# pheromone fried rice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [January 5, 2009, 9:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524 "2009-01-05T09:16:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 9:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/1 "2009-01-05T09:16:16Z")
new year, new start, time to start a journal, kinda hungry right now and can’t think of a better name for one 😉 **who** 22 year old asian, 5’9-10, 165 lbs with a fairly athletic build. currently working out mainly to stay fit but also to gain some mass and strength. **where** originally started out in corporate, now i’m back to school. **what** i’ll try to keep my sig updated with the products i use **why** variety of reasons: respect, better results with women, etc. all in all i had an open mind and wanted to see what pheros could help me accomplish. **when** going strong since december 22, 2008. **how** in my short time in the workforce i was looking to make a solid footing and establish good rapport with coworkers and higher-ups. back in my pre-phero days on campus i would be the guy that everyone knows. always around to help with homework, fill in for a pickup game, definitely out and about at night. i plan on being the same guy with pheros. i’ve always approached women 50% of the way and hoped they would fill in the other 50%; i’m trying to get better at this and pheros have certainly helped. **journal** i enjoy writing field and hit reports, partially because i want to contribute to the wealth of knowledge found here and partially because it allows me to run through the situation again in my head to find any areas of improvement, missed hits, etc. time permitting, i will do my best to keep this journal up to date. occasionally i’ll double post in the tips or a314 sections. i hope you enjoy reading my journal and learn from it if anything applies to you, and please feel free to let me know your comments at any time. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 9:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/2 "2009-01-05T09:17:16Z")
_originally posted jan 2, 2009._ happy new year’s all. this report is a bit long so if you have time, grab some leftover drinks and follow me on a journey of my night. to start, i based my mix off of mack’s od mix that was listed in the nye thread. it is: 3d A314 wrist and ears 5s Come Talk To Me Mix 2 hair 3s [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) neck 2s [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) neck, 1s between wrists 6s IS neck (as per the mix, plus it’s my [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) cover) 4s [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) back of neck, some residual split between wrists, .5/1s hair 2s Instant Honesty hair, 1s between wrists then 1s ammo and shine before heading out **od phero bomb? sure. easy way to run through pheros if used daily? definitely. more importantly though, did it work? i say yes.** the night started around 4:30. i was driving to meet the rest of my friends for dinner. they had been travelling all day as well so when we met, there were no hugs or high fives, just straight to the restaurant to plop down in our seats. these friends are people who graduated with me and we just now had the same schedule of free time to hang out. **one girl in particular (my age, white) took a liking to me before pheros so i wanted to try this mix out on her.** the other girls there were attached. nobody really talked at the start of dinner. perhaps it was from travelling all day, or perhaps i ghosted a bit, who knows. i sat next to the girl who likes me. slowly i start waving my arms around by passing menus down the line, “stretching,” etc. about midway through dinner i said something that made everyone laugh, and from that point on the “ice” was broken and people, with almost full stomachs, began to talk more. it was at this point i started to glance over at the girl who likes me. **it seemed as if she wanted to kino me, but couldn’t.** understandable, really. it was dinner, all of us hadn’t seen each other for a while, and we never made moves for each other before this so it would be kind of weird for her to scoot in next to me or for me to place an arm around her. regardless, her foot/leg sometimes brushed mine, our elbows touched occasionally, and she made attempts to playfully hit me but never made contact. after dinner we all headed to our cars. the girl (who i’ll call **sarah** for the sake of this story) and the people in her car forgot where they parked so i walked with them to look for their car. it was brisk outside and i walked very close to sarah, and whenever a car was coming i would nudge her gently to the side of the parking lot aisle. after the second time i did this she joked that i was trying to push her into a parked car. then i actually tried to nudge her into a parked car and she freaked out and we laughed. eventually we found the car and we rolled out from there. nothing much related to pheros in this segment, just wanted to refamiliarize myself with being around sarah and get playful again, so i didn’t have to cold-start my flirting at the club. we drop our stuff off at a friend’s house and now we’re off to the club. typical club setting with finger foods and drinks. we got a table reserved so we wouldn’t have to worry about standing room. the seating arrangement was set up bench style so once you sat down, unless there was a game of musical seats or people did the restroom shuffle, you were pretty much there the whole night. sarah takes a seat on the end and i file in immediately behind her. again i proceed to wave my arms around, this time through excessive high fives to some new people who met up with us at the club, some hugs, shuffling of jackets, passing drinks around, etc. the other side of the bench got up to get food first so sarah and i and some other guys are just hanging out on the bench. she starts a fairly basic conversation with me about my life, what’s new, etc. next thing i know, **she’s kinoing randomly, as if there was no sexual intention behind the kino.** aside from body parts brushing from sitting so close, she’s looping a finger through my belt loop (i guess this could be sexual?), “fixing” my collar, and even put her hand on my forehead once like she’s checking for a fever. **pheros kicking in? could be.** since there wasn’t a solid sexual undertone, it could’ve been that she was warming up to me too, like i did to her back in the parking lot. then something interesting happened, both as we were in a single-file line for food and while socializing around the bar waiting for drinks. sarah would throw in some sexual kino and then **nuzzle her face directly into the back of my neck.** (majority [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), residual Come Talk To Me Mix 2 and Instant Honesty) for example, she was behind me in line for food and would wrap her arms around me and then plant her face into the back of my neck. around the bar, she would throw an arm around my shoulders and sort of swing herself behind me, essentially _removing herself from the social circle_, and then proceed with the face plant. this piqued my curiosity. was it the Instant Female Magic that drew her in? was it the whole phero experience that did it? or is she just a fan of sticking her nose into the back of peoples’ necks? (let’s hope not) there’s a slight followup to this in a later section and i’ll be sure to test this more in future events. everyone was feeling good from the drinks and snacks and it was about an hour until midnight at this point so i decided to turn my sexual predator game knob up to 11. kino everywhere (knees, outer thighs, waist, a couple times basically sarah’s butt). people were packing in so we had to lean into each others’ faces to hear and speak without yelling. pheros or not, sarah was digging the whole thing. fast forward to midnight, the kiss (which sarah started a few minutes early 😛), etc. we’re just finishing up our champagne and waiting until 1 or 1:30 when some more cabs would be free. sarah began to take an interest in my neck in general, not just the back. at times i thought she was going in for a kiss but really she landed on my shoulder and necked her way up to my ear. by doing this she basically got blasted with almost everything i had on that night except for Come Talk To Me Mix 2 and Instant Honesty which were solely applied to the hair. on the other hand, if she was that close, she probably got some of those too. i think this is where her attraction/addiction/liking to pheros began. she wasn’t hammered drunk and stopped drinking after the champagne, my sexual predator game stayed at the same level, and kissing a neck/ear is fun for only so long before it’s just kissing a neck/ear, so there had to be some reason she was all about my neck. i hope it was the pheros. fast forward again to my friend’s house. sarah and i are sharing a bed for the night (first time doing so btw) and there’s two other people on an air mattress on the floor in the room we were in. she basically had two sleeping positions that night: the spooning position with my arms around her and my wrists near her face (pheros) or me on my back with her face snuggled into my chest/neck area (more pheros). **here’s the followup to the neck thing from earlier: with me on my back, every 10 minutes or so she would jam her face into my neck, take a deep whiff, and then kiss me.** i found that if i kissed her back, she would immediately snuggle into me and we’d have a mini makeout session. nothing serious and nothing too far as there were other people in the room, but fun nonetheless. if i just smiled or didn’t take action in response to the kiss, she would go back to breathing and sleeping normally until the next time she took a deep whiff. literally every 10 minutes, maybe 15-20 later in the night. by now i was pretty sure it was the pheros drawing her in. i wasn’t too concerned with status hits that night, and especially with it being new year’s eve, i didn’t expect too many problems. bouncers, bartenders, and random guys were friendly. no od side effects on any of the guys in my group. a few random hits here and there but there’s other times and places to follow up with random hits. fast forward again to this morning. we’re just hanging out in bed now, talking with the guys on the floor and whoever walked by. the kiss count had gone down from last night but there were a few snuck in occasionally. at lunch we were totally normal like we were at last night’s dinner – walking side by side, an occasional slight nudge, some playful remarks. my guess is that in addition to the pheros wearing off (and being licked off by her), the party atmosphere was gone as well and we could no longer throw on kino or game. that’s fine with me. sarah will be around and i suspect she’ll be a target in many of my field reports. as for the mix, it was definitely a once a year thing, maybe twice if there’s another really special occasion with a very high probability of success. i learned today that Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is a 50/50 mix of Instant Honesty and Instant Openness so i’ll need to retune the Come Talk To Me Mix 2/Instant Honesty portion of my normal party mix to adjust for this. as an asian, i find that i can lay on the -none a bit and not od; additionally, asian girls respond well to a bit of -none. Instant Female Magic smelled worse today than it did the first time i used it, now i see where the complaints come from. if you’re reading this, thanks for sticking with me. if you have any advice or questions, let me know. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/3 "2009-01-05T09:26:51Z")
p79, p83, and taa are on the way to me. i’m pretty excited to start testing these. on a more personal and non-phero related note, it seems that ‘sarah’ from the field report above (i’ll just keep calling her that for simplicity) has started to really like me now. she liked me before pheros and she wasn’t terribly drunk on new year’s so her feelings that night were not affected by alcohol. i think the combination of my little phero bomb and our natural chemistry put her over the top to start to actively pursue me. we’re close now and there’s a chance that we may become ‘a thing.’ while this does limit my testing on what ammo does to random girls at the club :o it does open a whole new level of ‘personalization’ for testing. this should be a fun ride, readers. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 10:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/4 "2009-01-05T10:40:31Z")
good report. keep it coming ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 10:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/5 "2009-01-05T22:56:10Z")
**finding my daily mix** i rushed a bit during my early phero stages to get a test mix out for new year’s eve but now that that’s over, it’s time to settle down and find a groove. now that i have left the workforce, i can scale back to one drop on the a314 from my usual two. it doesn’t hurt either that according to reports, girls my age usually don’t respond well to more than one drop (and there are plenty more girls now than in the office). shine is icing on the cake and i always throw in a spray of that, sometimes two if i need more immediate effect. unfortunately i ran through a bit of cttm2 during early testing and this was before i found out it’s a 50/50 mix of IO and IH so if i know there’s not going to be much socialization, i’ll hold off on that and IH as well. same goes for anything related to girls (tuth, ammo, ifm); if it’s a solid day of group meetings and nothing else, i won’t put any on. i make an exception for ammo because i like the smell. otherwise, i can always refresh any of those before going out. after showering this afternoon i put on **this mix** : 1d a314 split 4 ways (wrists and ears/jawline) 1s shine neck, then dabbed my wrist on my neck and split it that way 1s cttm2 hair while running some errands, i noticed things were going smoothly. people were friendly, smiles all around, i’m feeling pretty good… basically all the usual results from these products. i’m off to a dinner meeting here in a few minutes. depending on who is going i may top off with a spray of ammo or IH. will update at the end of the night. update and conclusion: decided on a refresher of shine. targets of interest were a milf (who i thought was single), her daughter, and an off-duty waitress. as it was a dinner gathering, it was hard to really approach anyone so i just ate my food and conversed normally. i noticed the daughter (older than 18, younger than 20) giving me glances from across the table that turned into stares later. we mingled a bit before sitting down so she might’ve caught some of my mix but i wasn’t sure; she seemed like one of those girls who just likes staring at guys. the off-duty waitress was 20 and she definitely caught my mix but near the middle of dinner the restaurant became fairly busy and she actually got up to go help for a bit and then kept an eye on the traffic throughout the rest of dinner. good to know that the mix worked but not much point in wasting a conversation on somebody who is preoccupied. better luck next time. the milf was sitting directly across from me and i didn’t talk to her before sitting down so she probably did not catch any of my mix. i threw some jokes her way and we traded glances (again, still thinking she’s single) so if there was any success, it was from conversation and not so much pheros. turns out her husband was sitting a few chairs away so i didn’t push that any further. at the end of dinner we’re all trading hugs and handshakes and two interesting things happen. i’m making my rounds when i see a flash of black appear next to me. i turn around and it’s the daughter, and she has her arms kinda stuck out in a position like she’s ready to give a hug. the look on her face then changed to ‘oh, maybe i shouldn’t’ and she extended a hand to me instead. still couldn’t read her but something must’ve got her. then i watch the milf for a bit. she’s giving basic goodbye hugs with not much contact time during each one. when she got around to me, she put one hand on my shoulder and not so much hugged me, but rather pulled herself into my collar/shoulder region. i was a bit surprised by this so my hands never really made it up to hug zone; they just fell onto her waist. i might’ve even squeezed a bit. she hugged me for a bit longer than she hugged other people. wishful thinking here, but a good ending to a good night. seems like this mix is working out well for me. i do have a to-go of ammo and it would’ve been interesting to see its effects on either the milf or the waitress. lesson learned for another time. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 11:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/6 "2009-01-06T23:34:11Z")
**finding my daily mix** almost the same as yesterday, 1d a314 split wrists and ears 1s shine neck 1s IH neck and then dabbed with wrists had to go see the doctor again today now that he’s back. normally he seems like a busy guy by the way he makes abrupt motions, quick scribbles on the charts, etc. while i didn’t need a calming effect (i know he’s not busy) i did want him to slow down a little and just talk. not talk a lot (like IO or spaceland) but just talk and not be so jerky during the visit. i think the combination of a314 and IH did the trick. while waiting for him i did my patented “flail your arms around like an idiot” move. he came in and gave a little “how are you?” without even looking up, and then he kinda paused and looked at me. from then on it was a whole different visit than usual. real smooth actions, no scribbling, he even asked me what i had in mind. also good results from the nurses, frontstaff, etc. right before typing this i got my shipment of p79, p83, and taa. included in the envelope was a toblerone from april. love it. 😃 for some weird reason, the top on the taa leaked… not where the top meets the bottle but inside and through the top itself. seems to be about 3-4.5 sprays, luckily the plastic cap trapped most of it. i cleaned it up and now my hands smell great. looking forward to testing my super secret free gift. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/7 "2009-01-08T18:18:48Z")
**testing p104, day 1** (in case my sig changes or disappears, 12.5 mcg lightly scented) **disclaimer #1:** i know nothing about this ptive other than seeing the name before occasionally. it wasn’t on my list of things to try so i never bothered to look it up but with this free to-go, i’ll give it a shot and see what happens. had to go get a haircut today so 15 minutes before my appointment i put on one spray on my neck and then dabbed my wrists there. through my testing and using i’ve found that i notice any self-effects in a short time so this was a good way to test any self-effects and still keep the spray fresh. **disclaimer #2:** i love the neroli scent. just the scent alone, regardless of what phero it is, makes me feel like a million bucks on my crappiest day. right after i spray anything i’ll feel alive and refreshed. on days when i’m using a mix i use this to my advantage; on days when i’m testing i try not to let this affect me. usually the scent effect goes away after drydown phase. it’s about 10:50 now and i’m on my way to my 11 o’clock appointment. no real noticeable self-effects yet aside from the scent effect. first i see if this is any sort of an attraction ptive so i start flirting with the girls at the front desk while my stylist is cleaning up her station and even a little with my stylist during the first few minutes of my cut. alas, flirting here gets me about as far as flirting in a strip club… i’d be surprised if these girls didn’t get hit on all day, plus i’ve been a regular for so long that it just seems weird for all parties. duly noted, and i’ll try this again in another location. next i checked for talkiness. i didn’t really notice a change in the amount or depth of conversation between me and my stylist. we usually just banter about life and work so any change would have been noticeable. i may test this again later with a higher dose but i have a feeling this is not a talking ptive. then two surprising things happened. my stylist was using the clippers and almost ran over my ear twice. she recently completed more training and has been doing hair for a while so it didn’t seem like a rookie mistake. later on while using scissors, she dropped her comb. in all my time with her these two things have never happened before. certainly more testing is required to support this but my current hypothesis is that this seems to be a relaxing/carefree ptive. unfortunately that was all i had scheduled for today aside from some clubbing tonight so i don’t think i’ll have any more chances to test this today. good first run though; luckily there were no depressing effects or anything. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/8 "2009-01-09T19:15:08Z")
**finding my social mix, focus on close attraction** hung out with sarah and the gang last night. hadn’t seen sarah since new year’s and she’s been telling me how much she wants to be around me again so knowing this, i figured i could use some close attraction mixed in with some heat to let her know i mean business. let’s read on… **the mix** 1d a314 split wrists and ears 1s shine neck 2s ifm back of neck, dabbed wrists on neck 2s ih hair, .5s split wrists 1s ammo neck 2s tuth neck, dabbed applicator on upper lip for kicks all put on about 30 minutes before leaving, 45 minutes before meeting up with sarah **the happenings** scent effect kicked in quick. my buddies met up at my place for some pregaming and then we left for the bar. on the way over we started goofing around and everyone seemed to be having fun. don’t think the alcohol had taken effect yet so i believe the ih allowed everyone to focus on having fun, and usually my buddies respond well to shine. once at the bar i leave the table to go chat up some bartenders who i hadn’t seen for a while over the holidays. i get back and sarah and her buddies are there. normally i’m not one to do extensive PDA so i walked up behind sarah and gave her a light hug and said hello. consequently she got some of my mix and i had a reason to wave my arms around to spread the ih. said hi to her friends and then left again to get a round of drinks. it is **at this point** i can say that **this is probably one of my worst mixes ever.** things _should’ve_ worked out well – i’ve used a variant of this mix before, this wasn’t an od phero bomb, and the dosage was light enough so that nothing was covered or overly aggressive. i don’t know if i ghosted or if everyone was just slow getting back into the swing of things. at the same level of drunkness that she was on new year’s, sarah didn’t show nearly the same amount of interest last night. i can kinda accept this because new year’s was a more special occasion; however, this was still interesting to note. i tried this mix out with her friends as well, also to no success. on the bright side, after the bar in private sarah was her usual self again. lots of deep whiffs around my neck area, even went around behind me to get some of the ifm. didn’t really see any effects from the ammo or tuth. she fell asleep on my arm again and kept kissing and smelling my wrist/forearm area. definitely noted this for later; perhaps one of my ptives would work well here. **help me** after reading all that, if you have an idea of where/how i can improve, by all means please chime in. **analysis** i made some notes throughout the night on my phone so i’m just going to bulletize this section - maybe the dosage was too low? or maybe this is the regular outcome of such a mix and i’m just used to the extra cool effects from the new year’s od mix? - again, new year’s was more special than just a regular thursday night at the bar. must keep this in mind. - first time seeing everybody in about a week, some people i haven’t seen since the holidays started - don’t know where things with sarah are going (fwb vs. ltr, etc) so can’t really tune my mix to that yet. - on that note, it seems that our friends think we’re an item now. naturally the girls will respond “as friends” when i try to talk to them. - in intimate moments sarah responded well. may need more heat to get down and dirty. **conclusion** can’t win them all. the bad thing about everyday testing is that there are so many variables. this test makes a good baseline for future outings though. we usually go out every weekend. i’m kinda disappointed because i was hoping to nail down a mix and start throwing some ptives in there, but i play my cards as they come. showering my night off now and then going to test some more p104. ---
**Author:** ![chasm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chasm/32/2121_2.png) [@chasm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/9 "2009-01-09T19:53:53Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > **finding my social mix, focus on close attraction** > > hung out with sarah and the gang last night. hadn’t seen sarah since new year’s and she’s been telling me how much she wants to be around me again so knowing this, i figured i could use some close attraction mixed in with some heat to let her know i mean business. let’s read on… > > **the mix** > 1d a314 split wrists and ears > 1s shine neck > 2s ifm back of neck, dabbed wrists on neck > 2s ih hair, .5s split wrists > 1s ammo neck > 2s tuth neck, dabbed applicator on upper lip for kicks > > all put on about 30 minutes before leaving, 45 minutes before meeting up with sarah > > **the happenings** > scent effect kicked in quick. my buddies met up at my place for some pregaming and then we left for the bar. on the way over we started goofing around and everyone seemed to be having fun. don’t think the alcohol had taken effect yet so i believe the ih allowed everyone to focus on having fun, and usually my buddies respond well to shine. > > once at the bar i leave the table to go chat up some bartenders who i hadn’t seen for a while over the holidays. i get back and sarah and her buddies are there. normally i’m not one to do extensive PDA so i walked up behind sarah and gave her a light hug and said hello. consequently she got some of my mix and i had a reason to wave my arms around to spread the ih. said hi to her friends and then left again to get a round of drinks. > > it is **at this point** i can say that **this is probably one of my worst mixes ever.** things _should’ve_ worked out well – i’ve used a variant of this mix before, this wasn’t an od phero bomb, and the dosage was light enough so that nothing was covered or overly aggressive. i don’t know if i ghosted or if everyone was just slow getting back into the swing of things. at the same level of drunkness that she was on new year’s, sarah didn’t show nearly the same amount of interest last night. i can kinda accept this because new year’s was a more special occasion; however, this was still interesting to note. i tried this mix out with her friends as well, also to no success. > > on the bright side, after the bar in private sarah was her usual self again. lots of deep whiffs around my neck area, even went around behind me to get some of the ifm. didn’t really see any effects from the ammo or tuth. she fell asleep on my arm again and kept kissing and smelling my wrist/forearm area. definitely noted this for later; perhaps one of my ptives would work well here. > > **help me** > after reading all that, if you have an idea of where/how i can improve, by all means please chime in. > > **analysis** > i made some notes throughout the night on my phone so i’m just going to bulletize this section > > - maybe the dosage was too low? or maybe this is the regular outcome of such a mix and i’m just used to the extra cool effects from the new year’s od mix? > > - again, new year’s was more special than just a regular thursday night at the bar. must keep this in mind. > > - first time seeing everybody in about a week, some people i haven’t seen since the holidays started > > - don’t know where things with sarah are going (fwb vs. ltr, etc) so can’t really tune my mix to that yet. > > - on that note, it seems that our friends think we’re an item now. naturally the girls will respond “as friends” when i try to talk to them. > > - in intimate moments sarah responded well. may need more heat to get down and dirty. > > **conclusion** > can’t win them all. the bad thing about everyday testing is that there are so many variables. this test makes a good baseline for future outings though. we usually go out every weekend. i’m kinda disappointed because i was hoping to nail down a mix and start throwing some ptives in there, but i play my cards as they come. > > showering my night off now and then going to test some more p104. Hey great report, my first thought was that maybe you used too much none and therefore had an early ghost effect. As the night went on, the none dissipated a little and you became more approachable. Do you usually use that much none? ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/10 "2009-01-09T21:22:36Z")
> [@chasm](#): > > Hey great report, > > my first thought was that maybe you used too much none and therefore had an early ghost effect. As the night went on, the none dissipated a little and you became more approachable. > > Do you usually use that much none? here’s where i get a little stuck. from my research here it seems that asians produce less -none than other races. i took what a 22 year old white male would consider to be an average dose of -none and then ramped it up a bit to make up for this. you make a good point with your post so i did some more research. there’s a post here that states that people with type o blood (which i have) produce more -none than people with type a or b blood. this is how i see it: i’m asian. not factoring in anything else and according to the standard, my -none production should be below average (we’ll say 5 points). i’m now at -5. i have type o blood. not factoring in anything else and according to the standard, my -none production should be above average (again using 5 points). i’m now at +5. factor in both those things and i should be… right at average? -5 + 5 = 0. _ **more experienced users or phero masters, am i wrong in this assumption?** _ for the sake of this post we’ll keep using this example. i ramped up my -none thinking i was below average when in reality i’m not, so in a sense i did od on -none, thus the ghosting. to answer your question, yes i do usually use that much -none. perhaps i’ve been wrong all along. we have some gatherings coming up this weekend and i’ll try out some mixes with less -none to see what happens. any thoughts on what i should cut out or scale back? ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/11 "2009-01-09T21:35:57Z")
**testing p104, day 2** 12.5 mu lightly scented short report as i’ll be washing off what i can in preparation for a new quick test mix tonight. 1s split wrists 1 and a half-ass spray hair still don’t really know what this does. scent effects were less noticeable than the previous day of testing. it’s been on for about 2 hours now and i’ve been around other people for as long as possible… had lunch with some of the party gang and then went to a friend’s to watch a movie. nothing out of the ordinary. hanging out now until my night activities, still looks like nothing is happening. come on, do something… 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![chasm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chasm/32/2121_2.png) [@chasm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chasm)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/12 "2009-01-09T21:52:15Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > here’s where i get a little stuck. from my research here it seems that asians produce less -none than other races. i took what a 22 year old white male would consider to be an average dose of -none and then ramped it up a bit to make up for this. > > you make a good point with your post so i did some more research. there’s a post here that states that people with type o blood (which i have) produce more -none than people with type a or b blood. > > this is how i see it: > i’m asian. not factoring in anything else and according to the standard, my -none production should be below average (we’ll say 5 points). i’m now at -5. > i have type o blood. not factoring in anything else and according to the standard, my -none production should be above average (again using 5 points). i’m now at +5. > factor in both those things and i should be… right at average? -5 + 5 = 0. > > _ **more experienced users or phero masters, am i wrong in this assumption?** _ > > for the sake of this post we’ll keep using this example. i ramped up my -none thinking i was below average when in reality i’m not, so in a sense i did od on -none, thus the ghosting. > > to answer your question, yes i do usually use that much -none. perhaps i’ve been wrong all along. we have some gatherings coming up this weekend and i’ll try out some mixes with less -none to see what happens. any thoughts on what i should cut out or scale back? I’m sort of a noob but my understanding was that Asian girls didn’t respond well to lots of none because they are not used to growing up with it. Is Sarah Asian ? I would suggest reducing the TUTH and maybe keeping the ammo handy in case you felt later in the evening that you could use some more none. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is buffered better and has a smaller chance of causing an OD or ghost effect. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/13 "2009-01-10T00:04:17Z")
> [@chasm](#): > > I’m sort of a noob but my understanding was that Asian girls didn’t respond well to lots of none because they are not used to growing up with it. Is Sarah Asian ? > > I would suggest reducing the TUTH and maybe keeping the ammo handy in case you felt later in the evening that you could use some more none. Ammo is buffered better and has a smaller chance of causing an OD or ghost effect. sarah is white. aside from her i like to test on all kinds of women and last night it seemed like nobody responded. will try out turning down tuth ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/14 "2009-01-10T01:37:58Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > this is how i see it: > i’m asian. not factoring in anything else and according to the standard, my -none production should be below average (we’ll say 5 points). i’m now at -5. > i have type o blood. not factoring in anything else and according to the standard, my -none production should be above average (again using 5 points). i’m now at +5. > factor in both those things and i should be… right at average? -5 + 5 = 0. The only flaw I see in that logic is that we don’t know how much of an effect being Asian or having type O blood has on your -none production. It’s not accurate to say that being asian automatically lowers your -none production by 5, or having type O blood raising your -none production by 5 on your arbitrary scale. We have no idea if in reality being Asian results in a -7 and type O results in +2 for a net result of -5. It could be the opposite where Asian is -3 and type O is +10 for a net result of +7. I’m sure you see where I’m going with this. Rather than try to work it out like that, I would recommend finding a specific -none dosage that works for you the best. However you define ‘best’ is up to you. If ‘best’ is your target Sarah responding very well, or if ‘best’ is simply no ghosting, it doesn’t matter, that’s for you to decide. But in either case, there will be a dosage range that will be optimal for your chosen scenario. For Sarah, it might be 3.2mcg, for not ghosting, it might be 4.5mcg. It could very well be the reverse, you can only know for sure by testing it out. I’m Asian (Korean specifically), and I am type O. I rarely use -none, not necessarily because it doesn’t work or because I OD, but I just don’t really…feel it? I dunno, it doesn’t mesh with me. I’ve seen some pretty strong hits with -none so I know what it’s good for, but the socials just seem to really do it for me. That might mean that I’m producing plenty of -none as I is, or that might mean that my targets/people around me are acclimated to lower levels of -none. Ultimately, as it has been said many times on this forum, you need to try it on yourself, to know what works best for you. I originally just popped in to see what’s going on, and your question prompted something in me I guess and I wanted to respond. I just got out of class, so maybe my brain is still in critical thinking mode. I dunno. 😛 Either way, keep up the reporting. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/15 "2009-01-10T20:01:18Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > The only flaw I see in that logic is that we don’t know how much of an effect being Asian or having type O blood has on your -none production. It’s not accurate to say that being asian automatically lowers your -none production by 5, or having type O blood raising your -none production by 5 on your arbitrary scale. > > We have no idea if in reality being Asian results in a -7 and type O results in +2 for a net result of -5. It could be the opposite where Asian is -3 and type O is +10 for a net result of +7. I’m sure you see where I’m going with this. > > Rather than try to work it out like that, I would recommend finding a specific -none dosage that works for you the best. However you define ‘best’ is up to you. If ‘best’ is your target Sarah responding very well, or if ‘best’ is simply no ghosting, it doesn’t matter, that’s for you to decide. > > But in either case, there will be a dosage range that will be optimal for your chosen scenario. For Sarah, it might be 3.2mcg, for not ghosting, it might be 4.5mcg. It could very well be the reverse, you can only know for sure by testing it out. > > I’m Asian (Korean specifically), and I am type O. I rarely use -none, not necessarily because it doesn’t work or because I OD, but I just don’t really…feel it? I dunno, it doesn’t mesh with me. I’ve seen some pretty strong hits with -none so I know what it’s good for, but the socials just seem to really do it for me. > > That might mean that I’m producing plenty of -none as I is, or that might mean that my targets/people around me are acclimated to lower levels of -none. > > Ultimately, as it has been said many times on this forum, you need to try it on yourself, to know what works best for you. > > I originally just popped in to see what’s going on, and your question prompted something in me I guess and I wanted to respond. I just got out of class, so maybe my brain is still in critical thinking mode. I dunno. 😛 > > Either way, keep up the reporting. well said. lots of valid points here. the guys around me respond well to some -none (specifically a314) and i still get some self-effects from it so perhaps i will phase it out of my social mix and not even worry about it. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/16 "2009-01-10T20:42:35Z")
**just for fun: ammo + taa** this post picks up right where i left off a couple posts up. i left the p104 on instead of washing it off. if it’s doing something, it can’t hurt; if it’s a placebo, then at least it smells good. about 30 minutes before going to dinner with one of my friends and sarah and her friends, i put on 1s ammo neck 1s taa neck it was fairly warm in the restaurant and i could feel my body slowly turning into a room diffuser. in the car ride there my buddy was pretty talkative, more than usual. don’t know if this was the pheros (ammo has a nice fun smell) or just him feeling good. at dinner i sat next to sarah at a round table. our previous encounter at the bar was a bit awkward as we didn’t know what was going on between us so the start of dinner was the same too. about midway through dinner, i feel a hand sneak up on my thigh. i look over and sarah is focused on eating dinner but also put a hand on my thigh. very weird, for a few reasons. one, we’re not too big on PDA. for her to put a hand on my thigh at dinner (especially with other people around) is a big step. also, last night at the bar nothing like this happened. the bar we go to is a fun place, lots of good drinks, great seating, etc… perfect place for some light touching. but nope. here at dinner, it’s a restaurant, other people are sitting with us, no alcohol around (my buddy and i had a beer each) to loosen inhibitions… yet she throws a hand on my thigh. she’s definitely starting to dig the mix. occasionally she would lean over a bit just to try to smell it some more. more hands on my thigh, in turn i’ll clasp her hand or put my hand on her thigh. we did notice some glances our way so we decided to tone it down a bit. after dinner we head to a friend’s for a movie and some light drinking. during the movie we traded touches again and then while hanging out she was really into my neck area. i took this opportunity to go refresh with **one more spray of ammo and taa.** i tried my best to stay away from her for a few minutes so i could dry down and then when i came back, she said i smelled nice. _ **ammo + taa = a very touchy feely mix.** _ her friends seemed to enjoy the mix as well. i played the devil a bit and exaggerated my lean-in when talking to some of them and knowing full well (or at least assuming) that i’m “property of sarah,” they did not seem to mind this. some even leaned back to the point where our faces/necks/chests were touching and it got kinda weird. **then the p83 comes out to play** back at my place sarah and i are alone and she leaves my room to grab some clothes to sleep in. i run and go find my phero stash. it was a toss up between p79 and p83. i tried my best to remember which one did what and ended up picking p83. **i used the half-ass spray that always comes out first** (neck). unfortunately there was no time for me to dry down, and sarah called me out on spraying some more “cologne” before bed. i had to play my bluff and said no, you just haven’t been this close to me all night. we left it at that. the most immediate effect that i notice is that sarah is **way more open**. it was only our third time together so we’re both still feeling our way around each other and seeing what can happen, and last night sarah started saying things like “i like it when you do this / touch me there.” i took this and ran as far as i could with it. she was propped up on my chest and i said something stupid like “i bet your shirt matches my carpet” and without hesistation, **she just takes her shirt off** and says “well, let’s see.” WOW. the previous night i had to drop a few subtle hints in order for clothing to come off. to keep this post fairly clean, i’ll just say that i used this same stupid line on other articles of clothing and the results were the same. 😉 **conclusion** ammo + taa is very effective in solidifying the attraction. p83 works well when you want to set a carefree tone. other users report it as loosening inhibitions. if you’re in a position like me, the combination of the 3 will do the job. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/17 "2009-01-10T20:59:29Z")
p83 has pushed many situations over the edge. Nice choice. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/18 "2009-01-11T18:21:55Z")
**interesting test day** quick post here. started off showering fresh and using 1s p104 neck so far in my p104 testing that’s the dose that has gotten results. still nothing too out of the ordinary here. friends were happy, i’m happy… it’s almost as if p104 is like instant shine. i go with that for a few hours and then i get a call from sarah. one of her friends had a bad day or something so they were getting some liquid therapy down at the bar. i decided to go with this mix half-ass spray p79 neck (left side) 1s p83 neck (right side) 1s taa neck (middle) i know the effects of taa and i needed a go-to mix more than a test mix so i chose one spray. p83 did me well last time with only the half-ass first spray so i upped that to one full spray. i am familiar with these two combined. i wanted to throw in some p79 mainly to get rid of the first spray, but also to see how it affected the tried and true taa + p83 combo. long story short, **everyone loved it**. when i got there i gave a hug to the girl having the bad day and she leaned in for a bit. sitting next to sarah i found that she kept touching me for no real apparent reason. _ **i do apologize for making all my posts targeted towards one girl.** _ we have not started school yet so we’re the only people around; once classes begin i can test more on others. also, usually when i wear my mixes around her or our friends there seems to be alcohol present. i’ll do my best to adjust these factors. as always, i list my mixes in their own paragraph and bold any important items in my report so if you’re here just to read up on pheros, just look for those parts. unfortunately after we got back home sarah got a bit sick and woozy. this limited our post-bar activities to me watching her so she didn’t throw up anywhere and then going to sleep. i was not able to test out the mix in an intimate setting. when we woke in the morning everything was ok. she did hover around my neck but at that point i don’t know if anything was still taking effect. **conclusion** good first run of the ptive mix. seems p104 is like shine but without self-effects, at least for me. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/19 "2009-01-12T02:27:18Z")
**p104 observation** still 12.5 mu lightly scented, 1 spray to the neck. think i might be feeling this now. after i put it on today i felt kinda weird… a bit happy, a little bit of energy (not the scent effect), all in all a good feeling. in my previous tests i’ve found that it’s either a relaxing thing or a talkative/happy thing, so i think i’m going to stop letting results happen and start actively working toward that angle of approach. it’s basically my everyday go-to spray for when i need something that smells nice. looking forward to future tests. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/20 "2009-01-12T20:09:31Z")
**finding my class mix** this essentially replaces the **finding my DAILY (not social) mix** tests showered fresh and ~30 min before class i put on this mix 2d a314 split wrists and ears 1.3s cttm neck (kinda missed on the first spray), 1s hair 1s ih split wrists 1s ammo neck 1s p104 neck (no proven results here but so far it’s given me energy, so if nothing else it’ll help me last through classes) don’t really know who is in my classes yet so this a baseline mix. looking for some good cttm self-effects to make some new friends. gotta go to class now and wanted to post the mix before i forgot; will update later with results. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524.md?page=2)