# pheromone fried rice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [January 5, 2009, 9:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524 "2009-01-05T09:16:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Mco-gnv](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mco-gnv/32/229_2.png) [@Mco-gnv](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mco-gnv)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/301 "2009-09-24T20:44:26Z")
if it wasnt for p74 at 100mcg i may be a complete loser on campus. luckily, that is not the case. 5@50mcg looked like it went awesome ---
**Author:** ![AznSin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f6c823/32.png) [@AznSin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AznSin)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/302 "2009-09-25T06:08:46Z")
I want to start off by saying that I began reading your journal a few days ago JayArea and it’s been enjoyable. In my case I haven’t used pheromones since last year when I picked up my ex-girlfriend from the bar. I’d say I quit using them into a week of us dating. Now I’m recently single but my ex is still in the picture if you know what I mean. 😉 I gotta give you props for having the patience for writing your experiences because I don’t think I could do it. I just think it’s been easier for me to read your journal because of the fact that you’re Asian and possibly closer to what may work for me as far as the pheromones. I’m most likely going to buy all the putatives and mixes eventually…thinking 30mL@50mcg. I’m figuring if I don’t want so much of a concentration of a particular pheromone then I don’t have to do a full spray. Any suggestions? I still have my pheromones that I bought from Androtics and will be up and using them again. Also I gotta say I sometimes miss college after reading your posts because there were some fun times for me and of course for you too! Keep it up man…from Los Angeles… ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/303 "2009-09-25T07:28:35Z")
**the comfort post** it’s all about comfort. without comfort, things get harder. relationships? not possible. friendships? you get stuck in the awkward “i don’t really trust this guy” phase. business partnerships? nope. i’m listening to a really chill cd right now and my thoughts are flowing. please follow along and let me know if you’re unclear on anything. we start on a backstory. the setting is a few days ago, when i wore 50 mcg p74 with SEG. she mentioned this once in passing while we were still in a group setting and then elaborated on it when i was along with her – _we need to take some pictures together_. in passing, she wanted to get pictures of all her new friends that she met in school. i could see something more though, so i waited. and it paid off. when we were alone, she gave me the real reason she wanted a picture with me: she not only wanted to keep a memory of “us” (so i guess technically two reasons), but she wanted to show me off to her friends. way different than how sarah shows me off to her friends. this was more of a “look at the types of people i’m meeting at school” way. she was feeling me. i had made an impact on her. it’s not just her either. other people have said this, with and without pheros. it’s about the underlying thought. pictures are worth a thousand words, and pictures last forever. the fact that somebody explicitly wants a picture with you, not because you’re famous or whatever, means a lot. i’m probably not wording this correctly but if you’ve ever experienced this, or any other memory-creating event like “we don’t do [this] enough,” you know what i’m talking about. SEG wanted to create a lasting memory of me, to commemorate all the memories we have created thus far and will continue to create in the future. this then led into her super comfort phase at the cafe. i underestimated how powerful it was until now. _present time_ **10s p74 @ 100 mcg** THANK YOU MCO-GNV. i picked up SEG to hang out tonight. my buddy was running late so we had about 20 minutes of alone time. this didn’t include the ~7 minutes she was in my car to start the cloud effect. in the car, i didn’t really push it. simple normal friendly chatting. the p74 hit her on its own accord. when we were alone, i turned it up hardcore. i played host as usual but added a bit of comfort flair to it. instead of just offering her a drink, i offered her a drink and a comfy seat on the sofa. the seat offer wasn’t needed, but the fact that i offered it added to the congruency. instead of just choosing music that i knew she would like, i asked her to feel free to change the music herself to whatever she preferred. i predicted nearly every song she picked, but that wasn’t the point. the point was that she knew she had free reign to pick music, and that in turn made her feel comfortable. you’ve probably heard it before. “success isn’t a destination; it’s a journey.” stuff like that. the _message_ wasn’t important; we both knew it was comfort. it was how we got there and how it was presented. comfort isn’t just throwing her onto a pillowtop mattress and placing a soft blanket on top of her. part of it comes from you and how you act and interact. part of it has to come from her and how she acts and reacts and feels. part of it is just the environment – safety, comfort, well-being, etc. SEG has been to my place before so she knows the ins and outs, no problem there. i’m playing my part up like it’s not funny. she’s reacting well and getting into the whole aura and letting it get to her. there’s just one other part that comes into this equation: **other people.** it was judgment day for my buddy. he’s had his fair share of awkwardness with SEG, mistakes, random encounters, etc. tonight wasn’t a particularly special night by any means but it was his chance to shine. if he played his cards right, he’d score major points with SEG. play his cards wrong, and his time with her becomes limited. it seems he played his cards wrong tonight. we started with a small private conversation about him as he arrived and got settled into the party. i like him and want the best for him, so if there’s gossip about him, i need to keep a pulse on it to check his feedback. it seems he has a bad rep around school. since he’s so shy, he won’t talk to anyone. from this, people think he’s stuck up and too good for others. SEG knows better because he’s talked to her in private a few times and she knows he can’t always communicate his thoughts well. to other people, that’s not the case. i’ll sometimes stay behind after class and talk to other guys, including the db friends, just to be friendly. he’ll tag along but won’t ever say anything. that leads to his bad rep. now, who told me this? SEG, of course. we were on a whole different level of comfort here. she knew firsthand that my buddy has a bad rep and probably promised not to tell anyone, yet she’s telling me right in front of him. i got a bad rep too solely by hanging out with him, but SEG cleared my name. he started out too strong. way too much negging. that’s generally his style of flirting, and SEG should know that, but even still, it was overkill tonight. at some points SEG looked seriously hurt. indirect comfort point #1 came into play here. every time she get negged, she would come to me. i couldn’t really put my finger on why. either she wanted to feel consoled by someone, or she wanted to be around someone who wouldn’t neg her. my buddy lost points here. then, as always, they found their way together. not the same “raptured in my arms” pose like before, but still together. we were walking somewhere and i somehow sped up while my buddy lagged behind. then i heard some giggling and laughing from behind me. they were close and had some kino. not bad. i tried to stay out of this as much as possible. by some whirlwind twist of actions, he then sealed his fate of sleeping alone tonight. i think because he was getting close to her, he got cocky. that cockiness fueled by alcohol got him nowhere. he went from negging her to straight up insulting her. i actually got a little worried at this point. it became that everything she did, he could do better. everything she knew, he knew more. fun competition is ok; this was just obnoxious. i felt it and so did SEG. the place we were going turned out to be closed for renovations so our walk for was nothing. SEG hit her break point here. she got negged and just took it, she got insulted and just took it, and now the place was closed. we headed back home and she already began texting people for rides home. she mentioned this out loud to me in hopes that my buddy would hear but i don’t think he did. the more he kept insulting, the closer she grew to me. part of this was from p74, and part of this is social interaction. he kept pushing her away, so there was nowhere for her to go except for to me. her retort to everything was “well, jayarea wouldn’t say that about me.” and that’s true, i wouldn’t say some of these things to anyone. i think my buddy hit his alcohol limit and just lost control of his mouth, although physically he was composed. we get home and immediately my buddy suggests that we drink more. i decline and try to laugh it off. he focuses on SEG. she’s obviously not having it and she aggressively declines. as my buddy rambles on, she motions to me that it’s time to go. my buddy is still rambling and i couldn’t wait any longer so i cut him off and say “look, i’m gonna walk her out to where the ride is waiting.” he stopped talking and looked shocked. then he pleaded for her to stay and she had to explain over and over that she already found a ride way back when we were walking back. he was obviously upset and this showed in his voice, and i hustled her out of there before things got worse. on the ~2 minute walk, she confided more in me. she let loose her feelings about how she’s kinda getting fed up with my buddy, how she knows he’s a good guy but also can associate with the other students that his shyness makes him seem like an ass, and how she really appreciates me being around to smooth out rough encounters. i let the pheros speak for themselves at this point. whatever she wanted – comfort, trust, care, etc – she found in p74. there was even a slight hit of sexuality at the end. she said she wouldn’t mind if i rode with her on the way back home to make sure she got home safe. we both trust the sober ride so there was no need for me to do this; the only reason anyone would accept this offer is to get to her place and then conveniently be tired and need a place to rest, perhaps next to her naked body in her bed. she’s a newly “single” girl and of course her natural instincts are flowing. i declined and sent her off. back at home, my buddy was still fuming a little bit but had cooled down. i tried to downplay everything and after he sobered up a bit, he got over it. i believe deep down inside he knows he messed up. it’s a little too late now. **the takeaway** i’m a little tired now (3:30a here) so i’ll let you find your own takeaway from this post. my own thought is that congruency is very important especially when other people are not congruent. it’s like someone else messing up puts you in a better light. in that case, your light had better be nice and strong or else you look like you’re messing up too. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/304 "2009-09-25T13:59:15Z")
Excellent. That was very insightful and thank you for sharing that. I totally agree that being congruent is very important. I figured out a long time ago that just trying to be the best ‘me’ that I can be and not trying to be someone I’m not will help me to go a lot further in life. ---
**Author:** ![Mco-gnv](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mco-gnv/32/229_2.png) [@Mco-gnv](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mco-gnv)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/305 "2009-09-25T20:13:57Z")
wow man thanks for amping it up to absurd levels to see what effects can come from p74. very good post ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/306 "2009-09-26T00:25:32Z")
> [@AznSin](#): > > I want to start off by saying that I began reading your journal a few days ago JayArea and it’s been enjoyable. In my case I haven’t used pheromones since last year when I picked up my ex-girlfriend from the bar. I’d say I quit using them into a week of us dating. Now I’m recently single but my ex is still in the picture if you know what I mean. 😉 I gotta give you props for having the patience for writing your experiences because I don’t think I could do it. I just think it’s been easier for me to read your journal because of the fact that you’re Asian and possibly closer to what may work for me as far as the pheromones. I’m most likely going to buy all the putatives and mixes eventually…thinking 30mL@50mcg. I’m figuring if I don’t want so much of a concentration of a particular pheromone then I don’t have to do a full spray. Any suggestions? > > I still have my pheromones that I bought from Androtics and will be up and using them again. Also I gotta say I sometimes miss college after reading your posts because there were some fun times for me and of course for you too! Keep it up man…from Los Angeles… i’m glad my journal can be an inspiration. you’re welcome to live vicariously through me and my college adventures any time. 😉 not only is college fun, but there’s not many other times when you can be surrounded by so many people with whom to test, so i’m living it up now while i can. i would do some research on what seems to be the range of doses for each product you’re interested in. for example, meo-est kicks in around 100-150 mcg so i got a bottle at 75 mcg. you do want to have just a little wiggle room to play around with doses, but you also want to get the most for your money. i made this mistake back in my more rookie days by getting p74 at 10 mcg. 10s of an akuto product is a bit rough on the nose for the first part of the night, plus it’s 10s out of my bottle. knowing what i know now, a better choice would have been at least 25 mcg, maybe even the 37.5 mcg option. > [@Mco-gnv](#): > > wow man thanks for amping it up to absurd levels to see what effects can come from p74. very good post your post earlier about 100 mcg and some thinking i did got me on the track that maybe i was being too shy with some ptives. i’ve od’d on the instant line and spaceland, but never the ptives. it felt good to use so much. part of that may be from so much of _what_ i used, and that’s the p74 feeling. it just felt right… which leads me to expand on the takeaway from last night. **updated takeaway** - the “old way” or “the way i’ve always done it” may not always be the best way. for example, my buddy and his negging style of flirting. that may have worked back with the girls he’s used to, but it’s not getting him very far here. we can learn from his encounters and see that sometimes it’s better to drop it and try another approach instead of being thickheaded and attempting to make it work. - **i think this is fairly important** : if you’re shy, that’s ok. i used to be shy as well. but whatever you do, _ **always smile/laugh.** _ again we can go with my buddy as an example. he’s shy and on top of that, tries to be cool or suave and give off an air of nonchalantness. that gets him the negative (false) reputation of being a dick. now imagine the shy kid in the corner who smiles and coyly looks away when girls look over, or blushes and laughs when he doesn’t know what to do. girls love this. if you’re shy, smile and laugh your way through it all as you practice your openers and such. even when you’re not talking much, people won’t get the wrong impression of you. there’s a very fine line of misunderstanding between being shy and being arrogant. - know your limit. this goes for anything. alcohol, so you don’t get too sloppy. negging and other touchy things like that, so you don’t offend anyone. i even kept a close watch on my limit of comfort. as mentioned above, it just felt right. assuming we were both single, hand-holding, cuddling, pecks/kisses, even bedroom activities would not have been out of place last night. it felt _that_ good. however, SEG just got out of a confusing relationship/“relationship” and is probably getting more confused with my buddy and other guys, so she needs some time to dial in. i have a gf. crossing the comfort limit is bad for both of us. as non-congruent as it was, i had to pull back at times last night. in her trance-like state, SEG was a bit shocked and disappointed, then once she snapped back into reality, she did a quick self check to confirm that yes, she does need time to get back in order, and that i have a gf, and neither of us needs to make a bad decision. after that she was ok again. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/307 "2009-09-26T00:38:11Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > **updated takeaway** > > - the “old way” or “the way i’ve always done it” may not always be the best way. for example, my buddy and his negging style of flirting. that may have worked back with the girls he’s used to, but it’s not getting him very far here. we can learn from his encounters and see that sometimes it’s better to drop it and try another approach instead of being thickheaded and attempting to make it work. > - **i think this is fairly important** : if you’re shy, that’s ok. i used to be shy as well. but whatever you do, _ **always smile/laugh.** _ again we can go with my buddy as an example. he’s shy and on top of that, tries to be cool or suave and give off an air of nonchalantness. that gets him the negative (false) reputation of being a dick. now imagine the shy kid in the corner who smiles and coyly looks away when girls look over, or blushes and laughs when he doesn’t know what to do. girls love this. if you’re shy, smile and laugh your way through it all as you practice your openers and such. even when you’re not talking much, people won’t get the wrong impression of you. there’s a very fine line of misunderstanding between being shy and being arrogant. > - know your limit. this goes for anything. alcohol, so you don’t get too sloppy. negging and other touchy things like that, so you don’t offend anyone. i even kept a close watch on my limit of comfort. as mentioned above, it just felt right. assuming we were both single, hand-holding, cuddling, pecks/kisses, even bedroom activities would not have been out of place last night. it felt _that_ good. however, SEG just got out of a confusing relationship/“relationship” and is probably getting more confused with my buddy and other guys, so she needs some time to dial in. i have a gf. crossing the comfort limit is bad for both of us. as non-congruent as it was, i had to pull back at times last night. in her trance-like state, SEG was a bit shocked and disappointed, then once she snapped back into reality, she did a quick self check to confirm that yes, she does need time to get back in order, and that i have a gf, and neither of us needs to make a bad decision. after that she was ok again. Excellent insights. I totally agree that just by laughing and smiling, people really gravitate to you. Ahhh… isn’t life fun? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/308 "2009-09-26T03:53:40Z")
Jay, great work. Reps!!! ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2009, 7:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/309 "2009-09-27T07:26:57Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > Excellent insights. I totally agree that just by laughing and smiling, people really gravitate to you. > > Ahhh… isn’t life fun? 🙂 life certainly is fun, and life is funny too. it’s like a nice cycle of amusement. > [@jessejester](#): > > Jay, great work. Reps!!! thank you! i had to come back strong after being dragged down last week with stress so this actually felt good physically and in a phero sense. i went to a callout for a club tonight (photography) and wanted to play with ig, something i’ve been overlooking lately. i checked the club’s website before i left and it seemed that many of the members were fairly amateur. it was more like a “how to crop people out of photos and fix red eye” club. i’m not a pro by any means nor am i currently big into photography, but back when i had access to a darkroom i went around town with my slr and played around with developing film. when dslr’s came onto the scene they were a bit too pricey for me, and once the price dropped, i had already moved on to other interests and hobbies. knowing this, i figured i had more experience than most of the members. i wanted to portray a “knowledgeable helper” type of vibe. a314 would’ve been too much, unless maybe i was the club’s sponsor or a true professional willing to teach. i chose this mix: 1s ig neck 3s ishine hair 2s cttm neck many of the members were younger too so i didn’t want to go too heavy on the ig, but usually 2s is fine for me. i got to the meeting and the first person i meet happened to be the president (unknown to me at the time). pretty much the perfect candidate for my mix cloud. i spoke with him for about 10 minutes regarding a whole variety of topics. throughout these 10 minutes i gradually introduced my knowledge of photography and my willingness not so much to participate (honest and true reason of too much work in school) but to be around as an extra helping hand. also throughout these 10 minutes, the president became entranced with what i had to say. he had roughly the same experience as me, and probably more since he owns a dslr setup, but i must’ve been coming off as some photography monster. he asked some questions during this time and took a long-ish time to phrase them; i don’t know if he was searching for the right words or wanted to sound smart, or what. eventually some more people showed up and they were legit interested in joining so we excused ourselves and he showed me to the catered food. i made one pass through the food line (subway sandwiches, 3 hot trays, chips/drinks) and before i was done, i had heard my name murmured all around the room. he deferred the interested people to some lackey so he could get their information, then continued going around the room. i got my food and went to go sit next to a kid who also had just gotten his food. we talked casually and i offered some advice on a digital camera for daily use. during this time i was no longer within earshot of people saying my name but i did see lots of heads turning up to look in my direction. after we finished eating we sat mostly in silence as we watched college football. later on i found out that roughly all of the leadership had been notified of my presence – the heads i saw looking at me belonged to the vp, treasurer, activities director, etc. i felt like i was overstaying my welcome a bit by eating the free food and not even wanting to join so i started to make the appropriate goodbyes before leaving. almost all of the leadership crew came over to say hi/goodbye and let me know of future events and activities. definitely a good and surprising day for pheros. they carried my vibe farther than i expected it to go. it felt great to see ig back in action too – the status was good and the respect was high, but people weren’t shaking in their boots around me. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/310 "2009-09-28T01:24:42Z")
Fantastic! ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/311 "2009-09-28T17:32:35Z")
new toys: mx297- had to get this one after mco-gnv’s heroic efforts to get it restocked mx329- dancing joker knows his stuff mx330- when steve first posted about this homebrew i wasn’t interested. it then came out as an mx and i still wasn’t interested. not because it has MB either. cougars, as fun as they are, never really set it off with me. in a very non-racist way, i’m _pretty_ sure it’s because i’m asian. and i’m ok with that. back in cali there were tons of asian cougars so i might’ve given it a thought then, but now i’m here where it’s all farm-raised (heh… 🙂) “i do work with my hands” type guys and that’s what cougars seek. **but…** ships weren’t meant to stay in the harbor / you can’t steal second with your foot on first / etc. i wanted to explore and try new things. that very attitude is why i’m here. so in a “close my eyes and let’s just do this” way, what’s right for me? i tried mx315 (raw power) as a free gift but the scent got in the way of my testing. aside from that, there’s nothing i _wouldn’t_ order except for this. so i got it. free gift: mx336 😃 this was on my “if i had more time to test i would get these” list and now since i got it, i better go make some time to test. ---
**Author:** ![Mco-gnv](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mco-gnv/32/229_2.png) [@Mco-gnv](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mco-gnv)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/312 "2009-09-28T22:33:36Z")
I STILL haven’t been any to get any of it! every time i have money its out of stock. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/313 "2009-09-29T20:51:33Z")
> [@Mco-gnv](#): > > I STILL haven’t been any to get any of it! every time i have money its out of stock. ☹ ouch. you’ll get it soon enough. i missed a few restocks as well. mx336 PJ up here: [mx336 pseudojournal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx336-pseudojournal/32888) one more round of scent testing with ff22 and then those results will be up too. SEG got called up on a last-minute interview for the weekend. while this takes out some mx329/297 tests i had planned, this puts into place some new mx329/297 tests that i can do with my buddy. since she’s gone, he’s “mentally” free to go about chasing skirts and i’ll have a different atmosphere in which to test. next week, sarah comes to visit so i hope to have one or more of these picked out for use with her. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/314 "2009-09-30T20:35:22Z")
wednesday 9.30.09 **Product name,scent and strength** mx336 v1b601, game scent, strength unknown **Application dosage and locations** showered fresh 2s front neck 10a **Time exposure began** 10:30a **Environment tested in** class **Appearance** casual **Self effects** uplifted again. morning classes aren’t my thing though so it took a while for me to really perk up. which i did when… **Effects to others** everyone in class got completely stupid funny. it’s almost like i put on spaceland instead. we all had an exam last week that nobody did well on. even the smart kids looked uneasy leaving the classroom. grades were posted last night. they were not good. straight up, they were horrible. i think the professor is actually going to look back at the exam and see where people went wrong. anyway, usually with grades this bad, people either don’t want to discuss it or have a bad feeling while discussing it. i sent out a feeler to the kid next to me with “what did you get?” and he replied and didn’t seem too upset about it. i sent another feeler out to the kid behind me and eventually the small group sitting around me got to talking about the exam. it started out as actual questions, like who put what answer and why it was wrong. then we started _laughing_ about the exam and our bad grades. trust me, these grades were bad. on a very very very lenient grading scale, i haven’t heard a grade yet that tips a C. certainly no laughing matter, yet we’re all laughing. still have a nice feeling from it now, unfortunately no other encounters planned until it has probably worn off. **Duration of effects** ~1 hour **Effects from mixing with other products** n/a **Range** mix carried about 10 feet. good diffusion targets \< 5 feet **Time of exposure** ~6 hours and going ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/315 "2009-10-01T16:56:41Z")
3 days of scent testing and now i’m ready to post my results. **the players:** me, my buddy, and SEG. me obviously, my buddy to get a second opinion, SEG to get the all important female POV. after all, this is going into ammo, and females comprise a large portion of ammo’s target demographic. **the test:** spray once. huff. note. wait ~1 hour. huff again. note. let buddy and SEG huff (timed so that we’re in class together). note. huff as needed later to catch any minute details until removal. note. the reports are listed as a conglomeration of notes from both tests. discrepancies between tests are noted in bold. i chose 1 hour as the wait time because that’s usually how long it takes before exposure, e.g. i apply, finish getting ready, get some pregame, include travel time, and roughly an hour later i’m with friends. 1 hour also allows the scent to dry down and get some more full-bodied notes. also, after each test, i asked myself “would i wear this?” this question was based solely on an initial smell and one more smell after an hour. not exactly love at first sight/smell, but many times you can tell when something is or isn’t for you. **the setup:** i tested each of these twice. i told my buddy and SEG that i had some new scents to try, and to help me pick the best smelling one. i did not say it was for me, so there’s no bias there. also, by testing each one twice (from their POV, a total of 6 individual tests) this tried to establish some level of consistency, while allowing for error with a stuffy nose or whatever. lastly, i tested in order on my left forearm. they tested in order starting with ff21, on my right forearm. i tried as much as possible to leave congruency out of the question. i figure since this whole test came about because nobody likes game, the scents would be radically different. whatever scent is chosen will need some work to get adjusted, but we’ll cross that bridge when we get there. here we go. **ff20** _immediate_ baby powder. it’s been a while but now i clearly remember this test and smell. a powdery smell, like flour or corn starch. and the scent was baby powder. _after one hour_ me: if i walked into an executive boardroom full of well-to-do people, i would expect it to smell like this. on a separate note, this seems like a scent for older people. clean cut, but not in an overly modern way. with such a clean older scent, it almost seemed as if it was more aftershave than cologne. i could see a drill sergeant wearing this on a night out. buddy: also said clean cut. pine-y, too. after he said that i agreed. smelled like a forest, not in a musky scent like some colognes, but like pine needles. crisp. but not sharp. SEG: she said “gross” on the first smell and then didn’t really want to smell it anymore. on the second run, she gave it more chances, still didn’t like it, ended up calling it a “dad cologne.” no amount of prodding would get anything else out of her, so i left it at that. _would i wear this?_ no. it’s not a bad scent, but it just doesn’t have that cologne feel. _additional huffs_ none needed. **ff21** _immediate_ like a fine soap. you know those soaps… translucent pastel colored, wrapped in tissue paper with a sticker on top and a double digit price tag. the scent was rich, exotic, and soapy. _after one hour_ me: in my notes i wrote “bbb.” simple as that: if i walked into bed bath and beyond, and headed straight for the “bath” section, i would smell this scent. it started off soapy and then got more soapy. a lot of people say the current game smells like laundry detergent and fabric softener sheets and all that. i never really got that description until ff21. it wasn’t even a fine soap anymore; it was just plain old soap, like you just walked out of the dove factory. buddy: liked it both times. enjoyed the sweetness of it. **did catch the soapy feeling on the second run but called it “like a cleaner”.** SEG: said it didn’t have a cologne feel to it. she used the word “artificial” and i like that. compared it to those $.75 cologne sprayer machines you sometimes see in public restrooms. sure, it smells nice, but it’s merely chemicals on your skin instead of creating a scent. did not catch the soapy/cleaner elements. _would i wear this?_ no, but with some modifications, maybe. tone down the sweetness and keep the “fine soap” appeal. that opens up another door of “knowing what ammo does, should it smell like this?” eh… _additional huffs_ i smelled this a few more times and couldn’t really put my finger on the scent. then i figured it out: _deodorant_. took me back to the days of when i chose deodorant based on the scent (and wore it as a scent) instead of the deodorizing properties. **ff22** _immediate_ AL. CO. HOL. i lost nose hairs and brain cells on that huff. wow. after standing outside and clearing my nose, i tried another huff. feminine elements, like a perfume. not a girly perfume, not a refined perfume like no. 5, but like something with a female vibe. _after one hour_ me: i like it. some cool elements balanced with feminine essences. ammo borders on safe for work as long as you keep it in check. this scent borders on safe for work as long as you don’t overdo it. almost seems like a perfect match. also good because with the feminine essences, girls won’t be inclined to be repulsed by it, like if you were to bathe in axe spray. buddy: likes it. compared it to his current colognes: abercrombie and fitch something, acqua di gio, one other one (polo something? notes are shabby here). good scent for going out. SEG: fell in love. she’s the prime example of a girl not being repulsed by it. a lot of the guys who pursue her currently are the “axe wearing” guys. some of them are great guys; she just can’t stand their body sprays or cheesy colognes. [ff22] is a fresh scent that lets people know you’re around, without overpowering anything. (her words) _would i wear this?_ yes, **but,** only after changing that initial alcohol blast. if i had to quickly spray on some ammo before bed, that alcohol smell might kill the vibe. _additional huffs_ smells good. **runner-up:** ff21. **my personal choice, and the choice of two others:** ff22 ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 5:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/316 "2009-10-03T05:06:40Z")
let’s be real here: when snoopyace talks, listen up. when snoopyace says to add mx292 to mx336, do it. good things result. 😮 thursday 10.1.09 **Product name,scent and strength** mx336 v1b601, game scent, strength unknown **Application dosage and locations** showered fresh 1s front neck 1s mx292 front neck 10p **Time exposure began** 10:01p **Environment tested in** house for pregame bars **Appearance** dressy **Self effects** calm, confident, collected, a bit cocky. you know you’re serious business with mx292, so it’s hard to avoid that. my main self effects came later in the night. **Effects to others** i wanted to go out and have fun. haven’t really been out in the scene much since i was down and out a few weeks ago. my buddy shared that mindset and we set out to create some good times. this mix was meant to be purely sexual. sure, mx292 and mx336 both have some social qualities and what not, but i was wearing it to be sexual. props to snoopyace for this idea. knowing that it was meant to be sexual, i thought about waiting until we were out the door to apply. i figured such a sexual mix would be “wasted” on pregame with my buddy, and i wanted things as fresh as possible. then i thought more about results. it wouldn’t hurt to start this mix out with my buddy and see how he reacts. moreover, i wanted him to get the same vibe as me (sexual). lastly, there’s always that slight room for error of getting too hyped at pregame and completely forgetting to apply. thus i applied right before pregame. my buddy caught the social properties pretty early. straight chatterbox all night. then he eased up a bit and caught more of the status aspect of mx292. a little bit more swagger, standing up tall, getting his vibe set. there was also a hint of ih -like conversation. i put a song on that i like but figured he dislikes, since he always changes the station when it comes on the radio. he grooves for a bit and then says “you know, i really like this song.” simple things like that. pregame went well, overall a total of 45 minutes. i took it easy during this time – the mix was kicking, but i didn’t want to rush the vibe. we hopped on the bus and headed toward the fun places. exposure to other people began roughly 1.5 hours after app. as soon as i stepped off the bus for the 2 block walk to the bar, my swag was on and ready to go. the doorman had his back to the door as we approached. he turned around and my id was out and facing the right way for his scanner machine. he took it, eyed me up, and handed it back. no scan. i took it and walked into the entryway so he could process my buddy. i’m already up at the bar and my buddy was still back there. i think he got scanned. not a bad thing since we have nothing to hide. it might’ve been some status at work since i didn’t get scanned. i know i didn’t purposely try to ooze status since i was focused on sexual. maybe that’s why it worked – it wasn’t forced. so i pony up to the bar and look down the bar to grab a bartender’s attention. this is a very interesting rectangle bar so as soon as you walk in the door, you can see 3 out of 4 sides. a bartender who is running around looking for a certain bottle sees me and acknowledges that i’m next. while waiting, i casually look to my left. a group of girls is sitting at a corner and the middle one (very attractive blonde, prob low/mid 20’s) is also looking around, and we meet eyes. she kinda smiles and looks away. way too far away for it to be a phero hit but i ran with it anyway. i tell the bartender my order and go back to looking at this girl. again she meets my eyes and we have what i like to call “eye sex.” if you’ve ever locked eyes with someone from across the room, or looked at your SO right before hitting the bedroom, you’ve had eye sex. this girl was loving it. her friends were trying to talk to her and she was just staring at me. i noticed eventually they started talking around her. my drinks came back so i refocused to pay and grab them. i look over one more time as the bartender is getting change and this girl has pushed her boobs out and was playing with her hair. prime time to go talk to her, right? unfortunately, no. hard to understand without some backstory. these, and any girls who sit in their spot are looking for either free drinks or to chat up a guy who can get them free drinks. even if they were in range for pheros, i still wouldn’t necessarily count it as a hit. however, i ran with it because it helped elevate my sexual vibe. aside from not going out much in my downtime, i also got rusty with ioi management, eye contact games, etc. this was a very good practice runthrough before heading to the dance floor area to do it for real. also, it was 2 for 1 drink night on certain brands and if my buddy and i walked over with two drinks each, they would certainly try to finagle one of them out of us. you will see later that this bit me in the ass. with a glance and a smile over to the girls, we head to the dance floor. fairly dead for being close to midnight, but that’s how this place runs. immediate eye contact with a group of two girls and they were locked in. one of them was being a debbie downer on some text message rampage and i could see the other girl try to get her off the phone so she would be more social. it didn’t work so we just ended up trading smiles and looks. again, building up the vibe. now the fun kicks in. this is also where the 2 for 1 drinks bit me in the ass. we moved on to trade glances with another group of girls. two were being social and one being another debbie downer on the phone. i looked primarily at the brunette, who seemed harder to get. this had nothing to do with attractiveness; rather, since i have a gf, the pursuit means nothing to me. the girl who was more open and relaxed went to my buddy. they knew i was looking and always smiled back. for kicks, i told my buddy that the open-looking girl kept checking him out. can’t say for sure if she did, but it was a safe bet and my shy buddy needs some pot-stirring comment like that to get him going. here i am drinking my drink when the brunette comes over and asks if the other one (sitting on a rail) was for her. typical sniper girl line. whiskey on the rocks with a ginger ale floater, not your typical girl drink. i bit, but had a deeper goal in mind. she took it and i bent down to whisper in her ear, “do you like whiskey?” she said “no, i prefer rum and coke.” this is where the mix hit her hard. i lean down again to tell her she can take a sip to see if she likes it and when i stand back up, her big fat doe eyes are looking back at me. the biggest dihl i’ve seen in recent times. the first whisper got her, the second blew her away. she took a sip and i asked her if she liked it. she literally shook her head to break out of her trance and then sort of nodded to say yes. i tried to one-up my previous pot-stirring comment by saying that she should really ask my buddy if she can have my drink, since he paid for them. at this point i was hoping to let her run with it and possibly introduce her friend. no luck. my buddy froze up. i told her she could have the drink and she said thanks, and for me to go dance with her later. so, i lost a drink, but at 2 for 1, i could afford to lose a drink to gain some practice back. i chugged the rest of my drink (hello rough morning) and went to join her on the dance floor. note to self and others: when you have multiple drinks, hide the ones you’re not drinking or else they might get sniped. i’m having a blast on the dance floor. at first we danced at the “stranger” distance and it was funny to watch her lean her head back to get more of the mix and yet keep her body away from mine. eventually she eased back into me and threw some kino around. at this new close distance, she could turn around to talk in my ear and be face to face with the mix. i let it take her away. then, two things happened that put a damper on things: 1. my buddy completely froze up. normally he does this and it’s ok, whatever. it got annoying last night. the girls danced in a circle and i jumped in behind my girl. i motion to my buddy to come join us. the girls even backed up to create an opening in the circle for him. he just smiled, shook his head, and stood there. i totally read the girls wrong too as the one who i thought was uptight actually came to talk to me (and steal my drink, argh) and the one i thought was open should’ve gone to talk to my buddy but didn’t. it just got out of control – “oh yeah, he likes you guys and really wants to dance, but he’s kinda shy.” that only gets you so far; after that, you have to walk the walk. i motioned, the girls motioned, we all motioned, he just stood there. coincidentally they started to lose interest and a bad song came on, so i told my girl i was taking a break. they went off into another area of the dance floor and we didn’t really see them again for the rest of the night. 2. very weird thing. i wore button-fly pants last night. for some reason, the crotch of these pants would bunch up and protrude outward, making it look like i was very, _very_ excited to dance with this girl. well, let’s just say that this was only an illusion. a simple fix of the pants and the crotch bulge was gone. the odd thing is that if i didn’t fix it, it felt weird. she probably thought she was brushing up against something she didn’t want to brush up against (yet). i know i felt it because it felt the same as when i brush up against sarah when i’m “very excited” to dance with her. i got away with it for most of the dancing but there was one point when i forgot to adjust and she started grinding on me, then immediately pulled away. after that she just never really got as close as before. - i found out later that it was because i moved my phone from my front pocket into my rear pocket. a girl very early on in my relationship stages told me to move my front pocket things when dancing with other girls so they don’t feel awkward bulges and can grind better. i guess it was my dancing style last night (this has never happened before) and the phone placement; it pulled on my pants at a weird angle and thus i ended up with a crotch bulge. woe is me. that sums up the highlight of my night. my buddy got pissed that he missed his chance so he started drinking more to try to loosen up. he got way drunk before any new girls showed up so i had to take him home. while we were drinking though, i had a few good hits. eye contact, hands on shoulder/chest/abs as girls passed, general gravitation towards us. **Duration of effects** 3 hours **Effects from mixing with other products** see above. **Range** mix carried about 10 feet. good diffusion targets \< 5 feet **Time of exposure** 4 hours **conclusion** very sexual mix, even at such low doses. i actually don’t think i need to ramp up my mx336 dose. i will try 2 or maybe even 3s to see what happens, but 1s works fine for me now. i do want to pair it with something crazy sexual like tuth 2x or something crazy social like spaceland and see what happens. **also** **I MISS GAME SCENT ALREADY** ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/317 "2009-10-03T14:39:55Z")
Whoo! I’m glad that mix worked out for you! I had a feeling it would. Awesome report by the way. Happy testing! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2009, 7:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/318 "2009-10-04T07:04:49Z")
**not phero related** hard times in the relationship department nowadays. sarah and i started out at the same school living a few minutes away from each other. good time to build a solid foundation. over the summer we were only a few hours apart. technically it was long distance but we didn’t think much of it. hung out a few times throughout the summer and had a lot of fun. then the real distance started. now we’re a few hours apart by plane. this past first month, we went through as a happy-go-lucky “honeymoon phase” where all bad things got filed away in the trash. i went to go visit her once near the end of the first month and then after that, we had our first distance-related disagreement. smoothed things out from there and i think our relationship got even stronger. then this past weekend was homecoming at our old school and she went back and her friends were there and my old party crew guys were there. really, i think i was the only person missing. everyone asked her where i was and she had to reply that i couldn’t leave my school because i had already done so a few weeks ago, and that she was scheduled to visit me this coming week. well, with homecoming comes alcohol. with alcohol comes emotions. she had just enough to drink to fire up those deep emotions, and people asking her about her boyfriend or where i was was fuel to the fire. she started with the usual “i miss you” texts, and i handled those well. then she moved on to the “you should be here” texts. that got kinda squirrely. i joked a bit and said “well you’re coming here soon” and she replied that she wanted me there. this goes on and on for a while and then we say good night on seemingly good terms. i spoke with her before that and she sounded sober. then she sends a text saying that she’s mad and she wants me to be there. this was the last straw for me. i told her that using this as an argument against me was completely uncalled for, and that she should know distance was going to be hard. she replied “i’m just joking, calm down. you can’t always visit me when you want, i understand.” ok so i was kidding about that being the last straw. _this_ was the last straw. really? i had a response typed up and ready to go but i didn’t send it because i figured it would just blow things up. basically my text covered a few things: 1. just joking? how am i supposed to infer that through a text message? especially one without any sort of smiley indicating a joke. 2. now let’s say she was just joking. why is that so radically different that what she has been saying all night, with the “i miss you” and “wish you were here” comments? which part is the joke, and which part is serious? 3. this is the main reason i withheld the text. everything has been very “her”-centric. _i_ have to go visit _her_. when i joked saying she was coming here soon, she said that wasn’t good enough; _i_ had to go _there_. i wrote something along the lines of a relationship being a mutual thing. i can dedicate some time and resources to fly out and visit her, and then it comes time where she has to reciprocate. not everything revolves around her. obviously point 3 would’ve sent her through the roof so i typed it, then deleted it. walked away for a bit, got some food, then sent her a good night text. she was probably already asleep. two distance-related disagreements, all within ~2 weeks of each other, and in the first 2 months of being apart. **is this a sign?** we promised each other that we would end things if something started to go awry. we have mutual friends and we told each other we wanted to still be friends if things didn’t turn out, so in a perfect light we want to end things gracefully instead of having an ugly breakup and then being awkward around mutual friends. fighting over distance seems like a bad way to go. **is there an end?** i have two years left at my school for the rest of my program. i plan to do some type of work/study program after that, definitely not at her school. this means more distance. she has four years left in her professional program so that means at least four more years of distance, plus an extra however many years my work/study program goes. _when does it stop?_ my buddy, the one i always reference in my recent stories, said something profound when we were first getting to know each other. he and his gf, who was one year older than him, used to do distance as well. they started out at the same school and then she graduated and went to work. their goal was for him to get a job in that town or go to school in or near that town. needless to say, he picked a school way far away from that town. they saw that this was not going to work and they ended it peacefully. he said that distance only works when there is an end in sight. their “end” was for them to be in or near the same town. the school we’re at now gave him a great offer and he didn’t want to turn it down because he’s young and knows that education is important. so he knew their “end” was unreachable, and thus they broke up. he’s on good terms with her now, roughly a year later. i see him smile when he texts her in class and they talk online occasionally. and then there’s me and sarah. we talk almost every day on the phone, most days we even get on skype. she sends me fun stuff in the mail and i bake her cookies and stuff. last month i went to visit her at her new place and now she’s coming to visit me at my new place. _but when does it end?_ in this current short run, i don’t see an end. i don’t see that time and place where we can be doing things and not be multiple hours away. luckily, if you can call it that, we’re still in roughly the midwest part of the states. what if my program takes me to a coast? to a new continent? i’m 23 and this is my third serious relationship. way too early to call it quits and settle down now. do i give up my potential future? does she give up her potential future? one thing that does not help my case at all is the nature of our mutual friends. they’re the traditional meat and potatoes old fashioned people. many of them married their high school sweethearts, one has settled down with his first real relationship from college (graduated now), and another thinks he’s found “the one” and there’s been serious talks of engagement. sarah grew up with some of the same backgrounds as these people so the more she hears about their successes, the more she wants to be like them. i did not grow up with these backgrounds so while i’m happy for these couples, i don’t desire to be like them. i’m 23. a whole world ahead of me. to settle down now, to limit myself or sarah in future opportunities so that we can be close… that just seems like missing out on so much. it’s late and i’m rambling now, but i wanted to get this off my chest. hard to see that we’re having so many problems lately. i want the best for us and if nothing comes up, i’m not gonna find a way to bring it up. however, i also want us to end gracefully, should we end. we’ve built a good friendship and inevitably we’ll be around each other again. perhaps that is wanting too much? 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**Author:** ![Warm\_It\_Up\_Chris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/34f0e0/32.png) [@Warm\_It\_Up\_Chris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warm_It_Up_Chris)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2009, 8:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/319 "2009-10-04T08:40:54Z")
“…_the biggest dihl](http://) i’ve seen in recent times. the first whisper got her, the second blew her away. she took a sip and i asked her if she liked it. she literally shook her head to break out of her trance and then sort of nodded to say yes_.” 2nd time I have come across the acronym DIHL By context I get the idea that it is similar to IOI. It is a clickable link in both posts, but leads to a dead page. Can anybody help me out with what dihl stands for? ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2009, 9:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/320 "2009-10-04T09:13:02Z")
Deer in the headlights look. AKA doggy-dinner-bowl look. Staring at you as if she is hypnotised by you. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524.md?page=15) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524.md?page=17)