# Phero For Politics **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 12, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-for-politics/8247 "2008-01-12T15:43:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 9
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 11:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-for-politics/8247/9 "2008-01-14T11:40:01Z")
More tests on the P83/A314 combination as an attempt to increase ‘personal power’ posted just last month by Capone. Great work from him to try this out for us - I gave him reps anyway! It is interesting that he says things like “I think it complements very well, IMO [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is more emphatetic than purely social so it does not lessen the admiration effect of A314”, and “[With p83] I have had extra cordiality and some more friendliness but with respect, it seems like if I was a great man mixing with the normal people and I have chosen you for talking so you must try to make me happy (respect like with A314 alone but without shyness and unnaccesible effect but definitely with full admiration, it’s like if I highered his level not like if I lowered mine).” Also he says “I like to imagine it like if you had some long years ago friend and you don’t want to dissapoint him doing something bad, or like if you had just met a beautiful girl and you feel a special connection that you don’t want to fuck (the connection, not the girl 😉) saying nonsenses, and you are worried about what you should do or say. It’s that kind or effect.” On a potentially sour note to any political contenders thinking of going out door-knocking with the P83/A314 combo, Capone says the following: **“In meetings/presentations, for example, I think people would do an applause because they don’t want to break the connection they think they have with you but, if the decision were to be made with a secret vote system (they can say anything without fear to lose empathism with you) it would not be too much advantage because people will know that there is no risk of getting you upset personally.”** > [@P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367): > > Has anyone tried P83 specifically for the ‘increased focus on the wearer’/auditory sensitivity/‘energy sensitivity agent’ effect (okay its hard to understand I think). I would think it would be useful when wanting to convince others, when wanting to sell something to them (even an idea), and when wanting others to be further focused on your A314 presence. I am not talking about the ‘sexual’ type hits that this putative can bring with it but rather flat out using it as a way to further increase … Capone (December 2007): "When [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) arrived home I started using it with A314 and maybe a little betanol for work. I usually notice some envy feelings from other man when using A314+Beta Androstenol and **mixing it with p83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) made the mix a little more social and people react more in the way “He’s an alpha man, but when I talk to him I am not frightened, he considers him almost a friend, an equal, and i am not an equal” so he cound end doing us a favor to compensate this, using A314 and betanol only it was more social in other way, more like “he’s an alpha but when I talk to him he’s much superior to me, he’s forgiving my life, why am I talking to him?”, and normally ended in some commentaries about how “high I am”.** Anyway I stopped using it after a week because of a very sexual hit on a female coworker. Visionary \*\*IMHO, **p83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/))** can be used por empathism and that could convince people that they think the same as you, but used for men that’s ok. \*\*The problem comes when used in women, the tiniest (very very tiny) sexual insinuation (let’s say a longer look) could end in sexual arousement in a work enviroment (I must say sometimes girls are only suddently hot but they don’t have to necessarily relate it to you and go search her husband). So it should be worn keeping this in mind if your targets are women. Just an opinion, maybe it could be used without -none, let’s say only -Androsterone instead of A314 for avoiding this? \*\*PD: My dose was 12.5mcg and 25mcg \*\ ***p83** ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) (don’t remember how much i worn when sexual hits happened) + 3 x A314. Maybe using less we get more women emphatogen than sexual effects?" Capone (December 2007): "…**I think it complements very well, IMO p83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) is more emphatetic than purely social so it does not lessen the admiration effect of A314 (though [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) ([Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)) does but they talk too much, and that’s more power for you in certain cases). I have had extra cordiality and some more friendliness but with respect, it seems like if I was a great man mixing with the normal people and I have chosen you for talking so you must try to make me happy (respect like with A314 alone but without shyness and unnaccesible effect but definitely with full admiration, it’s like if I highered his level not like if I lowered mine).** **I think [P83] would be useful in certain enviroments where people must feel a connection between you and them and they do things for you because they want to mantain and not lose that connection and being happy with you.** Though no phero is going to make nobody to spent a million dollars in a house if it is not needed, this could possibly make a difference. **In meetings/presentations, for example, I think people would do an applause because they don’t want to break the connection they think they have with you but, if the decision were to be made with a secret vote system (they can say anything without fear to lose empathism with you) it would not be too much advantage because people will know that there is no risk of getting you upset personally.** **I like to imagine it like if you had some long years ago friend and you don’t want to dissapoint him doing something bad, or like if you had just met a beautiful girl and you feel a special connection that you don’t want to fuck (the connection, not the girl 😉) saying nonsenses, and you are worried about what you should do or say. It’s that kind or effect.** [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is better in this effect than [p74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) because IMO [p74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) tames a lot the respect thing in A314 with that cool vibe (i only tested it three days and didn’t like how it combined with A314, at least for working). I do not have any [EST](https://phera.com/) for testing, sorry. **The betanol part of the equation in my test is important, at least for me, to tame the shyness of talking to you because of the big-respect thing in A314, if they don’t talk a lot, they don’t really feel that “special connection” between us, so I use Instant Honesty ([Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)) so they can blabla a little about things they should not have said with our real friendship level so they can imagine helped by p83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) there’s a connection betweet us because we share some personal or secret thingies.** I must say I have noticed this bondness effect only with men, women seem to be affected normally by A314+Instant Honesty but not from “connection-83”, and if they are, they confuse things and feel that connection IMO with -none and your high vibe, like if there is special love or something. It only happened once, enough (it was a partner’s girlfriend), so I can’t say it’s a fact. Maybe using with -Androsterone alone or +p93 or [androstadienone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) women take off their guards and could be more affected by bondness-83?? We should try it a little. …For me it was a big problem in a work environment but, we should try the effect without -none inside the mix and try to explain that girl that we both have a strange friendship connection, nothing sexual, but special and see if [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) could be used for friendliness with women (I think it can, i blame -none in mix but I may be wrong, just a theory). …It would be a very interesting experiment, if Mharris/Jasmin could read this to make a new experimental mix with all other pheros in A314 but with [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and without any traces of -none (or a smaller quantity). Maybe new A314 already has [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) in it? Don’t think so because of the distancing effect of A314 but we do not really know… Anyway I am almost sure -none in A314 is needed for complementing that intimidation factor and other facts of A314, so maybe we could try to find an equilibrium? …I had a to go of mx158 (if i remember well) so it was 12,5mcg per spray and never used more than 25 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) because i was experimenting at work and I try to be sure and start from above, after a week more or less and using two sprays I had this female problem and I stopped using it (ain’t testing anymore there with [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), at least in that mix, ☹). It was not the other part of the mix because I have tested it for months there. **I always sprayed the mix half an hour before needed so I must say those big effects and girl hit were in the 2hours barrier, in fact into the first hour.** I don’t have any [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) left, because I used it with much success in a disco-sexual-mix but I would surely try a little more at the office next time I buy in Androtics store and continue this experiment 🙂 (i will buy [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) for sure, but I have found it more useful in attraction mixes, maybe an opinion 😉). Has anyone had problem at work with [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)? Visionary? Thank you for your recopilations, by the way, IMO they have really boosted the [putative](https://a314.com/) investigation in this forum. 🙂" Capone (December 2007): "I use a similar disco mix in ingredients (±none) but a much lower dose, i think one day i will megadose on everything on the mix except -none and see what happens, it’s only that I have very few pheros left and Christmas is a bad time for being without pheros (not much money to buy more and a lot of good situations where experiment with them)… **I must say p83 ([Experimental Pheromone P83 - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/p83/)) has really surprised me, much more than \*\*p79 ([https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/))**, for example, or at least its effects seem more consistent. \*\* Liked [p74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) very much but only tested a togo, next buy is [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)+p74 for sure and… maybe PheroProof again (dreaming is free). 😉 PS: Thank you Visionary for your -Androsterone+p83 extracts, they’re great for trying to understand this." --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-for-politics/8247)._