifically, Ammunition version 1.5. It’s softer than 1.0, but maintains the sexual edge while being good for social and dating. Lor is the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) queen on these boards. Look for any of her posts if you have questions about it. Musk ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2007, 4:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/25 "2007-04-07T16:18:42Z")
Also if you are insistent on mixing try and work out the social interactions you want in your head before application: Do you want social interactions with a bit of sexual tension? In an instance like this you might use more of a [social pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) like Instant Openness/Instant Honesty/IS paired with a smaller amount of sex phero like -none. It really depends what you are going for. If not into mixing and at the early stages you should try Ammo like Muskcloud says. Best all round. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 2:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/26 "2007-05-07T02:45:55Z")
This thread is a great idea! Could we update this with new Experimone and Putatives? If we don’t want to conditionate people, we could only add pheroproof or some others… Thank you all! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/27 "2007-05-08T17:56:07Z")
> [@capone](#): > > This thread is a great idea! Could we update this with new Experimone and Putatives? If we don’t want to conditionate people, we could only add pheroproof or some others… > > Thank you all! 😉 I could, but I’ve made the decision to only include the standard Androtics lineup for reasons I explained above. I’ll be watching with interest for any of the MX or P series making it past the experimental stage. It was only intended for beginners, who generally won’t be into the experimentals at first. Musk ---
**Author:** ![rollercoaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rollercoaster/32/2361_2.png) [@rollercoaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rollercoaster)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 3:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/28 "2007-05-28T15:38:58Z")
how come neither “[Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/)”,“Dirty” nor “Raw Power” have been tested with anything els..? ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/29 "2007-05-30T20:25:31Z")
> [@rollercoaster](#): > > how come neither “Instant Jerk”,“Dirty” nor “Raw Power” have been tested with anything els..? They will overpower all other pheros in a mix, with just one component amped up to mad scientist levels. Some pheros are just designed to be used alone, to blare out one fixed message with foghorn intensity. Androtics has suggested combos on its website, but I’ve almost never come across users who report using the above in combo mixes. I’ve been using the real-world reports as data, and not the sales blurb, alluring though it is. Musk ---
**Author:** ![rollercoaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rollercoaster/32/2361_2.png) [@rollercoaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rollercoaster)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/30 "2007-05-30T20:32:39Z")
ah, yea, that makes sence =) ---
**Author:** ![ilv4nos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ilv4nos/32/1033_2.png) [@ilv4nos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ilv4nos)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 12:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/31 "2007-06-25T12:04:45Z")
Yes this is extrememly helpful…cool ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 2:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/32 "2007-06-25T14:31:06Z")
re IJ, Dirty, [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) > [@MuskCloud](#): > > They will overpower all other pheros in a mix, with just one component amped up to mad scientist levels. Some pheros are just designed to be used alone, to blare out one fixed message with foghorn intensity. > > Androtics has suggested combos on its website, but I’ve almost never come across users who report using the above in combo mixes. I’ve been using the real-world reports as data, and not the sales blurb, alluring though it is. > > Musk Data Point - Ive used IJ with a314 successfully in business situations. Usually one to-go spray on ij. I don’t have the other two but they’re basicly -none and I would expect similar results to what I get with IJ and TUTH. I’ve also used IJ and tuth at low levels as components for mixes in social situations, with good success. ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 5:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/33 "2007-06-25T17:42:49Z")
> [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > re Instant Jerk, Dirty, Raw Power > > Data Point - Ive used Instant Jerk with A314 successfully in business situations. Usually one to-go spray on Instant Jerk. I don’t have the other two but they’re basicly -none and I would expect similar results to what I get with IJ and Turn Up The Heat. > > I’ve also used IJ and Turn Up The Heat at low levels as components for mixes in social situations, with good success. Thanks for that, Gone. One more for the updated file. Anyone else report similar effects with these combos? Musk ---
**Author:** ![PhilipJFry](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/philipjfry/32/861_2.png) [@PhilipJFry](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhilipJFry)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2007, 12:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/34 "2007-07-05T12:57:38Z")
Wow… Turn Up The Heat really stands out 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2007, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/35 "2007-07-13T17:31:03Z")
> [@PhilipJFry](#): > > Wow… Turn Up The Heat really stands out 😃 So does A314. You can see why people use it as the foundation for a lot of mixes. Every colour on the chart is in A314 somewhere. Musk ---
**Author:** ![UNION](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UNION](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UNION)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2007, 4:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/36 "2007-07-15T04:49:06Z")
Thank you very much. This is very good info for people like me who are starting out! ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2007, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/37 "2007-07-24T16:31:55Z")
Just a question about the chart, has anyone noticed more sexual effects from mixing Ammo+[Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) than with Ammo alone? I have version 1.0 of Ammo and have noticed that Instant Shine tames the -none making Ammo less sexual (at least in my opinion and experience) and more social (specially reducing -none bad effects in men). In fact, Ammo 1.5 has TAA and 1.0 hasn’t, has it? And 1.5 is recognized to be more social than 1.0. Shouldn’t we update the chart? or have you really noticed more sexual effects from mixing Ammo+Instant Shine than using Ammo alone? I have tested it a lot trying to find that effects and haven’t. What’s your opinion about this? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2007, 4:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/38 "2007-07-24T16:36:49Z")
> [@capone](#): > > Just a question about the chart, has anyone noticed more sexual effects from mixing Ammo+Instant Shine than with Ammo alone? I have version 1.0 of Ammo and have noticed that Instant Shine tames the -none making Ammo less sexual (at least in my opinion and experience) and more social (specially reducing -none bad effects in men). > > In fact, Ammo 1.5 has TAA and 1.0 hasn’t, has it? And 1.5 is recognized to be more social than 1.0. > > Shouldn’t we update the chart? or have you really noticed more sexual effects from mixing Ammo+Instant Shine than using Ammo alone? I have tested it a lot trying to find that effects and haven’t. > > What’s your opinion about this? 😉 Eh, it would take a while to make a new chart and we need more. . ‘evidence’. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2007, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/39 "2007-07-24T16:38:39Z")
> [@changazn](#): > > Eh, it would take a while to make a new chart and we need more. . ‘evidence’. That’s why I ask for opinions about 1.0+TAA thingie… ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2007, 4:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833/40 "2007-07-24T16:43:50Z")
There was a post about the ammo thingy a few weeks ago, Ill see if I can find it. > [@Which is better Ammo 1.5 or Ammo 1.0 plus P93 (MX171)?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-is-better-ammo-1-5-or-ammo-1-0-plus-p93-mx171/4472): > > I wanted to know if anyone have tried [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) “Any Version” and P93. Or anyone who knows the difference between Ammo 1.0 and 1.5. Hopefully a description with dosage and not a one word explaination. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-color-chart-by-muskcloud-a-visual-guide-to-choosing-mixes/1833.md?page=3)