# pheromone fried rice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [January 5, 2009, 9:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524 "2009-01-05T09:16:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/601 "2013-02-27T23:59:25Z")
**When anticipating a crowd goes right, then wrong, then right** 2s [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) neck 1s MX330 neck I had a business event last week with some people from another office. I figured it was going to be typical business people and maybe some older women (30’s) so I loaded up on the status pheros and went with a shot of MX330 for the older women. The MX297 worked as expected. I was maybe the youngest guy there and people were treating me as if I was in my 30’s with years of business under my belt. There were some points when I didn’t know exactly what I was talking about but like always, I said enough to sound like I knew and gave off a vibe of confidence. It reflected back to me in lots of firm handshakes and eye contact. All that went right. Then, she appeared. A young beauty (24, as I later found out), mixed Asian, fresh out of business school with minimal experience. We locked eyes and I, coming off my cloud of confidence, went over to introduce myself. She reciprocated my eagerness and we started talking. But wait. I was phero’d up for women in their 30’s, yet my one and only target for the night was ten years younger. Things went wrong. 😮 I spent a bit of time downplaying my status because I didn’t want to scare her away. There’s only two years of difference but from all that earlier talking with older business people, I felt like keeping up that level of status would’ve made it seem like she was talking to a boss or something. I actually thought to myself at one point, “Wow, this girl is really young” but again, there’s only two years of difference. She had a pull-push-pull effect that I’ve seen before. During the first hour we talked, she was stuck on my side. I think she was a huge fan of game scent, not to mention any of the effects the pheros had on her. Then, there was a short break for refreshments. She and I sort of went our separate ways and talked to our own groups of people but stayed relatively close in distance. She kept locking eyes with me but never made an approach toward me, even when she was free. It was like she wanted to come over but she kept telling herself no. It’s OK, I waited. 😉 Then came the second pull effect. For the next roughly ninety minutes after the refreshment period, she was again stuck on my side. The high point came when she was sitting down in the row in front of me with her group and I was in my row with my group. A latecomer in her group showed up and she immediately said “Hey, take my seat, I can move a row back” and quickly sat next to me. I was surprised by how quick that happened. Anyway, more talking, laughing, bit of kino, hug goodbye (not bad for a business event, three hours after meeting each other) and she asked for my number. Things went right again. 😃 I’d give myself a B+ on the night. I’m not sure if she was DIHL all night or I’m just not used to that much eye contact, but she kept looking deep into my eyes. For some reason, even with my confidence and all that, I reverted back to my old self where I couldn’t look her in the eyes for longer than a few seconds. There were some points where I was looking off into the distance while talking to her. That’s sad. I just couldn’t bring myself to match eye contact. It’s a number one priority for me to fix that. **Conclusion** When you’re phero naked and wishing you weren’t, or if you have on the “wrong” pheros for a target, don’t give up. I didn’t, and it resulted in the most organic way I’ve ever received 10 digits before. That’s a good feeling. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/602 "2013-03-03T15:21:23Z")
Yes, use the tools at hand… use the tools at hand! Good job! I truly enjoyed your playing the waiting game. Too many times I see guys going for too much attention from the gals. Let her ‘look’ for you as well. Let her wait! Also letting her looking for ways to look for your attention. Great play! Eye contact is such an important part of your social proof, I would suggest you continue on getting that part down. You can create a deeper rapport, with your eyes, by making sure you maintain a calm feel, embracing your internal confidence so that it will be reflected in your eyes, so that when your looking into her eyes, you’re comfortable to FIND deep in your eyes, the intimate corners of her soul! 🙂 Love your mone fried rice! 1Alpha . ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/603 "2013-03-15T21:48:34Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > Yes, use the tools at hand… use the tools at hand! > > Good job! I truly enjoyed your playing the waiting game. Too many times I see guys going for too much attention from the gals. Let her ‘look’ for you as well. Let her wait! Also letting her looking for ways to look for your attention. Great play! > > Eye contact is such an important part of your social proof, I would suggest you continue on getting that part down. You can create a deeper rapport, with your eyes, by making sure you maintain a calm feel, embracing your internal confidence so that it will be reflected in your eyes, so that when your looking into her eyes, you’re comfortable to FIND deep in your eyes, the intimate corners of her soul! 🙂 > > Love your mone fried rice! > > 1Alpha > . Thank you! Love the support like this! Through thick and thin, busy times and all, this is why I keep coming back. Eye contact is something I’ve been wanting to do a complete post about but never found the time, seeing as how I’m behind on my regular posts anyway. In short, I’ve not found the right eye contact vibe for me yet. Sometimes I feel like I’m staring through the other person’s eyes and then I feel a little weird. I’ve also been told to look at a spot on the person’s face close to the eyes, which works a bit better for me, but sometimes I start analyzing the face and lose interest in the conversation. Or, I can fall back into my usual eye contact routine: look for a bit, look away, repeat. This is where I’m most comfortable but it is not the most effective. I fully agree with 1Alpha though - eye contact is where the connection is made. For my updates today, I have OK news and good news. OK news: I had a date with the girl I met from the last post. I don’t know how far things will go with her so I won’t give her a nickname just yet. I say that because during our date, she made it clear that she was ready to settle down. She turns 25 this year and wants to get married around 27, assuming 2 solid years of dating someone. She also described what she’s looking for in a mate: Asian, older, successful job, education level to match hers. This describes a lot of people and maybe I’m just putting too much thought into it, but this describes me as well. 😮 I’m definitely not that far in my relationship timeline yet. Girls who are ready to settle down are usually pretty forward about this in the first few dates and I caught that vibe from her. I don’t want to mislead her down the wrong path so instead of slow playing this, I’m considering “not playing” this. If it comes up again, I’ll let her know my thoughts on this and possibly duck some punches at the same time. 😛 In all honesty, it’s refreshing to see this type of forwardness from a girl. Good news: I got some Summer Edition Ammo and have used it on a few test runs. I’m excited about an Ammo product that’s not too heavy on the scent and is already buffered. It’s also my first purchase in a long time. Hopefully summer rolls in soon and I can get to some more testing! ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/604 "2013-03-21T13:18:15Z")
Any news from the P96 guy, J, with this gal who is looking to marry by 27? 🙂 I’ve started up on AMMO, SE, this last week and the cool suave guy vibe is there… always at 3 sprays and will be obnoxious and irritant at 5 sprays… 🙂 1Alpha . ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/605 "2013-03-24T16:40:03Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > Any news from the P96 guy, J, with this gal who is looking to marry by 27? 🙂 > > I’ve started up on AMMO, SE, this last week and the cool suave guy vibe is there… always at 3 sprays and will be obnoxious and irritant at 5 sprays… 🙂 > > 1Alpha > > . Good news and better news. We talked via text and email and eventually worked out that we had different dating perspectives. I wasn’t as forward as I would’ve liked - it’s a touchy subject and my first time approaching it - but she got the hint and filled in the gaps. That’s the good news. Last week, I went out with some friends to explore a new part of town. It’s sort of a hipster / artsy district that I wouldn’t normally visit. Think tattoo parlors, dive bars, etc. I never turn down an invite to go out though. While on this excursion we met up with other people who knew my friends. One girl took a liking to me and we started sitting together at each new place. Very cute brunette, low 20’s, not looking to get married anytime soon. I made sure to confirm that on the spot. 😃 I must confess: I didn’t think I would like her at first. She has tattoos, has quirky tastes in books and music, etc. These qualities don’t define a person but they’re just very different than what I see in the girls I’ve dated. Keeping in line with my new life changes, I saw this not as an obstacle or deterrent but more like an open door. Here’s a girl who is almost completely different than girls I usually seek; let’s talk to her and see what she has to offer. And so we’re talking via email right now. It’s an interesting experience. Everything I talk about is new to her and everything she talks about is new to me. We do share some common interests though, like cooking and watching new movies. All in all, I think it’s a great way for me to broaden my horizons. Given that we’re so different, what could’ve led to her liking me? Ammo SE. 🆒 2s Ammo SE neck I had on 2s when I met this girl. 1s seems about right for anyone younger than 21. If I teach those computer classes again, I’ll go with 1s. 2s is perfect for an anytime mix. Not powerful enough to be too forward but still enough there to really shine through if I need it. 3s is good for when I know I’m going to be on the prowl. 4s and above, I get somewhat queasy with the scent. More on that later. Would we have connected without Ammo SE? Who knows. I do know that in loud dive bars, you have to really lean in to talk to someone and she got long exposures of it. Another lucky bounce for me was at the end when we were parting. Her and her friends’ style was to do hugs, not handshakes. She’s a few inches shorter than me so a hug put Ammo SE right in her face. Something to think about when she went home. One last confession to end this post: I actually don’t like the scent of Ammo SE that much. It reminds me too much of the FF series of scents. Something about them makes my head hurt if exposed for too long or too much. FF22 makes my head hurt right away. On the contrary, neroli, game, [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/), all those scents are fine no matter how many sprays. If you’re using Ammo SE, how are your tests coming along? Next tests: Ammo SE at the gym! ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 9:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/606 "2013-03-25T09:21:29Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > Good news and better news. We talked via text and email and eventually worked out that we had different dating perspectives. I wasn’t as forward as I would’ve liked - it’s a touchy subject and my first time approaching it - but she got the hint and filled in the gaps. That’s the good news. > > Last week, I went out with some friends to explore a new part of town. It’s sort of a hipster / artsy district that I wouldn’t normally visit. Think tattoo parlors, dive bars, etc. I never turn down an invite to go out though. While on this excursion we met up with other people who knew my friends. One girl took a liking to me and we started sitting together at each new place. Very cute brunette, low 20’s, not looking to get married anytime soon. I made sure to confirm that on the spot. 😃 > > I must confess: I didn’t think I would like her at first. She has tattoos, has quirky tastes in books and music, etc. These qualities don’t define a person but they’re just very different than what I see in the girls I’ve dated. Keeping in line with my new life changes, I saw this not as an obstacle or deterrent but more like an open door. Here’s a girl who is almost completely different than girls I usually seek; let’s talk to her and see what she has to offer. > > And so we’re talking via email right now. It’s an interesting experience. Everything I talk about is new to her and everything she talks about is new to me. We do share some common interests though, like cooking and watching new movies. All in all, I think it’s a great way for me to broaden my horizons. > > Given that we’re so different, what could’ve led to her liking me? Ammo SE. 🆒 > > 2s Ammo SE neck > > I had on 2s when I met this girl. 1s seems about right for anyone younger than 21. If I teach those computer classes again, I’ll go with 1s. 2s is perfect for an anytime mix. Not powerful enough to be too forward but still enough there to really shine through if I need it. 3s is good for when I know I’m going to be on the prowl. 4s and above, I get somewhat queasy with the scent. More on that later. > > Would we have connected without Ammo SE? Who knows. I do know that in loud dive bars, you have to really lean in to talk to someone and she got long exposures of it. Another lucky bounce for me was at the end when we were parting. Her and her friends’ style was to do hugs, not handshakes. She’s a few inches shorter than me so a hug put Ammo SE right in her face. Something to think about when she went home. > > One last confession to end this post: I actually don’t like the scent of Ammo SE that much. It reminds me too much of the FF series of scents. Something about them makes my head hurt if exposed for too long or too much. FF22 makes my head hurt right away. On the contrary, neroli, game, Akuto, all those scents are fine no matter how many sprays. > > If you’re using Ammo SE, how are your tests coming along? > > Next tests: Ammo SE at the gym! Great testing bro. Always good to gain new experiences, put it this way, never put a timetable on things, you’re confining yourself to some experiences that you never know how it may turn out, just because things don’t align to what we want doesn’t meant it can’t be a wonderful journey. Hope everything goes well. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 8:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/607 "2013-03-27T20:33:43Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Great testing bro. > > Always good to gain new experiences, put it this way, never put a timetable on things, you’re confining yourself to some experiences that you never know how it may turn out, just because things don’t align to what we want doesn’t meant it can’t be a wonderful journey. > > Hope everything goes well. Thank you! Definitely a rep coming your way; I like the way you wrote that. Since I feel like we might be seeing more of this girl, I’ll nickname her QEG for my posts: Quirky Email Girl. Again, I’m not trying to define her but she is quirky and we started talking via email, so this should help readers (and myself) follow along with future posts. This is actually the most nervous and excited I’ve been in my entire life with regards to talking to a girl, maybe except for my very first girlfriend. I’m excited because the phero magic is back. Sure, I’ve had plenty of phero successes over the years but this one is feeling like way back when I sprayed my first sprays and saw the effects before my own eyes. I’m really riding a positive wave right now and I get this feeling of “I know I’m doing well, I know my pheros work, and I know that’s a powerful combination.” Plus, back then I only had a few members of the Instant line. Now I have buckets of pheros that have been tested and proven and can really craft an individual mix for the situation. I’m nervous because this might be the first time I didn’t know the girl before getting to know her. I met my first girlfriend at work and then my later girlfriends in school. I had seen them and knew a good deal about them before I really got to know them on a personal level. QEG just kinda showed up, literally. We introduced ourselves, got to talking, and then at some point during the night, something clicked and we decided to talk more. You might say, “Well yeah, that’s how it’s supposed to work,” and maybe that’s true, but it’s never worked like that for me. Even the fundamentals are different here. This old dog is learning some new things. We’ve exchanged phone numbers and have started to reach the point in our email conversations where the answers and questions and topics are getting more serious. Assuming we don’t want to write paragraphs and paragraphs in each email exchange, we’ll probably meet up soon. I’ll keep you guys updated. I tried 1s of Ammo SE on my ankles before going to the gym and it was a wash. I did not really recognize many more IOI than I do normally. I think that’s enough testing there; I’ve never really had much success at the gym and now I’m so focused on my new workout plan, I don’t really look forward to testing at the gym. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/608 "2013-03-29T21:15:44Z")
That’s fantastic Jay! That nervous feeling had always been kind of weird for me when I was young and dating, but as I got old I realized it was just my emotions trying to get my brain to catch up with that whole thinking thing. It’s so much cooler to b on the forum and able to interact with my friends as a regular guy. Super psyched to be here and looking forward to reading more. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/609 "2013-04-09T20:14:24Z")
A few ramblings… Some people online have said that raw honey works well in treating cystic acne. You apply it directly onto the problem areas and then wash it off twenty minutes later. I was skeptical but I had raw honey around so I tried it. I can’t believe it but it’s actually working. I’m on day ten with no other changes to my cleansing regimen and the red bumps are going down. I did some more research and it seems like raw honey (the thick yellow stuff, not the kind you get in a bottle) is naturally antibacterial. Putting it on your face kills the bacteria that cause acne. I’m still not sure how that relates to cystic acne, which grows from deep under the skin, but I am glad it’s working. I had pretty good self-confidence with acne before - after a short meltdown which I posted about earlier - but of course, having a clear(er) face really boosts the self-esteem and confidence. I decided to pull out some big guns for a test. 1s A314 R25 SBE neck 3s Ammo SE forearms 2s P126 @ 15 mcg neck 2s P86 @ 10 mcg neck The P86 was a trial run for when I meet up with QEG (more on that at the end). The P126 was a throwback to the good old days. I was just feeling too good and had to use it. This test was multifaceted. I’ve been hanging out recently with a new group of friends and I wanted to see how they would react to A314 and the P’s. These are the same group of friends through which I met QEG. I like them and it was helpful to judge their reactions to pheros (the first time didn’t really count) to know how to tune my sig in the future. The other part of the test was get reacquainted with the P’s for use with QEG. I met up with two guys and we rode together to a restaurant to meet a fourth guy. Immediately the conversation was on the topic of women. Nothing too sexual, just our interests and tastes in women. At dinner, the conversation progressed to swapping stories about hitting on girls. They were really feeling the addition of A314 and the P’s. We noticed a few of the groups of girls sitting by us kept looking over. We weren’t talking loud enough for them to hear, plus there was music, so this was more of a check to see that we were noticing the same signs. After dinner, we went to two bars. The first one was an outdoor patio-type bar. Lots of good IOI here but we quickly realized that this was a “couples” scene so we left after a while. The second bar was a little bit better. Typical weekend hangout. Two of the guys approached girls and had success. The other guy and I danced with girls and had a good time. To the group, I think this was a good mix. I’ll take out the P126 next time since I have to save it, and I might replace P86 with something else. This is a very “ready to go” group of friends, much different than my other friends. To me, it was nice to feel P126 again. It’s definitely on my list for meeting QEG again. Maybe P86 as well. I feel these are great first impression pheros. On that note, I’ve still been talking to QEG, albeit now at a lesser pace. We’ve definitely run out of email-friendly topics to discuss (without writing long responses and questions) so now we just email or text briefly throughout the week. She’s busy with work and I’m starting to get busy with work so we planned out a dinner meeting just to have it in the books ahead of time. I’m trying to get a feel for all my old go-to hit pheros to find a good mix. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/610 "2013-04-14T22:38:22Z")
This journal started with a mix recipe borrowed from another user and I think it’s time to go back to those roots. My “date” with QEG is this weekend and I’ve been thinking of the right mix. Enter IBF: > [@P51Mustang](#): > > And IBF is > > A314 - x2 > TUTH - x2 > P96 - 30mcg > P83 - 30mcg > P74 - 15mcg I would actually use it as is but I’m not sure on the 2 shots of TUTH. That seems like a lot for my particular situation since I don’t want to come on too strong with the sexual side (just yet). First time meeting her sober, need a solid but not too forward impression, etc. Also, believe it or not, I don’t know QEG’s exact age but I do know she is younger. I’d rather undershoot -none than overshoot it. Mustang, if you’re reading this, I’d like your input. I’m thinking of swapping in 3x Ammo SE. That’s been very workable for me recently. I might also add a shot of Spaceland, CTTM, or ishine for self effects to loosen up a bit. All of this applied about 45 minutes before meeting her to let the 6-8 shots of scent dry down. We have a light dinner and a play planned. Unfortunately the play means we won’t be able to interact much during that time but at the very least, it’s 1.5 hours of her sitting in my cloud. Dinner will be my time to shine. We picked a light cuisine since we expect to be talking through most of it. Nerves are cranking up over here… 😕 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 7:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/611 "2013-04-15T07:01:56Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > This journal started with a mix recipe borrowed from another user and I think it’s time to go back to those roots. My “date” with QEG is this weekend and I’ve been thinking of the right mix. > > Enter IBF: > > I would actually use it as is but I’m not sure on the 2 shots of TUTH. That seems like a lot for my particular situation since I don’t want to come on too strong with the sexual side (just yet). First time meeting her sober, need a solid but not too forward impression, etc. Also, believe it or not, I don’t know QEG’s exact age but I do know she is younger. I’d rather undershoot -none than overshoot it. > > Mustang, if you’re reading this, I’d like your input. I’m thinking of swapping in 3x Ammo SE. That’s been very workable for me recently. > > I might also add a shot of Spaceland, CTTM, or ishine for self effects to loosen up a bit. All of this applied about 45 minutes before meeting her to let the 6-8 shots of scent dry down. > > We have a light dinner and a play planned. Unfortunately the play means we won’t be able to interact much during that time but at the very least, it’s 1.5 hours of her sitting in my cloud. Dinner will be my time to shine. We picked a light cuisine since we expect to be talking through most of it. > > Nerves are cranking up over here… 😕 That is the thing, this blend really isn’t made to have quick quantifiable effects the first time out, it was carefully blended to give a smooth and subtle signature. As for the TUTH, you can go with one spray if you’re not comfortable with two. You’ll have the status which, as you know, will always be attractive to a girl. Remember also I’ve tested this out for a good two years now and tweaked it with Steve’s guidance. I know it works, he’s tried it and worked very very well. I would say trust me and let the mix stay as is, what you can modify is the TUTH and the A314 content. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) never hurts but I just feel this is good the way it is. Also since your nerves are cranking, all the best mixes in the world aren’t going to help if you’re unsure of what you’re putting on. If you have a mix that you know has worked for you, and it’ll help alleviate some uncertainty in your first date, then use that. I know how it is to constantly worry about making a great first time impression, hence why I tested and tested this mix out and why I’m confortable and confident when I wear it. If you have that go to mix, use that instead. I’ve had great feedback from others and my own gf about how this mix makes them feel, I think it would work well for you. You are the P96 guy and you know how well this works. Good luck and feel free to PM any questions. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/612 "2013-04-16T22:47:34Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > That is the thing, this blend really isn’t made to have quick quantifiable effects the first time out, it was carefully blended to give a smooth and subtle signature. > > As for the TUTH, you can go with one spray if you’re not comfortable with two. You’ll have the status which, as you know, will always be attractive to a girl. > > Remember also I’ve tested this out for a good two years now and tweaked it with Steve’s guidance. I know it works, he’s tried it and worked very very well. I would say trust me and let the mix stay as is, what you can modify is the TUTH and the A314 content. Instant Shine never hurts but I just feel this is good the way it is. Also since your nerves are cranking, all the best mixes in the world aren’t going to help if you’re unsure of what you’re putting on. If you have a mix that you know has worked for you, and it’ll help alleviate some uncertainty in your first date, then use that. I know how it is to constantly worry about making a great first time impression, hence why I tested and tested this mix out and why I’m confortable and confident when I wear it. If you have that go to mix, use that instead. > > I’ve had great feedback from others and my own gf about how this mix makes them feel, I think it would work well for you. You are the P96 guy and you know how well this works. > > Good luck and feel free to PM any questions. This is a valid point. I forgot to take into account how my nerves would factor in. New development: she and I changed our date (I’m just going to call it that for simplicity) to include drinks. We are now doing a full dinner, light drinks, and then the play. She prompted the addition of drinks so that we could have a proper meal and some time to digest before the play. I agreed because of that and to allow for more time for the mix to work. 😛 Given this change, Mustang’s comments above, and my familiarity with the molecules in IBF, I will be using the mix as is. Looking back, I think I already had my chance for the “quick hit” first impression when I met her with Ammo SE on. That went well. This time around, it’s still a “first” impression but more serious, probably not as drunk, more drawn out, and with longer effects. I’ve used 2s TUTH before on low 20’s women with good results. At worst, I ghost and nothing happens. At best, it lures her in like crazy. Somewhere in the middle, it’s a nice, constant, sexual draw that I can play up or down as the situation requires. Lastly, the molecules in the mix are staples in my collection. I think even if my nerves go crazy, if I just focus on the basics, I’ll be OK. Speaking of nerves, they’re calming down a bit. I get caught up in situations like this where I overthink things. The restaurant has to be right, the drinks have to be right, we have to get the right seats at the play, etc. To a point, the night is planned out. Beyond that, it’s up to us and how we react to each other. Maybe we leave the play at intermission to continue catching up over drinks. Who knows? Just by telling myself to let things go as they go, I’ve relaxed a ton. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/613 "2013-04-17T21:33:35Z")
**MX330 and wine** My friends decided to go to happy hour today after work. I don’t think I’ve ever been out on a Wednesday outside of college. I looked in my bag for my spare “anytime” phero. It didn’t matter what it was; I was going to use it. Luckily it was MX330, the cougar mix. We get to the bar and notice it’s mostly older women, high 20’s to high 30’s. I excuse myself back to the car to put on another shot and then it was fun time. 🆒 3s MX330 neck Hit 1: We sat down at the bar and there was one chair between me and a woman (high 30’s / low 40’s) and her friends next to me. Within minutes, I noticed the woman turning to look directly at me occasionally. About 30 minutes in, she stood up to adjust her shirt and when she sat down, she moved her chair closer to me (but there was still an extra chair in the middle). Hit 2: My buddy on the far side catches the eye of the woman’s friend on the other far side (the bar was almost circular) and they start a conversation across all of us, so naturally everyone chimes in. The woman next to me quickly scoots into the free seat and tells her friends to move over so we can talk. I consider these two hits because up until now, I had not said anything to this woman next to me. Hit 3: We left the bar to sit at a table to order food. It was five of us at a six-top table. Right when we were done eating, the woman and her friends come near us. Some of them go over to another table to say hi to people they know and the rest come by to say bye to us. Immediately the woman jumps into the open seat by me. I’ve never seen someone rush to sit by me so quickly. I noticed she was only on half of her seat, the half closest to me. Hit 4: We stayed a while after dinner and then reverse happy hour started. This is basically happy hour part two with drink and food specials. A few friends had to go so three of us remained and moved over to a four-top table for drinks. One friend, the one who originally started the conversation with the women at the bar, was feeling extra good today or something because he saw two girls sitting alone, walked over, and invited them to sit with us. Just like that, out of the blue, no warning or anything. He might’ve been a little drunk. 😉 We get to talking. One girl is mid 30’s, the other one was high 20’s. The younger one took a liking to me real quick. I had been drinking wine all night so I was feeling good and sort of tipsy, but nowhere near drunk. It was that perfect level of relaxed and outgoing, yet controlled. I took every joke she said and spun it back at her and everyone loved it. There was some kino and arm leaning near the end of our conversation. Hit 5: I could tell the friend who invited the girls over was really interested in the older one. I excused myself to the restroom and when I came back, I stood by the older woman and said my butt was tired from sitting and that I needed to stand for a while. This gave my other friend, who had been standing previously, a chance to sit. I didn’t try to connect with the older woman too much but I did try to give as much of my sig as I could over to the friend who was interested in her. It went fairly well and by the end of the night, she was digging him pretty hard. The younger girl was visiting from out of town so nobody got her number. I think my friend got the email address of the older one. Not bad for a Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 11:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/614 "2013-04-19T11:35:56Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > This is a valid point. I forgot to take into account how my nerves would factor in. > > New development: she and I changed our date (I’m just going to call it that for simplicity) to include drinks. We are now doing a full dinner, light drinks, and then the play. She prompted the addition of drinks so that we could have a proper meal and some time to digest before the play. I agreed because of that and to allow for more time for the mix to work. 😛 > > Given this change, Mustang’s comments above, and my familiarity with the molecules in IBF, I will be using the mix as is. > > Looking back, I think I already had my chance for the “quick hit” first impression when I met her with Ammo SE on. That went well. This time around, it’s still a “first” impression but more serious, probably not as drunk, more drawn out, and with longer effects. > > I’ve used 2s TUTH before on low 20’s women with good results. At worst, I ghost and nothing happens. At best, it lures her in like crazy. Somewhere in the middle, it’s a nice, constant, sexual draw that I can play up or down as the situation requires. > > Lastly, the molecules in the mix are staples in my collection. I think even if my nerves go crazy, if I just focus on the basics, I’ll be OK. > > Speaking of nerves, they’re calming down a bit. I get caught up in situations like this where I overthink things. The restaurant has to be right, the drinks have to be right, we have to get the right seats at the play, etc. To a point, the night is planned out. Beyond that, it’s up to us and how we react to each other. Maybe we leave the play at intermission to continue catching up over drinks. Who knows? Just by telling myself to let things go as they go, I’ve relaxed a ton. Jay, I’ve been on dates when every single thing could possibly go wrong, has gone wrong. Remember that women will instinctively look for our reactions when these things happen. Take charge and don’t lose your cool. Things will go wrong lol, trust me on that one, it may be your ability to laugh it off or think on your feet that would make or break that date. You remind me of me when I was dating earlier on, its gotta be right it’s gotta work out, it’s gotta be borderline perfect. Its how YOU connect to HER that will make this date magical. A “nice time” is well, nice. You want a memorable time, and that’s going to happen when you are confident, relaxed, and in a good state. I’m glad you went with the mix. Go get your swag on. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/615 "2013-04-20T16:21:21Z")
Thanks Mustang! It really does help to hear words of encouragement like that. Tonight is the night. Part of my jitters are from not being on a date in a while. Part of my jitters are from not ever dating a girl I didn’t already know before. Once I settle into my groove, I should be fine. Acne has cleared up for the most part, could be better, but I think with dim lighting I’ll look OK. I’ve been telling myself a few things this whole week; maybe they can help some other people too. 1. Eye contact: my eye contact on dates has never been good. I usually end up looking at and thereby “talking to” my food or drink. Lack of eye contact is one of those problems that nobody will ever mention to you or help you fix; you just have to realize it for yourself and take action. I’m really going to work on my eye contact tonight. 2. Have fun: if you’ve read my journal, you know I love to have plenty of fun. However, sometimes the stresses of daily life are so great that even when I’m having fun, I forget to have fun. There’s always a nagging thing in my head, be it work, bills, whatever. I think it’s good to turn everything off at least once a week and really just enjoy the moment. 3. Forget about #1, #2, and anything else: 😃 To a point, yes, it’s good to tell yourself things to get in the right mindset. After that, clear your mind and just go and do it. I may report back tonight if there’s time and I’m not sleepy. If not, look for a report on both the date and the mix sometime next week. Here I go. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/616 "2013-04-20T22:22:33Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > Thanks Mustang! It really does help to hear words of encouragement like that. > > Tonight is the night. Part of my jitters are from not being on a date in a while. Part of my jitters are from not ever dating a girl I didn’t already know before. Once I settle into my groove, I should be fine. Acne has cleared up for the most part, could be better, but I think with dim lighting I’ll look OK. > > I’ve been telling myself a few things this whole week; maybe they can help some other people too. > > 1. Eye contact: my eye contact on dates has never been good. I usually end up looking at and thereby “talking to” my food or drink. Lack of eye contact is one of those problems that nobody will ever mention to you or help you fix; you just have to realize it for yourself and take action. I’m really going to work on my eye contact tonight. > > 2. Have fun: if you’ve read my journal, you know I love to have plenty of fun. However, sometimes the stresses of daily life are so great that even when I’m having fun, I forget to have fun. There’s always a nagging thing in my head, be it work, bills, whatever. I think it’s good to turn everything off at least once a week and really just enjoy the moment. > > 3. Forget about #1, #2, and anything else: 😃 To a point, yes, it’s good to tell yourself things to get in the right mindset. After that, clear your mind and just go and do it. > > I may report back tonight if there’s time and I’m not sleepy. If not, look for a report on both the date and the mix sometime next week. > > Here I go. 🆒 Hope it went well ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 7:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/617 "2013-04-21T07:19:40Z")
The 5-hour date that I just went on - long, by first date standards - was one of the most, if not the most, interesting pheromone journeys I’ve ever experienced. That deserves so much respect, I’ve written out the entire word “pheromone” instead of shortening it like I usually do. I know I said I would provide a report of how the date went in addition to a hit report. We can sum up the date like this: I crushed it. I was in control from the moment I put on the first drop of A314 to after the hug goodbye. That’s not important, though. I would instead like to focus on the mix, IBF, and how it crafted an incredible phero adventure and took me for a wild ride. IBF (courtesy of, and accidentally adapted from, P51Mustang): 2d A314, one neck, one forearm 2s TUTH split forearms 50 mcg P96 split forearms (my bottle’s dosage is 25 mcg and I tried for a tiny spray to get close to the original 30 mcg that was called for but accidentally double pumped) 30 mcg P83 split forearms 15 mcg P74 split forearms All applied 40 minutes before exposure to QEG **The pre-shock** I arrived to the restaurant early and she was already there, sitting at the table facing away from the door. I walked over and got her attention as I was sitting down. This may have been rude but I did this to avoid the awkward “Do we hug, shake hands, etc?” dance. Over the next 15 minutes, I noticed three types of “pre-shock” from her: 1. Typical first date shock. New date, new restaurant, unfamiliar surroundings. 2. Shock of seeing me. Most likely, she did not remember my face from before and had to take some time to process it. I recognized her because she is so quirky; to her, most guys aren’t quirky and thus it’s harder to stand out in her mind. 3. Shock of style differences. I was clean cut in slacks and a polo. My entire appearance and mannerisms were different than what she’s used to in her circle of friends. All the while, I was calm, collected, and in control. My eye contact was there and I gestured a lot with my hands while talking in order to build the phero cloud. Near the end of these 15 minutes, I could see her starting to get hit with the mix. **The actual shock** For the rest of dinner, maybe 35 minutes or so, she was in complete, actual shock. There were tons of DIHL and times when I asked a question and she sort of jumped awake and replied abruptly. At first, briefly, I thought I was ghosting from the TUTH. Then I realized it was just shock. How did I know? She was still responding positively. My ghosting and OD experiences have resulted in other people not responding or even responding negatively. There’s also the status component. 2d A314 was right on the mark. It was enough to elevate me above and beyond the normal crowd but not so much that she felt like she was talking to a judge or something. I noticed a lot of reverent looks from her - those ones where a girl bows her head down and looks up at you, but not in a flirty way. Add all this to the fact that I was leading the conversation topics, answering her questions and making her laugh, and pretty much the date was already a success at this point. **The breakdown** This next part is a super downer. It pains me a little to write it, and it might be painful to read, but it’s important for QEG’s back story and understanding her actions in any future journal posts. QEG is incredibly broken as a person. I feel like a dick just typing that but it’s true (though those are my words, not hers). She is one year younger than me and has seen and been through shit that would make any 20-something year old person crack. Maybe she herself cracked at one point; who knows. She did not get into too much detail but she did mention family problems, money problems, drug problems, and all sorts of other things. The reason she’s so quirky (and again, my words, not hers) is because this was how she dealt with problems, and is a result of her problems. Her tattoos seem to have meanings. She reads “weird” books because it either allowed her to escape from reality, or help her associate a fictional situation with real life and see how to resolve problems. There are major trust issues too, stemming from something she did not mention. She confirmed the date with me at least five times this past week over email, then right before the date (when she was probably already in the restaurant), she texted me and asked if I was still coming. I didn’t feel that she was truly comfortable on the date - taking away the shock and all that - until at least the second half, maybe the last third. It gets worse, sadly. I already knew of her problems and issues, just not their extent. I talked with friends of her friends and everything started out as highly credible rumors - that is, rumors with a lot of basis in fact and with lots of information. Then I dug deeper and found out that these were all true things. The breakdown started as we were walking to a bar after dinner. We passed a smoke shop that had a small crowd hanging outside of it. A smoke shop is a shop that sells tobacco-smoking products like pipes; however, most of the people who visit smoke shops put marijuana in the products. Our date happened on April 20th (4/20 in American date format) and the number 420 has a significance in the weed-smoking culture. QEG looked the crowd and said “Oh yeah, it’s 4/20 today, looks like people are celebrating.” Now that I think of it, it was probably a combination of the P83 and my wanting to put everything in the clear that led me to do the following action: I said to her, “Did you celebrate at all today? I know you used to.” _Editor’s note: I personally do not do drugs. I don’t mind if other people do but if someone is highly into drugs, like celebrating 4/20 or something similar, I think less of that person and I’m not afraid to voice that opinion._ She didn’t even question me or pretend like she didn’t know what I was talking about. She knew that I knew what I knew about her. She laughed it off and said “No, I’m not like that anymore” but visibly, she was shook up. At the bar, she kept saying “I’m so sorry that you know that”, “I had a bad past”, and other variants of those phrases. I just nodded. I had showed my hand, dealt my blow, and the ball was in her court now. It was clear to her that I thought of the “old her” as a lesser person; it was unclear to me if the “old her” still had any influence on the “current her” I was talking to that night. We settled into a drink and eventually she started talking again. She wanted to know how I knew about her past. I didn’t leak my sources but I gave her an otherwise full picture of what I knew and said I just found out by asking around, as is common on first dates when there are mutual friends of friends. She acknowledged this and slowly accepted it. Her breakdown hit a peak near the end of the first drink. We were talking about her drug problems and she was trying to make a case for herself that she was not that same person anymore. Her voice was weak and eventually she just was not making sense. I said to her, “Look, everyone has a past.” And boom, she broke down. Hard. For this I can definitely thank P83 and her bottled up emotions. I’m not necessarily proud of putting her on the verge of tears (and actually I think I did see some tears), but it was needed to move on with the night. She let it all out. She said she arrived at the restaurant extra early so that if I had responded “Sorry, can’t make it” to her “Are you still coming tonight?” text, she could leave and not waste too much of her time. She’s used to shady and flaky people. The two times I opened the door for her, once when leaving the restaurant and once when entering the bar, she was taken aback because nobody has ever opened a door for her. She started to apologize for being too sappy and I stopped her and said “No, let it all out.” Finally she got everything out and we could move on with the night. **The build-up, part 1** And so we moved on. We settled into drink two and shifted the conversation over to more fun first date questions like favorite things to do in town and other such nonsense. The mood changed, the alcohol was kicking in, and now it was time for TUTH to shine. The bar was starting to fill up so I moved my stool closer to her and straddled her stool so that she was basically sitting in between my legs. I also started some kino and she responded kindly. We finished up at the bar and still had some time before the play so she took me to a restaurant nearby that has a great bar. She was a little tipsy so she got a slice of cake to share with me and I got a drink. We were there 20, maybe 30 minutes and the conversation the whole time was completely sexual. We talked about sex versus lust versus love, favorite or interesting sexual positions, etc. She mentioned that she has experimented with other girls before and described in detail what she liked and didn’t like about doing so. It boiled down to her being very sexual with someone with whom she is comfortable, whether it’s a guy or girl. This again was P83 and bottled up feelings at play, though in a positive and sexual light. **The build-up, part 2** We left the second bar and headed over to the playhouse for the show. It was no more than a 10 minute walk and in that time, our flirtations increased multiple-fold. Playful jabs, sexual kino, everything except for putting my arm around her. I did not want to come on too strong yet. Then it was her turn to drop a bomb on me. Randomly, she asked me, “Will I see you again?” I was surprised by this question. We were not even to the main attraction of the night yet and she was already wondering if we would meet again. I stammered, “I… suppose so.” By this I meant that we had gotten in touch and like the same things, so it was easy for us to connect again, though I did not solidify a future meeting. She seemed to not like my answer and joked, “I was expecting a more enthusiastic ‘Sure!’ answer.” I turned the tables back on her and asked, “Well, what made you ask me at this point in the night?” She replied, “I’m having a really great time with you and I enjoy this.” Then, and only then, did her walls come down. Up until this point, she was highly guarded. Rightfully so, I guess, given her past. That was the reason I didn’t want to put my arm around her before. With the walls down, it was a different story. I said to her, “I’m having a great time too and I think we’ll have more fun in the future.” She enjoyed this answer much more and squeezed my arm while saying “Awesome!” in a very happy voice. I don’t know if she was comfortable yet with me at that point, but I do know that it was probably right here that she was finally comfortable with the date. I had shown up early, been a gentleman all night, respectfully shown my stance on some issues she had in the past, listened to her outpouring of feelings, and flirted with her at her pace, and it seemed to sink in for her. **The slow burn kicks in** Mustang mentioned the slow burn while describing the effects of IBF. I’m sure if the negative part of the night hadn’t happened, the burn would’ve been more noticeable. At the playhouse, though, the burn was definitely there. She knew one of the ticket agents and got us upgraded to box seats. These seats are in the back so the view is not as good as being in the front but it’s a semi-private booth area where you can order light food and drinks. We both got a drink and sat down. I sat on the opposite side of the table from her because the waitress said our seating area was not expected to be full, and at first I let QEG have some space. She turned to me and asked, “Why are you over there?” I replied, “There’s enough space to stretch out a bit.” I may not be the smartest guy around but I’ve been around the block enough times to know when to take a hint. She wanted me to sit next to her. I was still processing her walls coming down so I didn’t realize it at first but once I did, I took the hint and moved over next to her. I actually one-upped myself and moved my chair behind and diagonal to her so that I was again more or less straddling her and she was sitting in between my legs. This made it very easy for her to lean back or turn slightly around to talk to me during the show. I was sore and aching by the end of the show from the awkward seating position, but it was worth it. During highlights of the play, she would turn around to whisper to me and I would lean forward to listen. We were within kissing distance multiple times. I also leaned forward and rested one arm on the table and another on the back of her chair and many times, she leaned into either arm. At one point, she sort of put her arm in my hand. The most sexual kino from me, due to my awkward position, was putting my hand on the small of her back when she turned around. The most sexual kino from her was putting her hand on my inner thigh a few times, and she rubbed that area once. We had split the bill at each place that night and were planning to split the drinks at the playhouse. Due to how the waitress approached the table from the back, QEG did not see the check brought over. I decided not to mention it and just gave my credit card to the waitress. After the show, QEG wondered where the check was and I said I took care of it. She said, “Looks like I’ll get us started next time.” Her tone was fairly serious and I’ll venture a guess that the emphasis was on “next time.” I parked at the restaurant away from the direction of the playhouse specifically so that we would reach her car first on the way back. There was a slight period of silence on the walk back where we didn’t know what to say. Then, once we reached the area near her car, we started talking about the fun things that happened and how we should do it again. At her car, she turned to me and started saying goodbye. I reached for a full hug, with both arms up over her shoulders (she’s shorter than I am). She reciprocated by putting her arms around my waist and slamming her face into my chest. _Editor’s note: At no point in the night did she say anything like “You smell nice.” I realize now that this may have been because of her walls. However, this is also because I applied pheros to my forearms, so any leaning in she did would not result in a blast of scent, yet it was still present if I waved my arms. I think in future meetings, given that she’s about chest height when hugging, I can try applying on the chest or neck._ We said goodbye and that we’ll keep in touch. I watched her get in her car and then I got in mine. **Conclusion** First and foremost, if you’re not already reading or following Mustang’s journal, do so here: [P51Mustang's Journal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p51mustangs-journal/38913) He has been my guide with his words and his IBF mix. There’s the obvious conclusion: the night went well. I conquered my first date fears, I conquered my eye contact woes, I (would like to think I) recovered nicely from bad answers and missed hints. There’s also the obvious mix conclusion: it works, and it works well. Mustang has tested it thoroughly, Steve has tested it, and now I’m proud to say I’ve tested it and welcome it into my mix collection. This mix covers all the bases. It’s a bomb without being a bomb. I will agree with Mustang that it’s a slow burn mix. I got lucky with a 5-hour first date but I could see this as a good second or third date mix where the attraction is already there and you want to escalate with a deep connection during a longer date. I’m going to leave out my conclusion on QEG for now. I need more time to process everything. Look for that post in a few days. If you made it down here, thanks for reading. Let me know any thoughts you have. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 5:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/618 "2013-04-22T05:27:06Z")
_High Five_ I cannot tell you how good that feels to know not only did you conquer your first date jitters but you took charge and let it roll. I’ll be following this and hope things go well. Good stuff man. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/619 "2013-04-24T20:35:06Z")
Here’s my quick take on QEG: I’m not a big fan of her. Here’s my slightly longer take on QEG: I had a great date with her and if this were any other situation, I’d be ripping apart my schedule to make room for a second and third date, but I’m not. I used to look forward to her emails and texts; now I delay in reading them, even if I’m free at the time. Part of the reason I’m not a fan of her is because of her past. The other part of the reason is how that past affects her currently. And here’s the longest take: I’m not saying her past makes her a bad person. She seems like a great person now. I just unfortunately know about her past and don’t have the willpower to not let it affect me. There are two details I left out of my report. One is fact and the other is speculation. They weren’t important at the time but now they seem to be. Fact: as we passed the crowd in front of the smoke shop, I noticed one of the people there turned to her and started to wave. He then saw me (looking very clean cut and not like I would be hanging out in front of a smoke shop) and paused, and out of the corner of my eye I saw QEG sort of shake her head to him, as if to call off his wave. He put his hand down and turned back to the crowd. They knew each other. I don’t know if QEG smokes now but if she has friends who are willing to gather in front of a smoke shop to celebrate 4/20, I would not put it past her to still be connected to the drug scene. This makes me uncomfortable, and not a fan of her. Speculation: she is bisexual because at some point in her life, a guy (or many guys) mistreated her. Maybe it was abuse, maybe it was poor relationship skills, who knows. As I keep replaying the night in my head, I feel that her distrust of guys stems from far back and reaches beyond asking whether or not I would show up to the date. This makes me worry about putting my feelings on the line, and not a fan of her. On one hand, it’s good that I know about her past now rather than later, when we may have already gotten deeper into a relationship. On the other hand, it’s bad because I feel like I’m in a limbo between remaining friends with her and letting things go. For now, I’m going to take a backseat to all this. If she initiates something, I’ll respond, but I won’t make the first move. It sucks, knowing that we had a great date and I got over my first date jitters and all that, but deep down inside, I truly am not comfortable with her, or at least as comfortable as I should be for a second date. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 9:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/620 "2013-04-25T09:36:35Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > Here’s my quick take on QEG: I’m not a big fan of her. > > Here’s my slightly longer take on QEG: I had a great date with her and if this were any other situation, I’d be ripping apart my schedule to make room for a second and third date, but I’m not. I used to look forward to her emails and texts; now I delay in reading them, even if I’m free at the time. Part of the reason I’m not a fan of her is because of her past. The other part of the reason is how that past affects her currently. > > And here’s the longest take: I’m not saying her past makes her a bad person. She seems like a great person now. I just unfortunately know about her past and don’t have the willpower to not let it affect me. > > There are two details I left out of my report. One is fact and the other is speculation. They weren’t important at the time but now they seem to be. > > Fact: as we passed the crowd in front of the smoke shop, I noticed one of the people there turned to her and started to wave. He then saw me (looking very clean cut and not like I would be hanging out in front of a smoke shop) and paused, and out of the corner of my eye I saw QEG sort of shake her head to him, as if to call off his wave. He put his hand down and turned back to the crowd. > > They knew each other. I don’t know if QEG smokes now but if she has friends who are willing to gather in front of a smoke shop to celebrate 4/20, I would not put it past her to still be connected to the drug scene. This makes me uncomfortable, and not a fan of her. > > Speculation: she is bisexual because at some point in her life, a guy (or many guys) mistreated her. Maybe it was abuse, maybe it was poor relationship skills, who knows. As I keep replaying the night in my head, I feel that her distrust of guys stems from far back and reaches beyond asking whether or not I would show up to the date. This makes me worry about putting my feelings on the line, and not a fan of her. > > On one hand, it’s good that I know about her past now rather than later, when we may have already gotten deeper into a relationship. On the other hand, it’s bad because I feel like I’m in a limbo between remaining friends with her and letting things go. > > For now, I’m going to take a backseat to all this. If she initiates something, I’ll respond, but I won’t make the first move. > > It sucks, knowing that we had a great date and I got over my first date jitters and all that, but deep down inside, I truly am not comfortable with her, or at least as comfortable as I should be for a second date. Ok, Time to play big brother here and take a tough love approach on what you just said. First I completely understand where you’re coming from, it’s hard to keep things out of mind on someone who has had a less than perfect past. The thing abut it is, some of the best people I know had very rough beginnings and I know you’re a better person than to let something that happened in the past of someone get the best of you. I Ike the fact that you hold high standards, but hold those standards for the new person, the who they once were. S what her friend said hello, it doesn’t mean that she’s still connected to that scene in terms of smoking it just means that she’s ,are some friendships through those experiences and they have withstood her not parting in those activities anymore. Her friend and her had enough respect to not put you on the spot, and that should speak volumes on the quality of people they are. They were both MINDFUL of your feelings. When people speculate, they usually are wrong and makes you look like the idiot. Don’t be that guy, you had fun and she treated you well, don’t punish her for something she didn’t do. You two need to understand each other, both your concerns and where she wants this to go now. Don’t criminalize the drug scene, remember once that alcohol was illegal. Stop pre judging or you will live your life regretting what could have been. Be the alpha take action, go on another date. If you don’t like her then be up front. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524.md?page=30) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524.md?page=32)