# Pheromone Estratetraenol

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [March 17, 2008, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108 "2008-03-17T18:55:57Z")\
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**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\
**Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/1 "2008-03-17T18:55:57Z")

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Can anyone enlighten me as to why [Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) Estratetraenol, EST is only available in the 50mcg and higher? I don’t think I want to spend $90. ☹

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**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\
**Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/2 "2008-03-17T19:05:22Z")

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You can always just buy a bunch of Realm Men and bathe in it.😮

Its hard finding an estratetraenol product with that level of concentration. I forgot the exact amount of it found in Realm Men, but I want to say it was in the 2mcg-5mcg range (per spray). Taking that into account, its somewhat reasonable. The only reason I don’t pick up any is because I still have a ton of Realm and I don’t use estratetraenol that much in my mixes anymore.

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**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\
**Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/3 "2008-03-17T22:54:20Z")

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My Estratetraenol notes

\*\*There’s more info in the Ladies Forum, I think, but this is what I saved. I like the “I wanna protect” vibe it’s suppose to give. Haven’t tested mine yet. 🙄

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\*\*\*\* \*\*Dont understimate [EST](https://phera.com/). At low dosages, it has a calming, mildly cuddly effect on men. At high dosages, it causes pheromonal reassessment and bonding. Ive found at least 5 shifts in effect at different dosages and suspect that i wont know what the real effect is until i can try a brutal amount of it (which i cant reasonably afford). 1mg (1000mcg), if it doesnt require a strong cover, may cause involuntary action and affection. Ive noticed getting to the 300-500mcg point, people defend me (female too, but especially men) when anyone disagrees with me.

Its like soft affection. Definitely not love or lust. In fact, i think it makes sexual responses less likely. Try brutal [EST](https://phera.com/) with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/):P86:TAC. Try brutal [EST](https://phera.com/) with heavy [MX102](https://pheromonelabs.com/)/MX103/MX203 and [TAC](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/). As long as you keep a natural progression, things that feel comforting are heavily welcomed.

With heavy [EST](https://phera.com/), women hold my hand or take my arm and guide me places instead of giving directions. They hug me way too long and seem very empathetic, almost in tears sometimes, VERY attuned to my emotional responses and mood swings…protective. Lots of touching, a need to keep me happy. Cuddling comes easily. But its sweet, no sex push at all, and if you try to inject one, the buzz goes away in a heartbeat. If you could pull a woman in with [EST](https://phera.com/), then change to [MX102](https://pheromonelabs.com/):TAC:P86, she would just flow into making love to you. It wouldnt be animal sex, but it would be incredibly deep romantic yearning. This is soft focus, water beaded on the glass shower door, scented oil on natural breasts, not pushy but undeniable. [EST](https://phera.com/) has a tremendous amount of liquid pull to it. Think of the song Linger by the Cranberries. Its that thousands-of-soft-kisses kind of feeling. If you go from that to Give it to Me Baby, the mood just shrivels up and dies.

IM RICK JAMES, #\*%@$!

\*\*\*\*\*\* Tater has been thinking about [EST](https://phera.com/) a bit more. Its definitely the trigger for making people protective and want you to be happy. Checking my notes, the consistent thing i got from women at higher dosages was being highly in touch with my emotions, watching me, guarding me. People surrounded me, as though they were my bodyguards.

Wind’s point may be that men are supposed to go into “protect” mode with low dosages of [EST](https://phera.com/). Whats weird is that [EST](https://phera.com/) doesnt feminize and has such a long range. Guys from across the room will come over and be purposefully nice (protective).**(MADISONTATE)**

\*\*\* Aside from the uplifting effects that [EST](https://phera.com/) has, [EST](https://phera.com/) seems to facilitate communication and interaction with others. People just seem to genuinely enjoy being around you and talking to you, and you feel genuinely more open to those around you…its kind of a hard phenomenon to describe, but once they get in your general vicinity, its like they don’t want to leave. I also find myself speaking up more often in class, and striking up casual conversation with strangers.

At times it feels like [EST](https://phera.com/) actually enhances the effects of other [pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/estratetraenol/204#), at least the effect that they have on me. I really can’t confirm that though. I used to wear 2 sprays, but 3 sprays has been more beneficial. One day I should go all out and wear 5 sprays just to see what really happens.

\*\*\* I haven’t observed any overtly sexual hits that couldn’t be attributed to other [pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/estratetraenol/204#) I was wearing, though I wouldn’t say its anti-sexual either. I’d say that [EST](https://phera.com/) is very much an opportunistic pheromone, as people (men and women) seem to want to be around you while wearing it. Women seem to be really into to me while I’m wearing [EST](https://phera.com/); they seem to be enjoying themselves.

A lot of the effects I’m seeing with [EST](https://phera.com/) are consistent with what I saw with Realm, though far more pronounced.**(SIGMA 27)**

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**Author:** ![Godhand](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/godhand/32/2378_2.png) [@Godhand](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Godhand)\
**Post date:** [March 17, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/4 "2008-03-17T23:31:18Z")

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> [@M\_M](#):
>
> \*\*There’s more info in the Ladies Forum, I think, but this is what I saved. I like the “I wanna protect” vibe it’s suppose to give. Haven’t tested mine yet. 🙄
> 
> =============  
> \*\*  
> \*\*\*\* \*\*Dont understimate [EST](https://phera.com/). At low dosages, it has a calming, mildly cuddly effect on men. At high dosages, it causes pheromonal reassessment and bonding. Ive found at least 5 shifts in effect at different dosages and suspect that i wont know what the real effect is until i can try a brutal amount of it (which i cant reasonably afford). 1mg (1000mcg), if it doesnt require a strong cover, may cause involuntary action and affection. Ive noticed getting to the 300-500mcg point, people defend me (female too, but especially men) when anyone disagrees with me.
> 
> Its like soft affection. Definitely not love or lust. In fact, i think it makes sexual responses less likely. Try brutal [EST](https://phera.com/) with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/):P86:TAC. Try brutal [EST](https://phera.com/) with heavy [MX102](https://pheromonelabs.com/)/MX103/MX203 and [TAC](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/). As long as you keep a natural progression, things that feel comforting are heavily welcomed.
> 
> With heavy [EST](https://phera.com/), women hold my hand or take my arm and guide me places instead of giving directions. They hug me way too long and seem very empathetic, almost in tears sometimes, VERY attuned to my emotional responses and mood swings…protective. Lots of touching, a need to keep me happy. Cuddling comes easily. But its sweet, no sex push at all, and if you try to inject one, the buzz goes away in a heartbeat. If you could pull a woman in with [EST](https://phera.com/), then change to [MX102](https://pheromonelabs.com/):TAC:P86, she would just flow into making love to you. It wouldnt be animal sex, but it would be incredibly deep romantic yearning. This is soft focus, water beaded on the glass shower door, scented oil on natural breasts, not pushy but undeniable. [EST](https://phera.com/) has a tremendous amount of liquid pull to it. Think of the song Linger by the Cranberries. Its that thousands-of-soft-kisses kind of feeling. If you go from that to Give it to Me Baby, the mood just shrivels up and dies.
> 
> IM RICK JAMES, #\*%@$!
> 
> \*\*\*\*\*\* Tater has been thinking about [EST](https://phera.com/) a bit more. Its definitely the trigger for making people protective and want you to be happy. Checking my notes, the consistent thing i got from women at higher dosages was being highly in touch with my emotions, watching me, guarding me. People surrounded me, as though they were my bodyguards.
> 
> Wind’s point may be that men are supposed to go into “protect” mode with low dosages of [EST](https://phera.com/). Whats weird is that [EST](https://phera.com/) doesnt feminize and has such a long range. Guys from across the room will come over and be purposefully nice (protective).**(MADISONTATE)**
> 
> \*\*\* Aside from the uplifting effects that [EST](https://phera.com/) has, [EST](https://phera.com/) seems to facilitate communication and interaction with others. People just seem to genuinely enjoy being around you and talking to you, and you feel genuinely more open to those around you…its kind of a hard phenomenon to describe, but once they get in your general vicinity, its like they don’t want to leave. I also find myself speaking up more often in class, and striking up casual conversation with strangers.
> 
> At times it feels like [EST](https://phera.com/) actually enhances the effects of other [pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/estratetraenol/204#), at least the effect that they have on me. I really can’t confirm that though. I used to wear 2 sprays, but 3 sprays has been more beneficial. One day I should go all out and wear 5 sprays just to see what really happens.
> 
> \*\*\* I haven’t observed any overtly sexual hits that couldn’t be attributed to other [pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/estratetraenol/204#) I was wearing, though I wouldn’t say its anti-sexual either. I’d say that [EST](https://phera.com/) is very much an opportunistic pheromone, as people (men and women) seem to want to be around you while wearing it. Women seem to be really into to me while I’m wearing [EST](https://phera.com/); they seem to be enjoying themselves.
> 
> A lot of the effects I’m seeing with [EST](https://phera.com/) are consistent with what I saw with Realm, though far more pronounced.**(SIGMA 27)**

Sounds interesting. I never knew that the effects of EST got that extreme at high doses. One reason that I’m not that big into EST is that I tend to start out on the Rick James vibe, hence my love for heavy-none mixes that are balanced just enough to stop Charlie Murphy from kicking me in my chest.😃

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**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\
**Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 12:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/5 "2008-03-18T00:06:25Z")

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I first used EST about 5 years ago when I bought men’s Realm. Pretty subtle to say the least. Probably nearer no zero reactions as far as self-medication or other folks were concerned.

A couple years back I bought chemset EST from LS and played with it until most of the bottle was empty. I can’t say my experiences even approach Tater’s lofty ascent. Of course none of mine do. Even in high doses EST proved to be mellow and mildly relaxing. Good counterpoint to androstenone but I prefer a more gregarious buffer like alpha nol. I thought EST might be useful in controlling stage fright for students. Alas EST was mostly an interesting footnote in my phero adventures. I’ll spend my $90 elsewhere next time around.

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**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\
**Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/6 "2008-03-18T02:33:38Z")

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> [@Godhand](#):
>
> Sounds interesting. I never knew that the effects of EST got that extreme at high doses. **One reason that I’m not that big into EST is that I tend to start out on the Rick James vibe, hence my love for heavy-none mixes that are balanced just enough to stop Charlie Murphy from kicking me in my chest.** 😃

GH, sometimes a change in tactics can work miracles. 😉 It’s like this friend I have, everyone knows what to expect as for his dress … khakies and a Nautica shirt … no matter what the season is. Just a thought, and a comparison.

G, I have the feeling, from reading what the ladies have said, Androtics EST may have a different type of response than the chem set.

Since I’m no pro, I could be sooooooo very wrong. 🙄

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 12:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/7 "2008-03-18T12:35:21Z")

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I believe this pheromone is one they have to get from a outside source and since the most requested amount was 50mcg per spray thats what they offered. EST is very expensive and hard to get. Plus it works best at about 150 MCG’s so 50mcg is ideal. If they offered lower it would still be high in cost and you would need more sprays to get the desired effect.

> [@](#):
>
> G, I have the feeling, from reading what the ladies have said, Androtics [EST](https://phera.com/) may have a different type of response than the chem set.

Androtics est is chemset est just in dosed sprays. 50mcg per spray = a 10MG bottle of est. It will of course act differently on men then on women as it is made by pregnant females. Its not a sexual mone as much as its a coddling attentive mone. Course you can turn it sexy by using some sexual type mones with it but most people both male and female are getting a simular response. Its a very interesting mone to try and I think worth the investment for both men and women.

Tisha

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**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\
**Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/8 "2008-03-18T17:32:08Z")

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thanks for the info guys. Didn’t expect this much info. 😃

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**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\
**Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 6:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/9 "2008-03-18T18:47:20Z")

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Thank you Zeph for starting this thread. I was really interested to this too. Yeah, I’d like to test this Phero too, but that price scares me… I hope more boys will test it and to see the results :-)!!!

See ya

Franz

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**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\
**Post date:** [March 19, 2008, 9:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/10 "2008-03-19T09:24:53Z")

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Some old research of mine on Estratetraenol is pasted in below. Like others noted the expense is a problem, but it is definitely a ‘top line’ pheromone with consistent and useful effects IMHO (along with P74, possibly P79, P83, P93, the Androstenols, Androsterone, Androstenone, Androstadienone, etc). Oh and as you can see below it affects women too not to mention the fact, as Tater has noted somewhere else, that it is one of the few mones that actually smells good…

[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/13](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/13)  
tacitus (July 8, 2006):  
“…OTOH I’ve also observed that good old EST ([https://phera.com/](https://phera.com/)) will add a super friendly, approachable, initmate vibe to the proceedings… [EST](https://phera.com/) is like a powerful sweetener… I’ve seen women literally get up and start dancing around saying the most outrageous uninhibited stuff in the presence of [EST](https://phera.com/) and [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)… hard to believe we are looking at **millionths of a gram** here…”

[More Estratetraenol feedback](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-estratetraenol-feedback/301/17)  
tacitus (July 12, 2006):  
"

**The [EST](https://phera.com/) blathers versus the b-Androstenol blathers**  
[EST](https://phera.com/) has resulted in a couple of downloads of highly unfiltered mental material.. without the deep revelatory mind flushing of b-Androstenol… [EST](https://phera.com/) can produce the state of high rapport, or perceived high rapport, that the blatherer can just go off saying anything and everything that comes to mind **without fully checking in with the blatheree** …(this is where your **NLP Calibration Skills can come in mighty handy** , pardner) this of course is higher tinctures of [EST](https://phera.com/)… for general purposes I would keep the dose restrained around 20 [mu](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) until you are sure you like what behaviors you are experiencing… and for goodness sake don’t use to much when you go to a warmed up bar scene **unless you want to hear in glorious surround sound every thought, opinion, reflection, mental itch scratching, inner rumble, cliche, and platitude that person has been storing up in his or her head for just this occasion…** I am coming to the idea that there should be therapeutic blather bars with special acoustics and psychologists floating around handing out canapes and wholesome advice while the blather-noviates take great whiffs of [EST](https://phera.com/) and disgorge their entire psyches for the room to behold…"

[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/54](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476/54)  
tacitus (July 21, 2006):  
“…EST ([https://phera.com/](https://phera.com/)) on the other hand is a flat out empathogen, people can feel understanding and well understood and at ease, sometimes so at ease they forget to censor their behavior…”

[More Estratetraenol feedback](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/more-estratetraenol-feedback/301/8)  
sigma (April 24, 2006):  
"From what I can tell about [EST](https://phera.com/), it seems to put everyone around you in high spirits - works great as a social pheromone. The effects seem similar to that of the effects of [Androstadienone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) on women, though not as intimate or personal…more energetic, but “chilled”. One thing that I noticed today while wearing it, is that it creates a very ‘carefree’ mood on the people around you, as well as seeming to make people want to be around you. I grabbed a large table for myself and a friend at a starbucks on campus to finish up a paper for one of my classes, and before I knew it, I had 5-6 of my friends sitting at the table with us. One of the girls ended up skipping her class (lol).

The downside is I’ve had trouble getting my paper started..and feelings of being ‘carefree’ sometimes feel like feelings of ‘apathy’. The girl who hung back to study with me only now started seriously getting any studying…we spent the last two hours BS’ing around…and I, instead of finishing my paper, got side-tracked by this forum, and ended up posting this very entry. I could be just looking for something to attribute my end of the semester slump though.

[Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/)+EST gave me a bigger high than IS+EST. From what I can tell, [EST](https://phera.com/) seems to enhance the social benefits of both [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) and IS"

[Estratetraenol](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/estratetraenol/204/43)  
sigma (May 1, 2006):  
"Aside from the uplifting effects that [EST](https://phera.com/) has, [EST](https://phera.com/) seems to facilitate communication and interaction with others. People just seem to genuinely enjoy being around you and talking to you, and you feel genuinely more open to those around you…its kind of a hard phenomenon to describe, but once they get in your general vicinity, its like they don’t want to leave. I also find myself speaking up more often in class, and striking up casual conversation with strangers.

At times it feels like [EST](https://phera.com/) actually enhances the effects of other pheromones, at least the effect that they have on me. I really can’t confirm that though. I used to wear 2 sprays, but 3 sprays has been more beneficial. One day I should go all out and wear 5 sprays just to see what really happens.

Has anyone else tried [EST](https://phera.com/)?"

\*([I'm a pheromone newbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/im-a-pheromone-newbie/696/2))  
sigma (September 24, 2006):  
“…[Estratetraenol](https://phera.com/) is a great [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) as well. It creates a sort of social magnetism, as well as creating an uplifted vibe. Some report that its effects are more biased towards men. I’ve noticed this to some degree, but it worked quite well overall for me…”

> [@Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/alternate-explanations-of-pheromone-overdose/5130):
>
> Hypothesis #1: Perhaps the reason that some people react negatively to large amounts of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) on another individual is a natural response to uncleanliness. Perhaps in nature that the only way a pheromone could be perceived as strong in an overdose -is if the person wearing it is particularly unclean or even “pissed themself”. This could explain the negative or neutral reactions that some people get. As someone unclean should not be perceived as a good mate. Hypothesis #2: Perhaps there …

MarkL (September 10, 2007):  
"A few nights ago I decide to stop in my favorite ‘all lifestyles circus’ bar on the way home from work. I pause outside and rustle through my rucksack … and all I find is [EST](https://phera.com/) (50mcg/spray) and [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/)(50mcg/spray) and -Androsterone 15mcg. I skip the -Androsterone and apply [EST](https://phera.com/) 8x50=400 and [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) 2x50=100 and I decide as I enter to be fairly self-contained in the bar:

- some quiet conversation with my barkeep buddy Chad

- browse a newspaper/magazine

- make some notes on a project  
Nothing particularly goal-oriented; I’m passing time, waiting constructively. I’m **not** wandering around saying hello to people I know or introducing myself to strangers; the bar is a bit on the quiet side (pop\<30) anyway. I’m observing people in the bar and make no secret of enjoying them as they do their thing; I’m not being reclusive or sending off ‘hermit signals’.  
Except for trips to the bathroom or to get popcorn, I’m sitting in my own pherocloud next to the front service counter rather than leaving a trail. I’m quiet, sipping on a large stein of Bass Ale for an hour.

Then a four-set rocks in, two gay boys (Shaun, Brian) and two girls (Lisa, Jenya). Lisa is visiting from New York, and she decides I embody the best of Chicago. If you use a stopwatch, you can measure that over the next two hours the total time Lisa is ~not~ touching me is under one minute.

Ummm … no one that I know, not even the Kinsey scale 5.999 gay boys, would throw Lisa out of bed.

The kino is great; at one point she manages to brush both of her mamms across my cheek on the way to leaning over my lap to hug another boy, Dana, who joins late.

The housecleaning we do is mental; one after another critical topic is raised, inspected, sorted, dismissed: politics to religion to economy to social mores and anthropology.

She makes it a point to tell me twice about how a policeman stopped their group while she was skinny-dipping at the beach (after the park was closed) … and how she emerged, topless, and announced to the cop that if he was going to arrest her, he better know how to show her a good time with the handcuffs on.

[![](https://pheromonetalk.com/pheromone-theory/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif) ](https://pheromonetalk.com/pheromone-theory/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)

The posse that arrived with her finally returns from the back bar (and pool tables) after about 90 minutes. They are in two modes – one is to rescue me (or Lisa) because Lisa is becoming progressively drunk, and the other, it seems, is to figure out why the hell she’s so engaged with me in the first place.

So Lisa tutors her friends on what they’ve been missing while they left her alone and too bad for them, it’s their loss. I observe that the front door to the place is only 35" wide, so please go easy on the ego inflating comments.

Now we evolve from Lisa-MarkL kino to a very fluid group hug. Brian gives me a shoulder rub that I’d have paid hard cash for, my toes curl; Shaun opens up and we’re all trading warm “open hand” touches – back, arms, chests/breasts, though Jenya is a bit more reserved. (I’ve not witnessed such a scene in this venue in three - odd years, let alone participated. Perhaps I’ve been visiting on the wrong days!

[![](https://pheromonetalk.com/pheromone-theory/images/smilies/cool.gif) ](https://pheromonetalk.com/pheromone-theory/images/smilies/cool.gif)

This lasts for about two minutes, then spins away.)

The [IOIs](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/alternate-explanations-of-pheromone-overdose/5130#) are thick .. it’s like a group flirting convention, and casual bystanders are now being sucked into the vortex.

In any case, I did not foresee that the [EST](https://phera.com/)/TAF combo would generate such a strong hit. And one that I did virtually no work for. [EST](https://phera.com/), I thought, was a “comfortable for guys” vibe, but apparently there’s more to it."

> [@Alternate Explanations of Pheromone Overdose](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/alternate-explanations-of-pheromone-overdose/5130):
>
> Hypothesis #1: Perhaps the reason that some people react negatively to large amounts of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) on another individual is a natural response to uncleanliness. Perhaps in nature that the only way a pheromone could be perceived as strong in an overdose -is if the person wearing it is particularly unclean or even “pissed themself”. This could explain the negative or neutral reactions that some people get. As someone unclean should not be perceived as a good mate. Hypothesis #2: Perhaps there …

MarkL (September 12, 2007):  
"A fuzzy (?) technical correction … uhhhmmm … I just noticed that the [TAF](https://pheromonelabs.com/) in my kit is 25 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) per spray. So perhaps I did apply 100 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) and for some reason concatenated the result into two sprays of 50 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) … or else I sprayed 2x25=50, not 100.

Apologies, at this point I don’t know which; I’d just try it at different levels in the future, but since I ‘published’ this report, I figured a qualified dosing report might matter to someone."\*

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**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\
**Post date:** [March 19, 2008, 9:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/11 "2008-03-19T09:34:02Z")

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Visionary, I love it when you post. Thanks for the info. Great work as usual. 😃

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**Author:** ![ChaseEmALL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chaseemall/32/1430_2.png) [@ChaseEmALL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ChaseEmALL)\
**Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 6:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/12 "2008-03-21T06:39:14Z")

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I agree, Visionary is like a human Google, but better.

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**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\
**Post date:** [March 21, 2008, 8:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-estratetraenol/10108/13 "2008-03-21T08:50:15Z")

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I guess that explains why so many men are attracted to pregnant women! Major fetish in many cultures.