# Phero Noob would like advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 14, 2012, 12:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858 "2012-06-14T12:48:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Phatnezz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/df705f/32.png) [@Phatnezz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phatnezz)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 12:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/1 "2012-06-14T12:48:33Z")
Hi guys, I’m new to the pheromone screen. Would like some advice from the pros. Here’s a little about me, 23 year old asian male. I would like to use [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) to make myself more attractive / have more sexual attractiveness to women. Almost 2 weeks ago, i’ve received Chikara pheromone. Judging from reviews on love-scent, that was a safe bet to put my money on. I really haven’t noticed anything. First day I got it, my buddies wanted to go to the strip club and it did not seem like it worked. Girls would just ask if i would like a dance, but never actually sit down and talk like they do to other guys. That night I did 2 sprays before coming in, but that was 3-5 hours after my most recent spray. Not sure if i OD’d or not. Since then I have not noticed anything different, i’m already a pretty social guy. I would like your tips on what i should get or mix with C7. I’m thinking of doing c7+a7 or c7+npa. I would like more of something that would help with attraction. But i’m opened to all suggestions on mixing/mixtures you guys would recommend or ditching c7 and getting something different. Main goal is to attract asian/white women around my age group. Much gratitude guys! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/2 "2012-06-14T13:25:53Z")
Best thing you can do is to have a read of this: [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934) Then repost on your own thread in the Intro Forum, with just a little more info about yourself - that way we can offer better advice and you get the GC to start-off. Or hopefully a mod will move this thread. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 1:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/3 "2012-06-14T13:28:58Z")
> [@Phatnezz](#): > > Hi guys, > > I’m new to the pheromone screen. Would like some advice from the pros. Here’s a little about me, 23 year old asian male. I would like to use pheromones to make myself more attractive / have more sexual attractiveness to women. Almost 2 weeks ago, i’ve received Chikara pheromone. Judging from reviews on love-scent, that was a safe bet to put my money on. I really haven’t noticed anything. First day I got it, my buddies wanted to go to the strip club and it did not seem like it worked. Girls would just ask if i would like a dance, but never actually sit down and talk like they do to other guys. That night I did 2 sprays before coming in, but that was 3-5 hours after my most recent spray. Not sure if i OD’d or not. Since then I have not noticed anything different, i’m already a pretty social guy. I would like your tips on what i should get or mix with C7. I’m thinking of doing c7+a7 or c7+npa. I would like more of something that would help with attraction. But i’m opened to all suggestions on mixing/mixtures you guys would recommend or ditching c7 and getting something different. > > Main goal is to attract asian/white women around my age group. > > Much gratitude guys! Thats because Chikira is not designed to make girls want to sit down and talk with you. Its designed to attract them to you so you can make a move. Seems it did its job they asked you to dance. If you want them to talk to you get IO or IH to use with it. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Phatnezz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/df705f/32.png) [@Phatnezz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phatnezz)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/4 "2012-06-14T14:08:16Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Best thing you can do is to have a read of this: > > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934) > > Then repost on your own thread in the Intro Forum, with just a little more info about yourself - that way we can offer better advice and you get the GC to start-off. > > Or hopefully a mod will move this thread. 🙂 Thanks, just introduced myself 🙂 > [@tisha23](#): > > Thats because Chikira is not designed to make girls want to sit down and talk with you. Its designed to attract them to you so you can make a move. Seems it did its job they asked you to dance. If you want them to talk to you get IO or IH to use with it. > > Tisha Well than again that’s their job to. If attraction was really there, i believe they would want to converse a little. Other than a single “would you like a dance”/leave. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/5 "2012-06-14T14:28:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Well than again that’s their job to. If attraction was really there, i believe they would want to converse a little. Other than a single “would you like a dance”/leave. Well of course it takes two to have a conversation and it worked according to his post “girls asked him to dance” However he is questioning why the product (chikra) was not producing the effect he desired. Its because he is using the wrong product to get the job he expected done. You cant expect mones to do all the work for you. Perhaps after the dance he went quiet and they felt uncomfortable or insecure. We dont know but the socials along with Chikra will add comfort and get them both conversing. Then he can take it from there. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Phatnezz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/df705f/32.png) [@Phatnezz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phatnezz)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 2:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/6 "2012-06-14T14:47:55Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Well of course it takes two to have a conversation and it worked according to his post “girls asked him to dance” > > However he is questioning why the product (chikra) was not producing the effect he desired. Its because he is using the wrong product to get the job he expected done. > > You cant expect mones to do all the work for you. Perhaps after the dance he went quiet and they felt uncomfortable or insecure. We dont know but the socials along with Chikra will add comfort and get them both conversing. Then he can take it from there. > > Tisha Enlighten me on what the product is suppose to assist me with? I don’t expect the mones to hand me stuff on the silver platter. I did my part to converse and perhaps you did miss the part where I said they just walked off. I just used the whole strip club as an incident I had with c7, but this thread is not about discussing that incident. Have used it every other day, and have seen probably zero effects. Not sure why you are using “he” when you quoted my post. Would make more sense if you replaced “he” with “you”, unsure why you are talking in a 3rd person view. after any dance, i was not quiet. I actually showed interest. Is there a reason to why you think they would be uncomfortable or shy? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/7 "2012-06-14T16:20:13Z")
I’m Sorry didnt mean to use you in the third person LOL. Happens when your talking to more then one person at a time. My Bad. > [@](#): > > Enlighten me on what the product is suppose to assist me with? You want to get them to stick around and talk to you more. IO or IH will help with that. Lots of people mistakenly think that because we call a product social it lacks the ability to attract or arouse Socials are actually more appealing to a women because we look for that feeling of comfort and connection. With guys its more visual and with women its more emotion driven. If we don’t feel that click it doesn’t matter how good looking you are or how masculine your signature. Layer something like IO or IH with Chikera will help create that click. Of course you have to help it along but it will make it easier. Oh just in case you are unfamiliar with IO and IH. IO helps open people up, feel comfortable, Its attractive and fun. IH is a bit deeper, it help open people up but its more intimate and connecting. Evokes a feeling of trust and security. Now C7 has anol which is the primary in IO but many times especially for younger men you need to buffer the masculine mones a bit more then whats in the product already. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Phatnezz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/df705f/32.png) [@Phatnezz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phatnezz)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/8 "2012-06-15T07:04:00Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I’m Sorry didnt mean to use you in the third person LOL. Happens when your talking to more then one person at a time. My Bad. > > You want to get them to stick around and talk to you more. IO or IH will help with that. Lots of people mistakenly think that because we call a product social it lacks the ability to attract or arouse Socials are actually more appealing to a women because we look for that feeling of comfort and connection. With guys its more visual and with women its more emotion driven. If we don’t feel that click it doesn’t matter how good looking you are or how masculine your signature. > > Layer something like IO or IH with Chikera will help create that click. Of course you have to help it along but it will make it easier. > > Oh just in case you are unfamiliar with IO and IH. > > IO helps open people up, feel comfortable, Its attractive and fun. > > IH is a bit deeper, it help open people up but its more intimate and connecting. Evokes a feeling of trust and security. > > Now C7 has anol which is the primary in IO but many times especially for younger men you need to buffer the masculine mones a bit more then whats in the product already. > > Tisha Great, thanks for the feed back tisha! I’ll look more into it. So you would say use c7 + IO +IH? Also what do you think about a314? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 9:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/9 "2012-06-15T09:25:20Z")
You are in your early 20s whilst A314 is a very mature/status signature that can work against you if you are unable to drive the interaction forward. It also may come-off as too serious/severe/standoffish or even “dad” like around younger women. You do get the odd exception of course but generally younger ones go for a more social mix of pheros with less emphasis on none. Very overt phero mixes like NPA are liable to come-on too strong/actually repel them unless wel moderated with socials. It will make your life easier if you think on using something lighter like IO, IH and/or IS, with IG for a status feel that will sit much better with your age. Also, there is a known issue with Asian women and sensitivity to Androstenone - They tend to respond more positively to Androsterone (IG/A314) with a very small amount of none. Also, I must say that IME the most attractive thing to most strippers is a very large wadge of cash. All other “attraction” considerations are secondary. ---
**Author:** ![Phatnezz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/df705f/32.png) [@Phatnezz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phatnezz)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2012, 12:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/10 "2012-06-15T12:21:47Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > You are in your early 20s whilst A314 is a very mature/status signature that can work against you if you are unable to drive the interaction forward. > > It also may come-off as too serious/severe/standoffish or even “dad” like around younger women. You do get the odd exception of course but generally younger ones go for a more social mix of pheros with less emphasis on none. Very overt phero mixes like NPA are liable to come-on too strong/actually repel them unless wel moderated with socials. It will make your life easier if you think on using something lighter like IO, IH and/or IS, with IG for a status feel that will sit much better with your age. > > Also, there is a known issue with Asian women and sensitivity to Androstenone - They tend to respond more positively to Androsterone (IG/A314) with a very small amount of none. > > Also, I must say that IME the most attractive thing to most strippers is a very large wadge of cash. All other “attraction” considerations are secondary. I would first off like to thank you for your knowledge and advice. I ordered IS, IH, turn up the heat, IO, and ammo. From your experience what mix would be a good combo to start off on those with? I’m sure mixing all 5 of them would be a bad idea haha. Also may you go into more detail of Asian’s and androstenone? You think my c7 might have too much NONE that will put them off? Apologies if i have any dumb questions, i’m quite new to this. What you think about using a314 at work? I work with alot of older guys, and i’m some what of an intern from the way they look at me. I believe benefits with a314 would help me, correct me if i’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/11 "2012-06-16T09:53:46Z")
[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and IS for general socialising would be my suggestion for starting out. Or TUTH and IO (with maybe IS) if you are going to a club or somewhere raunchier. IH/IS can also be used in place of IO here. Yes, Chikara is pretty overt - at my **very** rough calculation (so if someone knows better, please correct me!), it has a phero content not far off 2x Ammo per spray, which is not really advised until you are well into your 30s/pushing 40. This may be a tad too much for a teenager/early 20s woman unless she has a major old-guy thing. If you are using that, keep the dose to the bare minimum and moderate well with socials/IS - That should help get the age-bar down a bit. There are many threads discussing the Asian none/rone thing here, so really you would be better to search as there is much more than I can write here - and you get the benefit of many other guys experience too. But very broadly, Asian women tend to respond better to less none and more rone. And IG has just the bright, social and engaging rone formula that is most likely to affect someone around your age best. A314 is indeed good at work, and even at your age it will carry qualities that will help you - Again, start with a low dose or you run the risk of making people edgy about your trying to take over their jobs etc. I would also say that the oil excels here - far more than the sprays but if you want to try, the /b version is closest in impact. 🙂 Yes, don’t mix everything together. Too many pheros (esp instants) in a mix can result in the proportions of certain pheros getting out of balance in a mix and muting the effects of other components and overall, the signal can just get too complex - IME, most times it is the most simple and direct signal that works best. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![chress93](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5e9695/32.png) [@chress93](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chress93)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/12 "2012-06-16T17:13:17Z")
I have two questions, I ordered AMMO the other day, love the scent, but I need a good place to test it. I was thinking a bar or club? Also, I was thinking about ordering A314 for business and more daytime uses. I’m 6ft. 2in, and I don’t know if adding A314 would make me intimidating. Maybe I should purchase IO or IS to go with it? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![chress93](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5e9695/32.png) [@chress93](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chress93)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/13 "2012-06-16T17:20:57Z")
Or perhaps IG? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 11:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/14 "2012-06-16T23:21:43Z")
Ammo is good for everyday wear so you can use it just about anywhere. TUTH on the other hand is geared more towards sexually charged environments like clubs, bars, parties, dates, etc etc. A314 could make you more intimidating. It doesnt have anything to do with your height though it can do that in a guy who is 5’6 just as well. Its how you interact with people while wearing it that will make it intimidating or not. You could wear IO or Ishine to soften the vibe or just make eye contact, smile, have open body language and approach people more. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![chress93](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5e9695/32.png) [@chress93](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chress93)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2012, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/15 "2012-06-16T23:42:14Z")
Thanks for the advice Tisha, much appreciated ---
**Author:** ![Phatnezz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/df705f/32.png) [@Phatnezz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phatnezz)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/16 "2012-06-17T23:45:50Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Ammo and IS for general socialising would be my suggestion for starting out. > > Or TUTH and IO (with maybe IS) if you are going to a club or somewhere raunchier. IH/IS can also be used in place of IO here. > > Yes, Chikara is pretty overt - at my **very** rough calculation (so if someone knows better, please correct me!), it has a phero content not far off 2x Ammo per spray, which is not really advised until you are well into your 30s/pushing 40. This may be a tad too much for a teenager/early 20s woman unless she has a major old-guy thing. If you are using that, keep the dose to the bare minimum and moderate well with socials/IS - That should help get the age-bar down a bit. > > There are many threads discussing the Asian none/rone thing here, so really you would be better to search as there is much more than I can write here - and you get the benefit of many other guys experience too. But very broadly, Asian women tend to respond better to less none and more rone. And IG has just the bright, social and engaging rone formula that is most likely to affect someone around your age best. > > A314 is indeed good at work, and even at your age it will carry qualities that will help you - Again, start with a low dose or you run the risk of making people edgy about your trying to take over their jobs etc. I would also say that the oil excels here - far more than the sprays but if you want to try, the /b version is closest in impact. 🙂 > > Yes, don’t mix everything together. Too many pheros (esp instants) in a mix can result in the proportions of certain pheros getting out of balance in a mix and muting the effects of other components and overall, the signal can just get too complex - IME, most times it is the most simple and direct signal that works best. 🙂 First off i would like to thank you Mobo, for explaining/answering all my questions. Oh and Trisha too 🙂 I must agree on you about the C7, I’ve wore it this past weekend and was getting little to no looks. Hits i would get are from older women, i used 2 sprays 1 neck/ 1 wrist. Today i used 1 spray on the lower part of my neck around my collar bone (was wearing a V-neck), and dab my fingers to spread it behind my ears. That seemed to work well, but once again got a hit from an older lady. I believe I should use half of a spray and apply same spot I used today would probably be best. Would you say AMMO is the same as C7? I got the regular version of ammo, my main goal is to attract Asian gals. I was thinking about using AMMO as part of my regular mix. But according to your post they would attract older women, and has more NONE in it and Asian girls respond more to RONE? I would like to attract Asian/white girls around my age 19-24. It seems like IS should be used as an icing on the cake, with whatever mix i come up with. Would that be a good idea? Lets say AMMO + IS + IH. Also would this be mixing too much pheromones for a date/club AMMO + TUTH + IS + IH / IO? I brought IO, IH, TUTH, IS, AMMO and it should be arriving tomorrow. A recommendation to a mix/ratio as a starting point for me would be greatly appreciated. I was thinking AMMO + IS + IH for hanging out with friends/female acquaintances and AMMO + IS + IO for meeting new people. 1-2 (most likely 1) shot of AMMO to chest/neck area. 1-2 (most likely 2) spray of IO or IH. 1-2 on forearm or 1 on my hair, but i fix my hair a lot not sure if it would make it wear off. 1-2 (most likely 1) spray of IS around my neck. Would do 2nd spray on forearm if it’s OK to mix IO/IH together on the same spot. From what I’ve have read, and have concluded. IO / IH are pretty much similar. IO should be used to meet random/new people. But if you are already an acquaintance with a person, you should use IH instead. Correct me if i’m wrong. Also would it be OK to mix those 2 together? ---
**Author:** ![Phatnezz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/df705f/32.png) [@Phatnezz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phatnezz)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/17 "2012-06-17T23:47:29Z")
Double posted. ---
**Author:** ![Phatnezz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/df705f/32.png) [@Phatnezz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phatnezz)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2012, 11:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phero-noob-would-like-advice/55858/18 "2012-06-17T23:50:46Z")
Triple posted.