# pheromone cloud stealing and AMOG (alpha male of the group) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 27, 2008, 2:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674 "2008-01-27T14:07:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 2:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/1 "2008-01-27T14:07:36Z")
I have experienced this quite a few times that I’m really careful about what kind of social situations I insert myself into. the consistency of this ‘transference’ happening is quite high that I’ve concluded the following: if you wear [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/), whether -none heavy type or -Androstenol heavy type or balanced or whatever, and you enter a social situation where there are other alphas present, if you don’t act as alpha or more alpha than them they WILL STEAL YOUR PHEROMONE CLOUD AND BENEFIT from it, leaving you in the dust. men or women CANNOT, I repeat, cannot distinguish the source of the pheromone cloud in close proximity and will attribute it to the individual exhibiting the closest matching behavior. hell, even AFOG (alpha female of the group)can steal a pheromone cloud just as fast as an AMOG. one example is when I went to dinner with my gf and her sister and a couple friends, the sister is better at socializing(storytelling skillz) than my gf and she ended up talking up a storm and having everyone paying their full attention to her, mesmerized. she probably didn’t realize what was happening except that she was having a good time and enjoying the attention. with AMOG, there are already many incidents of users reporting a male friend suddenly getting all the hits and IOIs from nearby females so I don’t need to elaborate further. tho I do want to point out that when the pheromone stealing starts taking place, it’s inevitable that the user starts feeling unsure of himself in the social situation and that just speeds up the ‘transference’ cuz the artificial pheromones are enhancing and broadcasting the ‘fear’ and ‘insecure’ vibes all over the place. so basically by the time you realize what’s happening it’s already too late. so it’s really a double edged sword. I find that when I put myself in the right social situations where I’m likely to be the dominant alpha the pheromones will go in overdrive and hits will happen one after another without me having to do much initiating. I don’t really have to watch my body language or my attitude because they all flow naturally. 🙂 in situations where I’m not the dominant alpha, the pheromones stealing effect happens almost immediately. and no amount of body language adjusting or attitude demonstration or conversation acrobatics will make much difference because they come out unnatural and fake. so I think on top of behaving congruently to the mones your wearing, it’s also important to choose the right kind of social environment b4 you dive in, make sure it’s one that’s to your advantage and the mones will literally ‘do all the work’ for you. pick the wrong one and they will betray their master and stick one in your back good and fast. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 2:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/2 "2008-01-27T14:34:19Z")
I have an alpha friend I spend a lot of time with and this happens from time to time. First (and I have posted on this) if I pump up my 'none signature too high, he will pick up on it (subconsciously I think) and try to re-level the playing field. Second, I am married so I am not looking to meet women (as is he) but he will play off of the alpha vibes of my pheromones. Interesting observation. Good for you. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/3 "2008-01-27T17:23:45Z")
Great observations Jojobiz! ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/4 "2008-01-27T18:07:36Z")
Leadership is an interesting concept, and one not always easily grasped. The natural leader of a group may not be the one talking the most, nor the one on whom the attention of the group is focused most of the time. In fact, these people may be competing for the attention of a quiet leader. A single word or statement from a leader may have a profound effect. The other members of the group may then vociferously discuss and debate the issue, appearing to make a decision among themselves. But they often come down on the side the leader made apparent. I think there may be a tendency among many to mistake loudness or attention seeking for attributes of an “alpha” leader. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/5 "2008-01-27T18:14:59Z")
JoJo Interesting observation, cant say that I totally agree with it though. Approuch it this way. When your out with a group or in a group can another person steal your **natural** mone signature. No they can not. Why because your mone sig is only 10% of the picture and because humans just like animals can zero in on where the signature is coming from just like when someone wears perfume or has BO. We know who it is instinctively. Its how mones work Worn correctly to the skin people will know exactly who the vibe is coming from. I mention skin because I have found that it meshes with my own natural mone sig and makes that sig uniquely mine. It gives you an edge but dosnt mean that people wont be attracted to those around you. There is visual perception and compatibility to factor in as well. If a women is attracted to say your friend who is standing next to you and he is not wearing mones while you are it does not mean he has stolen your mone signature. It means that those other factors of attraction are at play as well. I think your confusing “stealing a mone cloud” with being effected by mones. Your girl friend was effected in a positive manner by your mone sig making her feel comfortable openning up more. She didnt steal your Mone sig. No one can steal your Thunder unless you allow them to which brings me to your second point which I agree with. > [@](#): > > so I think on top of behaving congruently to the pheromones your wearing, it’s also important to choose the right kind of social environment b4 you dive in, make sure it’s one that’s to your advantage and the pheromones will literally ‘do all the work’ for you. pick the wrong one and they will betray their master and stick one in your back good and fast. I agree, being congruent is very important with mones. Especially something like A314. Still being congruent will not guarantee success. There are to many other factors to add into attraction. This is why we all say they just give you a edge the rest is up to the wearer. I have worn mones for a few years now and androtic products for a year. Never has anyone stolen my signature. It would be like saying someone stole my personality. It cant be done it is mine and mine alone. Everyone may not be attracted to it but thats just human nature. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 6:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/6 "2008-01-27T18:54:05Z")
hmm yes, valid points Tisha. I suspect the frequency of my experiencing ‘pheromone cloud stealing’ effect could be due to the fact that I prefer applying most of my mones on clothing instead of skin, so in effect they are sort of generic and not really ‘unique’ to me, not having meshed with my own natural mones as you pointed out. could be why people nearby have trouble locating the source. my pheromone cloud is literally up for grabs in the air. tho, in terms of detecting BO or perfume I think it’s easier to track because our noses can actually detect the scent trail and follow it like bread crumbs to the source. where as pheromones are supposed to be subliminal and thus harder to pinpoint. at least that’s been my experience. 🙂 ah, it’s my gf’s sister who ‘benefited’ from my mones, not my gf. my gf was listening to her sister tell stories along with the rest of us. the sister has always been socially adept and had no problems opening up - the alpha female of the group - it felt as if she just vacuumed up all the CTTM2 I had on to fuel her stories. I felt so ripped off lol. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/7 "2008-01-27T19:09:55Z")
Jojo, look back at the gfs sister and her stories a second. Was she telling the stories to the group and ignoring you? Was she treating you as part of the group? Or. was she telling you the stories and also paying attention to the group? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/8 "2008-01-27T19:17:27Z")
> [@](#): > > ah, it’s my gf’s sister who ‘benefited’ from my pheromones, not my gf. my gf was listening to her sister tell stories along with the rest of us. the sister has always been socially adept and had no problems opening up - the alpha female of the group - it felt as if she just vacuumed up all the Come Talk To Me Mix 2 I had on to fuel her stories. I felt so ripped off lol. 😛 Ah Ok I see, I think the pheromones just enhanced her already strong personality. Was that the only pheromone you wore ? I wonder if the same situation would have different results if you wore [Come Talk To Me](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) Mix 2 and say a alpha respect pheromone at the same time around her. If you go out with them again that would be a interesting test. > [@](#): > > tho, in terms of detecting BO or perfume I think it’s easier to track because our noses can actually detect the scent trail and follow it like bread crumbs to the source. where as pheromones are supposed to be subliminal and thus harder to pinpoint. at least that’s been my experience. 🙂 I agree, It is easier to pinpoint something that we consiously smell but only because your consious of doing it. But sub consiously detecting and processing pheromones is natural instinct to us, we do it without even knowing it all the time. I do think what you mentioned though about congruency and enviroment are extrememly important factors in how pheromones will work for you. Its the difference between success and failure with pheromones. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/9 "2008-01-27T19:22:26Z")
I had another thought about ‘stealing the pheromone signature’. yes, it’s impossible to steal another individual’s personality, but I believe it’s possible to benefit from their pheromones, natural or artificial. for example, if an attractive alpha male with good looks and good genes were to wear a tshirt for a couple of days, then take it off and let a less attractive beta male wear the shirt, without the presence of the alpha male, the females that come in contact with the beta male will assume the ‘scent’ is coming from him. and if the beta male behave congruently to the alpha male tshirt’s ‘pheromone signature’ he’s likely to reap the benefits and befriend the females. where as normally the females won’t consider the beta male as a potential mate and no interaction would occur. I remember reading some literature about how the merchants back in ancient Rome would gather the sweat of the most ferocious gladiators right after they won a match and bottle it and sell it as aphrodisiacs. 🙂 my theory is that women are genetically designed to be attracted to alpha males. (to ensure superior genes in offspring) so in a social gathering with alpha and beta males present, women will naturally assume that the intoxicating scent is coming from the alpha males. (since that’s been their general experience in life - pavlov effect?) ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/10 "2008-01-27T19:29:42Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Jojo, look back at the gfs sister and her stories a second. > > Was she telling the stories to the group and ignoring you? > Was she treating you as part of the group? Or. > was she telling you the stories and also paying attention to the group? hmmm…let’s see. no, she wasn’t rude or ignoring in any way. she was telling the stories to the group as a whole and being a good entertainer. Tisha’s right, my mones just enhanced an already strong aspect of her personality. I still think she ‘stole’ my mones and thunder tho lol. I’m gonna ask her for my money back. (kidding)😃 ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/11 "2008-01-27T19:35:25Z")
i think we can detect who smells like what very well. just thinking about standing next to a group of people from personal experience i know who smells good or bad just as well as seeing who’s short or tall, or who’s fat or skinny, or who’s wearing a smooth shirt vs a rough textured one. i would imagine that since pheromones are subconscious one would have an even easier time determining the source, the conscious thoughts generally just get in the way and confuse us from the real picture most of the time. i guess what im trying to say is that i dont think that someone acting the part of the pheromone mix that you are wearing will benefit from your cloud by the means of stealing it. the girl will still feel your presence as drawn by your phero’s, and she will know perfectly well whom it’s coming from. the other guy, however, still has all his stuff going for him and she sees that too. if he’s “got it”, then he’s got it, and in almost any situation. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/12 "2008-01-27T19:37:06Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Ah Ok I see, I think the pheromones just enhanced her already strong personality. Was that the only pheromone you wore ? I wonder if the same situation would have different results if you wore Come Talk To Me Mix 2 and say a alpha respect pheromone at the same time around her. If you go out with them again that would be a interesting test. I had on A314, Edge, NPA, CTTM2, EST and IS. that’s my regular day to day combo. tho I recently started testing unscented Chikara from LS and from the mind blowing results so far I think I might have just found that extra oomph I’ve been looking for my mix. it seems to boost the original mix’s effect double fold - more respect, more talking, more attention, more sexual tension, just..more. I’d like to test this new mix with Chikara with my gf’s sister again hehe. bring it on! ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/13 "2008-01-27T19:45:48Z")
> [@comradmax](#): > > i think we can detect who smells like what very well. just thinking about standing next to a group of people from personal experience i know who smells good or bad just as well as seeing who’s short or tall, or who’s fat or skinny, or who’s wearing a smooth shirt vs a rough textured one. i would imagine that since pheromones are subconscious one would have an even easier time determining the source, the conscious thoughts generally just get in the way and confuse us from the real picture most of the time. hmm I think my VNO is broken cuz I can’t do that. I can only detect conscious scents. I’ve never giving much attention how people smell, I’m largely visually oriented. (of course unless they have horrible BO) I did have 2 nasal surgeries to correct overgrown turbinate tissues so I could breath better, but that was pretty recent. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/14 "2008-01-27T19:54:51Z")
Not sure on the T shirt therory. Prehaps it could work but something just dosnt seem to connect for me on this one. Worth a test but your own scent wouldnt mesh with it still. > [@](#): > > I remember reading some literature about how the merchants back in ancient Rome would gather the sweat of the most ferocious gladiators right after they won a match and bottle it and sell it as aphrodisiacs. 🙂 Yes the very first pheromones. People have known about them for a very long time. Ferocious Gladiators Yum LOL > [@](#): > > my theory is that women are genetically designed to be attracted to alpha males. (to ensure superior genes in offspring) so in a social gathering with alpha and beta males present, women will naturally assume that the intoxicating scent is coming from the alpha males. (since that’s been their general experience in life - pavlov effect?) I agree with this, we are attracted to the alpha male but not just the High alpha. Every one in the group cant be the High alpha. If you study Alpha and Beta Personalities you will see there are many different levels in the pack. The High Alpha, The alpha/beta, The low alpha the list go’s on. Its interesting to see how all these factor into attraction. A women wont assume that a scent is coming from a Alpha we are not consiously aware of his pheromone sig or scent unless we use pheromones and are made consious of it. Its like… ever sit in a crowded room and suddenly the hair on the back of your neck stands up and you know someone else just entered the room. You turn to look and you see the Alpha walk in. Its instinct you just know. You knew something before you turned around but once you did congruency with his sig immediately points out who he is. Now suppose your sitting there and a bunch of Alphas walk in together. There will be only one High Alpha in the group. Women may or may not be attracted to him. Some will find him intimidating. But at this point visual perception is kicking in and women will go for the alpha that appeals to them visually and socially the most. Very interesting subject I have been interested in it for a long time now I could go on and on LOL. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/15 "2008-01-27T20:18:30Z")
I have noticed extremely bossy women–ultra alpha–have difficulty with true alpha males. Too much conflict and power plays. So they go for pussy whip type guys. For example, it’s common for female nurses to marry beta males so they can boss them around. Seen it many times. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/16 "2008-01-27T21:19:30Z")
> [@jojobiz](#): > > I had on A314, Edge, NPA, Come Talk To Me Mix 2, EST and IS. that’s my regular day to day combo. > > tho I recently started testing unscented Chikara from LS and from the mind blowing results so far I think I might have just found that extra oomph I’ve been looking for my mix. it seems to boost the original mix’s effect double fold - more respect, more talking, more attention, more sexual tension, just..more. I’d like to test this new mix with Chikara with my gf’s sister again hehe. bring it on! why are you using Edge & NPA at the same time? Edge is the same as NPA, just less concentrated… ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 10:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/17 "2008-01-27T22:00:09Z")
> [@](#): > > I have noticed extremely bossy women–ultra alpha–have difficulty with true alpha males. Too much conflict and power plays. So they go for pussy whip type guys. For example, it’s common for female nurses to marry beta males so they can boss them around. Seen it many times. True I have noticed this as well. My husband is a high alpha in most enviroments, I am also Alpha but not a Alpha and I notice Im secure enough to step into the roll of Beta to his Alpha very easily so there is no conflict. My Best friend who is male is also a Alpha, so was his EX but she would never step into the roll of beta or low alpha and they argued constantly. I dont know about female nurses, in my area they normally try to go for the doctors and they can go either way Beta or Alpha but I notice it with female teachers alot. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Holmes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/holmes/32/2128_2.png) [@Holmes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Holmes)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/18 "2008-01-27T22:30:40Z")
> [@jojobiz](#): > > I have experienced this quite a few times that I’m really careful about what kind of social situations I insert myself into. the consistency of this ‘transference’ happening is quite high that I’ve concluded the following: > > if you wear pheromones, whether -none heavy type or -Androstenol heavy type or balanced or whatever, and you enter a social situation where there are other alphas present, if you don’t act as alpha or more alpha than them they WILL STEAL YOUR PHEROMONE CLOUD AND BENEFIT from it, leaving you in the dust. > > men or women CANNOT, I repeat, cannot distinguish the source of the pheromone cloud in close proximity and will attribute it to the individual exhibiting the closest matching behavior. > > hell, even AFOG (alpha female of the group)can steal a pheromone cloud just as fast as an AMOG. one example is when I went to dinner with my gf and her sister and a couple friends, the sister is better at socializing(storytelling skillz) than my gf and she ended up talking up a storm and having everyone paying their full attention to her, mesmerized. she probably didn’t realize what was happening except that she was having a good time and enjoying the attention. > > with AMOG, there are already many incidents of users reporting a male friend suddenly getting all the hits and IOIs from nearby females so I don’t need to elaborate further. > > tho I do want to point out that when the pheromone stealing starts taking place, it’s inevitable that the user starts feeling unsure of himself in the social situation and that just speeds up the ‘transference’ cuz the artificial pheromones are enhancing and broadcasting the ‘fear’ and ‘insecure’ vibes all over the place. so basically by the time you realize what’s happening it’s already too late. > > so it’s really a double edged sword. > > I find that when I put myself in the right social situations where I’m likely to be the dominant alpha the pheromones will go in overdrive and hits will happen one after another without me having to do much initiating. I don’t really have to watch my body language or my attitude because they all flow naturally. 🙂 > in situations where I’m not the dominant alpha, the pheromones stealing effect happens almost immediately. and no amount of body language adjusting or attitude demonstration or conversation acrobatics will make much difference because they come out unnatural and fake. > > so I think on top of behaving congruently to the pheromones your wearing, it’s also important to choose the right kind of social environment b4 you dive in, make sure it’s one that’s to your advantage and the pheromones will literally ‘do all the work’ for you. pick the wrong one and they will betray their master and stick one in your back good and fast. EXCELLENT post. [Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) cloud stealing, as you put it, is a HUGE potential monkey wrench. It is SO important to act the part. To “be the miracle” (in the words of Dr. Swill). Especially when there are other guys around who might naturally be more worthy of your pheromone cloud than you are. People will scan the room, looking for the one who most fully embodies their idea of the best representative of that mighty alpha cloud, and if your attitude and affectations ain’t all that, then you probably ain’t it. ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 2:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/19 "2008-01-28T02:46:41Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > why are you using Edge & NPA at the same time? Edge is the same as NPA, just less concentrated… I use Edge for clothing applications b4 I go out the door, then I use NPA for touch up and refreshing on the go. I know they are the same but for some reason I get better results using them together lol, probably just in my head. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2008, 3:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674/20 "2008-01-28T03:03:42Z")
> [@Holmes](#): > > EXCELLENT post. Pheromone cloud stealing, as you put it, is a HUGE potential monkey wrench. > > It is SO important to act the part. To “be the miracle” (in the words of Dr. Swill). Especially when there are other guys around who might naturally be more worthy of your pheromone cloud than you are. > > People will scan the room, looking for the one who most fully embodies their idea of the best representative of that mighty alpha cloud, and if your attitude and affectations ain’t all that, then you probably ain’t it. it’s a huge huge monkey wrench. sometimes it’s quite difficult to “act as if” when there are too many other superior alphas present. the simplest solution is to join social situations that are more aligned with one’s element. the mones act like a winner takes all reward system. (no surprise there, like everything else in nature) it’ll seek out the alphas and tip the scale of battle to them. rich get richer, poor get poorer etc. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-cloud-stealing-and-amog-alpha-male-of-the-group/8674.md?page=2)