# Pheromone advice for fixing a screw-up **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 3, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-advice-for-fixing-a-screw-up/66574 "2016-11-03T16:09:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Styr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/styr/32/5195_2.png) [@Styr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Styr)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-advice-for-fixing-a-screw-up/66574/1 "2016-11-03T16:09:51Z")
I screwed up with this girl, and any advice how I can salvage this [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/)-wise or by other means is appreciated. Had a date last Sunday with this gorgeous petite 20-23 girl in her early twenties (some 10 years younger than me). It was actually the second date with her, the first being a cup of coffee and dessert at a rather fancy restaurant a week-and-a-half ago. She is from a small town at the countryside, so she was quite impressed, and gave me a small hug, saying he had not hugged anyone for a long time. So we met up for the second date - this time she gave me a big hug -, and I took her for a walk in the Old Town, visiting several viewing platforms in the darkness, where we talked vaguely about going hiking together in the future (as she is a girl who loves nature), until taking her to my fraternity rooms where we could sit down in private. We played a game of table ice-hockey, which she knew nothing about, but was rather thrilled afterwards. Sat down after that, and let her do the most talking, until I slowly started touching her hair, neck, the ears, while she was giggling. I took her hand, and she would not let go once I did so. She then told me that she was not expecting any romance in her life, but we continued on, mostly in silence for quite some time, until SHE leaned in for a short kissing session. We spent a bit more time with her resting on my shoulder. She actually apologized for there being a silence for too long. She said that she should go home, but we stayed, cuddling for some 30 more minutes, when she brought that up again. So I stood up, and she followed me. I accompanied her to her bus, and on the way there she said, that I am very nice to talk to and to be with, and she is not interested in taking this any further, asking me whether I was very upset about it. So I told her (jokingly) that this was the worst thing to have happened to me today. I had purposefully not added her on Facebook, and when I was on my way home I got a call from her, asking for my Facebook, and if she could add me, so we could be better in contact. I received her friend request shorty after, but waited until in the morning, to accept it. The mix I used with her on the second date was as follows: > [@](#): > > 1 X Ammo > 1 X IH > 1 X P75 > 1 X P79 On the first date I used Ammo and IO instead, with a hint of P131, and when we first saw each other, and at a later time when I approached her, I used 1 x Ammo and IO. I will not contact her for at least two weeks, unless she does so first, as I am not interested in being friends with her, or appear needy and chase her. What mones would you recommend to use, if I were to see her again? ---
**Author:** ![Styr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/styr/32/5195_2.png) [@Styr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Styr)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-advice-for-fixing-a-screw-up/66574/2 "2016-11-03T18:32:51Z")
I was wondering if IJ +IS would work. With me being more proactive and congruent with the vibe, of course? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-advice-for-fixing-a-screw-up/66574/3 "2016-11-03T18:58:53Z")
Sounds like you did ok to me - the only thing you coud have done better is to have conveyed you were ok with her keeping it no-strings for now. Sounds to me she was fishing for freedom to go much further so long as its not going to be awkward/serious for her. You may like her but IME only a vanishingly small amount of women are turned-on (or relaxed)/bunny-boiler enough to consider gettng into something after a second date. IJ and IS might well be useful in getting her in a more proactive frame of mind but she is young, so it could go either way - I’d keep that for the most uninhibited date you can manage and if she already responded well to your second date mix why not tweak that a bit with some IO or IS and maybe a little more [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) or even TUTH to increase the sexual proportion only to see where that goes. Otherwise, P96 is the mone most notable for its emotional “reset” effect and yes I have found it usefu around younger women and hefty sexual mixes - So it is certanly i nthe frame. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Styr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/styr/32/5195_2.png) [@Styr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Styr)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-advice-for-fixing-a-screw-up/66574/4 "2016-11-03T21:04:39Z")
Thanks, Mobocaster. 🙂 I am wondering, however, how many sprays one could effectively use without the scent being too noticeable. I used to put on 5-6-7 sprays 2-3 years back on a regular basis, until my cousin told me that she could smell the scent - and I only had like 3 or 4 sprays on at that time, altough it was a rather small room. Also, I am a bit at a loss what is the major difference between TUTH and IJ? As for P96, I have always wanted to get my hands on that one, but I believe it was not available the last time I checked. And unfortunately this is the case today, as well. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-advice-for-fixing-a-screw-up/66574/5 "2016-11-03T23:07:59Z")
That’s why I’m suggesting TUTH - which is in [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) scent, so it won’t upset the scent balance with your existing Ammo dose - however it will increase the sexual element nicely. The difference is dose and steering. IJ has 12.5mcg on None and more abrasive/forward steering, compared to TUTH with 2.5mcg of None (same as Ammo) and a more determinedly sexual steering, so its probably much more managable/scalable/steerable dose-wise.