# Pheromone highlights in bar/club settings

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263>\
**Category:** Men's Journals\
**Created:** [March 24, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263 "2010-03-24T14:33:47Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [April 8, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/21 "2010-04-08T23:55:55Z")

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Response to Reputation Decreasing Comment

I had my reputation slightly decreased again the other day with the following comment.

The reputation decrease was attached to this journal but I think the person was making a reference to the following posting:

> [@Spiking IJ with EOW](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spiking-ij-with-eow/37518/6):
>
> Most men on this forum seem to use small amounts of copulins for social proof. What I’m trying to accomplish is a little bit different. I want to use copulins as a screening tool as well. I want to repel the wholesome type of women who gets turned off by the player vibe. Because of that I want to go with a higher dose of copulins than most people in this forum. I’m leaning towards 1 drop of EOW in 10ml of IJ.

> [@](#):
>
> Just where do you get off claiming only WHOLESOME women are repelled by a Player-type, hunny? ANY of us who values WHO she IS as a woman, despises that. Seems all you want are gals for a quick lay, yet you claim to be Mr Niceguy. Doesnt jive

First of all I would like to state that I meant no offense to any woman or women in general. What I am specifically trying to accomplish is to find a vibe that attracts women who are looking for casual sex and that alerts women who are trying to avoid casual sex and are looking for a relationship to avoid me.

Without pheromones I tend to attract women who are looking for relationships and I’m passed over by women just looking to hookup. At least a few of my ex-girlfriends explained to me that women don’t see me as a type of guy why would engage in a random hookup. I’m trying to change the vibe that I give off the be in alignment with my desires. It just doesn’t make sense for woman seeking long term committed relationships to be attracted to me because I’m the wrong guy for that.

Yes, I am looking for a quick lay and I will not hide that from women. That is why I’m seeking women who are looking for a quick lay as well. When I have had a one night stand with a woman who was also looking for casual sex, it has been a very pleasant experience for both of us. Of course I feel that it’s important to treat all women with respect and whenever I do have a one night stand, I will always treat the woman I am with with respect. I have also found that my one night stands always treat me with respect as well and that’s helps the experience to be more pleasant.

Again, I mean no disrespect to any particular woman or women in general. I feel like we should live in a sexually free world without any judgement for our sexual choices and preferences.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/22 "2010-04-09T13:54:58Z")

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First night out with Copulin Spiked IJ

**Pheromones**  
1 Spray of EOW Spiked [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to Stomach  
1 Spray of P83 - 50 mcg to my tomach  
1 Spray of TAC 25 mcg to my back  
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists  
The Beat cover scent

**Summary**  
Overall Effectiveness: Good  
Dance Floor Effectiveness: Good  
Quality of bar Visited: Good  
Quantity of IOIs: Multiple  
Blatant Hits: 0  
Approached by Women: 0  
Successful cold approaches: 0  
Failed cold approaches: 0  
Makeouts: 0  
Hookups: 0

**Best Hit**  
A really hot and really young Asian girl in a bright sexy short red dress came into my proximity on the dance floor. She make contact with me a couple of times as she danced and I saw her sneek a peak at me but she looked shy. I touch her shoulder to get her attention and she immediately stops dancing and gives me her full attention. I compliment her on her dress and she immediately was into me. Her friend tried to pull her away but she said no to her friend and grabbed my arm to show her friend that she was into me. So I knew it was on. After that her friend smiled at me.

She started dirty dancing with me and she didn’t mind my lack or coordination. We eventually moved away from the friends to the bar area and our dancing became more and more sensual. We basically were making love with our clothes on and without kissing. She was an incredibly sensual woman the way she moved against me and I love sensual women.

Eventually I asked her what she was doing later and she said that she was going home. I asked her if she would like my company that evening and she flat out said no. After a few more minutes she said that she had to go back with her friends. I said that it was nice meeting her. She continues to look at me and asks if I want to get in touch with her again. I said sure and gave her my phone to enter her number.

**Random Notes**

- I could not tell if the Copulins made a difference in the pheromone combo or not. I will have to continue to experiment further. I also used a different buffer (TAC) so I changed 2 different variables in the equation. That’s not very scientific of course but I really wanted to try out the TAC.
- The girl in my best hit above definitely was very aroused and very comfortable in m presence. What I don’t know was if she declined my proposition because she is not a ONS type of girl or if she declined my proposition because she was there with 5 friends.
- The tractor beam effect on the dance floor was there but it was weaker than other nights.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/23 "2010-04-10T16:40:28Z")

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Out with a friend on Friday Night

**Pheromones**  
1 Spray of EOW Spiked [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to Stomach  
1 Spray of P83 - 50 mcg to my stomach  
1 Spray of 62.5 Meo-Est to my back  
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists  
The Beat cover scent

**Summary**  
Overall Effectiveness: Fair  
Dance Floor Effectiveness: Fair  
Quality of bars Visited: Good  
Quantity of IOIs: multiple hits early, none later in evening  
Blatant Hits: 0  
Approached by Women: 0  
Successful cold approaches: 0  
Failed cold approaches: 0  
Makeouts: 0  
Hookups: 0

**Best Hit**  
Nothing exciting or noteworthy happened.

**Random Notes**

- Early in the evening I got a string of hits. I got boobed a few times and women were purposely touching me when they walked by. Early on, it seemed like the mix was going to be awesome. But after a while, the hits just turned off like a faucet.
- The tractor beam effect on the dance floor was not in effect at all last night.
- The results may have been skewed because I was out with a friend last night. When I’m out with a friend my focus is more on making sure he is having a good time and less on meeting women. In the past I’ve gotten more hits when alone than when I’m out with a friend so this is not out of the ordinary. I really have to test this mix when I go out alone. I’m going out with a friend tonight as well so I’m going to have to wait until next week test pheromones while out alone again.

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**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/24 "2010-04-10T18:22:58Z")

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Subscribed  
Great work mT. Im also a low none producer so il be following this with some interest. Ignore the haters, keep it up.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/25 "2010-04-11T16:57:58Z")

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Saturday night with friend in large nightclub

**Pheromones**  
1 Spray of EOW Spiked [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to Stomach  
1 Spray of P83 - 50 mcg to my stomach  
1 Spray of IS to my back  
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists  
The Beat cover scent

**Summary**  
Overall Effectiveness: Fair  
Dance Floor Effectiveness: Fair  
Quality of bars Visited: Good  
Quantity of IOIs: Stead stream of IOIs throughout night.  
Blatant Hits: 0  
Approached by Women: 0  
Successful cold approaches: 0  
Failed cold approaches: 0  
Makeouts: 0  
Hookups: 0

**Best Hit**  
Nothing exciting or noteworthy happened.

**Random Notes**  
I went out with a friend last night and we had a good time but it’s not great for my style of pickup.  
Definitely got some IOIs from women but not a whole lot. I’ve had good success with the pheromone combo in the past without the EOW.  
So far it doesn’t seem like EOW is improving anything when I go out. But I need to test it for a few more weeks to be sure.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [April 16, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/26 "2010-04-16T19:42:40Z")

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Uneventful Thursday Night

**Pheromones**  
1 Spray of EOW Spiked [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to Stomach  
1 Spray of P83 - 50 mcg to my tomach  
1 Spray of TAC 25 mcg to my back  
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists  
body kouros cover scent

**Summary**  
Overall Effectiveness: Fair  
Dance Floor Effectiveness: N/A  
Quality of bars Visited: Poor - No dancing, more guys than girls  
Quantity of IOIs: Few  
Blatant Hits: 0  
Approached by Women: 1  
Successful cold approaches: 0  
Failed cold approaches: 5  
Makeouts: 0  
Hookups: 0

**Notes**

- I think the Instant Jerk worked better before I started spiking it with EOW. But I haven’t been very scientific about it so I really don’t know for sure. It could have been the TAC and MEO-EST that were throwing off the results. I’m thinking about breaking out my new bottle of unspiked Instant Jerk and using that for a while. Once I determine how the TAC or MEO-EST workes with the IJ then I might experiment with the EOW spiked IJ in the future.
- I made a few cold approaches and the women were all friendly and nice. But none of them were attracted to me and despite their niceness I could tell that I was unwanted. So I didn’t stick around very long. I think my longest conversation lated about 1 minute before I politely excused myself. Anyway, no blowouts so I wan’t giving off a bad vibe of any sort. I simply wasn’t their type.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/27 "2010-04-17T21:37:55Z")

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Switched Back to IJ without EOW

Pheromones  
1 Spray of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to Stomach  
1 Spray of P83 - 50 mcg to my stomach  
1 Spray of 62.5 Meo- Est to my back  
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists  
The Beat cover scent

Summary  
Overall Effectiveness: Excellent  
Dance Floor Effectiveness: Excellent  
Quality of bars Visited: Good  
Quantity of IOIs: Several  
Blatant Hits: 3  
Approached by Women: 0  
Successful cold approaches: 0  
Failed cold approaches: 0  
Makeouts: 0  
Hookups: 0

Notes

- I was definitely getting lots of attention from women last night. I am 75% sure that Instant Jerk without EOW generates more attraction than Instant Jerk spiked with EOW. But I have not done enough testing to be sure so I will break out my spiked IJ sometime in the future and try it out again.
- I was in Murray Hill area last night.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [April 19, 2010, 12:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/28 "2010-04-19T00:12:32Z")

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First try with 125 mcg of Meo-Est

**Pheromones**  
1 Spray of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to Stomach  
1 Spray of P83 - 50 mcg to my stomach  
2 Sprays of 62.5 Meo- Est to my back  
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists  
The Beat cover scent

**Summary**  
Overall Effectiveness: Good  
Dance Floor Effectiveness: Fair  
Quality of bars Visited: Fair  
Quantity of IOIs: few  
Blatant Hits: 0  
Approached by Women: 0  
Successful cold approaches: 2  
Failed cold approaches: 1  
Makeouts: 1  
Hookups: 0

**Notes**  
Didn’t get a lot of hits last night but my cold approaches went very well. Perhaps this is a good cold approach combo for me.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 10:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/29 "2010-04-24T22:55:07Z")

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**Pheromones**  
1 Spray of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to Stomach  
1 Spray of P83 - 50 mcg to my stomach  
1 Spray of 25 mcg of TAC to my back  
2 Sprays of TUTH to my sides  
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists  
The Beat cover scent

**Summary**  
Overall Effectiveness: Good  
Dance Floor Effectiveness: N/A  
Quality of bars Visited: Good  
Quantity of IOIs: few  
Blatant Hits: 1  
Approached by Women: 0  
Successful cold approaches: few  
Failed cold approaches: few  
Makeouts: 0  
Hookups: 0

**Notes**

- Last night I was working on my cold approaches because I’ve felt somewhat restricted lately. Some of the women I said hi to were initially interested in me and some weren’t as would be expected. The ratio of interested women to uninterested women was definitely better than my pre-pheromone days.
- The pheromone combination last night seemed to attract women mostly in their early to late 30s.
- One cold approach was interesting. There were three tall modelesque and very attractive women in their 30s standing in the middle talking. They looked very unapproachable but I walked up to them and just said hi. Two of them weren’t interested but the eyes of one of the women in the group just lit up after I said hi. I stalled out and the conversation didn’t last very long but when I said bye, the woman whose eyes lit up said, “You smell really good.”
- The best hit was when I was at the bar of an upscale lounge and 2 attractive women in their late 30s or early 40s came in and one of them pushed into me in a way that was an obvious IOI. I naturally said hi and she was massively attracted to me. She had her hands all over me and kept on telling me how cute I was and that she was really into me. Problem is that she was married for almost 20 years. Despite being massively attracted to me, she resisted kissing me although I could tell she wanted to really badly. I told her all the dirty things I would do to her if she was single and she totally ate it up. She invited me back home with her and her friend but her friend pulled her aside and told her no way. 🙂
- As I left one bar, there was a woman in her early 20s sitting on a guys lap outside. She yelled out to me, “I really like your sweater.” I stopped and looked at her. She said, “I really do!” I said thanks and continued on my way. I don’t know if this had anything to do with pheromones or if it was because I was dressed very nicely.

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**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/30 "2010-04-25T14:58:33Z")

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Your report sounds like a great night out MT!

Good hits!!! I always use IO or IH when I’m feeling non conversational. My conversational skills eventually all come down to creativity in the field. Plus the ability to have no shame of “being dumb”!! Good putatives that I have tried for overcoming this shortfall of words are 74, 78, 84, 85, and 83. 74 gives good confidence and energy, 78 a bit of wacky energy that makes smoother transitions and more ADD, 84 and 85 have a vocal propulsion that makes conversations go on longer and 83 lowers inhibitions to make me say what I’m thinking, but it usually gets dirty. [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and IH was probably why you got into a dirty conversation with that lovely wifey 🆒

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/31 "2010-04-26T01:17:45Z")

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> [@evolver](#):
>
> Your report sounds like a great night out MT!
> 
> Good hits!!! I always use IO or IH when I’m feeling non conversational. My conversational skills eventually all come down to creativity in the field. Plus the ability to have no shame of “being dumb”!! Good putatives that I have tried for overcoming this shortfall of words are 74, 78, 84, 85, and 83. 74 gives good confidence and energy, 78 a bit of wacky energy that makes smoother transitions and more ADD, 84 and 85 have a vocal propulsion that makes conversations go on longer and 83 lowers inhibitions to make me say what I’m thinking, but it usually gets dirty. P83 and IH was probably why you got into a dirty conversation with that lovely wifey 🆒

Maybe it was the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). At the moment I was talking to the married woman I was feeling no inhibitions at all and everything was flowing completely naturally.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/32 "2010-04-26T01:32:38Z")

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**Pheromones**  
1 Spray of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to Stomach  
1 Spray of Instant Jerk to the Sides  
1 Spray of IO To my throat  
2 Sprays of IO to my arms  
1 Spray of 25 mcg of TAC to my back  
2 Sprays of TUTH to my sides  
1 Spray of TUTH to my Chest  
No Cover Sent (I forgot to apply it)

**Summary**  
No blatant hits but spent most of evening with social group and in a conversation with a girl with no sexual chemistry. This combo was good for cold approaches in the sense that many of the girls I approached were friendly and interested in chatting for a little while. None of the women gave obvious signs of attraction.

**Details**  
Last night turned out to be a poor test for this phero-bomb because I went to an advertised event at a bar which I though was a promoter. But it turned out to be with a social group and I ended up spending most of the evening with the group. I definitely would not have worn tis pheromone combo if I knew I was going to hang out with a group but it seemed to go okay.

There was one point I was talking to a woman in the group and I started rambling on and she gave me a weird look. I realized that I was just babbling nonsense that made absolutely no sense. I caught myself and told her never mind. I wonder if that was an IO self effect. 🙂

When it was already pretty late I decided to go to another bar and I did two quick cold approaches. The first girl I spoke to was very friendly and conversational but she was really hot and I ended up saying something cheesy which ended the conversation quickly.

I immediately cold approached another girl and wasted most of the rest of the night chatting with her. She invited me to sit down and hang out with her male friend and I don’t know why I said yes. They were both friendly to me but it was a waste of my time.

Well after 2AM I went to one more large bar to do a few more cold approaches. Cold approaches usually don’t go well that late and a few of the girls I said hi to were not interested at all in me. One hot girl was surprisingly receptive but she had to go when her entire bachelorette party left the place.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [May 1, 2010, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/33 "2010-05-01T23:47:46Z")

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Strong Sexual combo unbuffered

**Pheromones**  
1 Spray of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/)  
3 Sprays of TUTH  
50 mcg of P83  
2 Drops of A314  
The beat cover scent

**Summary**

- With this combo if I just stood there, women would gravitate towards me and hover around me. A couple of times I tried to open them and scared them away.
- This combo was not great for cold approaching. Most of the women I could approached were not interested but I did find a couple of women who wanted to converse with me.
- No women were massively attracted to me.

**Analysis**

- I’m definitely understanding the purely sexual combos better. They are great for drawing women in towards you but not great for getting laid.
- Sometimes these super strong sexual combos can generate a really strong hit where a woman thinks you are the hottest thing that she has ever met but that effect is not consistent. I’m starting to lean in the direction of finding a combo that generates hits but also is good for cold approaching. So using a buffer might be the way to go.
- The buffers under consideration are IS, IH, MEO-EST, and TAC. I’ve had good results with each of these at least once but I’m not sure which one is superior but I will try to find out over the next few months.

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**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2010, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/34 "2010-05-02T00:00:09Z")

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> [@metalTree](#):
>
> I had my reputation slightly decreased again the other day with the following comment.
> 
> The reputation decrease was attached to this journal but I think the person was making a reference to the following posting:  
> [Spiking IJ with EOW](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/spiking-ij-with-eow/37518/6)
> 
> First of all I would like to state that I meant no offense to any woman or women in general. What I am specifically trying to accomplish is to find a vibe that attracts women who are looking for casual sex and that alerts women who are trying to avoid casual sex and are looking for a relationship to avoid me.
> 
> Without pheromones I tend to attract women who are looking for relationships and I’m passed over by women just looking to hookup. At least a few of my ex-girlfriends explained to me that women don’t see me as a type of guy why would engage in a random hookup. I’m trying to change the vibe that I give off the be in alignment with my desires. It just doesn’t make sense for woman seeking long term committed relationships to be attracted to me because I’m the wrong guy for that.
> 
> Yes, I am looking for a quick lay and I will not hide that from women. That is why I’m seeking women who are looking for a quick lay as well. When I have had a one night stand with a woman who was also looking for casual sex, it has been a very pleasant experience for both of us. Of course I feel that it’s important to treat all women with respect and whenever I do have a one night stand, I will always treat the woman I am with with respect. I have also found that my one night stands always treat me with respect as well and that’s helps the experience to be more pleasant.
> 
> Again, I mean no disrespect to any particular woman or women in general. I feel like we should live in a sexually free world without any judgement for our sexual choices and preferences.

I dont’t know who wrote that but It seems like an over reaction to me. Reps for saying how you feel no matter what others think.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2010, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/35 "2010-05-02T16:12:06Z")

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Using 125 mcg MEO-EST as a buffer

Pheromones  
1 Spray of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/)  
2 Sprays of TUTH  
50 mcg of P83  
125 mcg of MEO-EST  
2 Drops of A314  
The beat cover scent

**Summary**  
I did not feel hot or sexy at all with this combo. A couple of women I talked too were mildly attracted but I think the 125 mcg of MEO-EST weakened the sexual aspect of the mix too much.

**Interesting Hit**  
At the end of the night I was talking to a girl who was at this bar and she introduced me to two other friends (1 guy and 1 girl who were talking to each other the whole time). She was mildly attracted but and we chatted and flirted a little bit. After about 15 minutes I was getting tired and it didn’t feel like things were going anywhere so I said bye to the girl and left.

On the way out, I waved bye to the other girl in the group. She immediately came up to me, grabbed my hand, stared at me in the eyes and said, “You’re leaving?” and she looked disappointed. I got no IOIs from her at all before I left. I don’t know what to make of this.

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**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/36 "2010-05-02T20:36:49Z")

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Summary of Super Strong and other Noteworthy Hits to Date

**Super Strong Hits**  
2009-July  
1 Drop of A314  
1 Spray of Instant Jerk  
Girl stood next to me, taps me on the shoulder and says “Hi” and then shyly looked away like she was intimidated by me. I talked to her and got massive DIHL. She acted like I was a superstar out of her league for a while.

2009-July  
1 Spray Instant Jerk  
2 Drops of A314  
Super hot girl gives me IOIs and I talk to her. For several minutes we are talking and she has her hands all over me with massive DIHL. Then she says something to me and runs away never to be seen again.

2009-July  
1 Spray of Instant Jerk  
1 Spray of Turn Up The Heat  
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists  
Married women throws herself at me and keeps on telling me how hot I am. Massive DIHL and she has her hands all over me. We make out and she tells me that if she got divorced she would definitely date me.

2009-July  
1 spray of 1:4 NPA/Cologne  
1 Drop of A314  
8 Sprays of 80% Strength TUTH - (Same as 6.4 Sprays of TUTH)  
Massive hit from girl I cold approached. She started talking non stop and was massively attracted to me. I propositioned her and she declined but we ended up making out. She texted me later because she wanted to hook up but I was already in bed. We ended hooking up a month later when she booty called me.

2009-September  
2 Sprays NPA/ IJ/Cologne mix  
3 Drops of A314 (LS Version)  
Woman massively attracted to me, told her I was into casual sex, ended up hooking up withing a few hours.

2010 - February  
2 Sprays of The Edge  
25 mcg P83  
4 Sprays of Instant Honesty  
2 Sprays of Turn Up The Heat  
1 Drop of A314  
No hits early in the night but attracted a married woman later in the night who was very aroused by the mix. She said, “If I wasn’t married, you would definitely get some great ass tonight” as she was giving me DIHL and clenching my arm. Her friends took her away from me after that.

2010 - February  
1 Spray Instant Jerk  
1 Spray of The Edge  
2 Drops of A314  
3 Sprays of TUTH  
Woman approaches me and she is definitely attracted but no DIHL initially. She was massively attracted to me but not showing it. Once we started making out the floodgates opened and she made out with me like there was no tomorrow.

2010-March  
1 Spray IJ  
1 Spray of The Edge  
50mcg P83  
2 Sprays of TUTH  
1 Spray of IH  
2 drops of A314  
On the dance floor, drunk girl sticks her arm between her body and my body. Then after I hold her hand she sticks my hand in the air and sensually grinds with me. A little later she is dancing with a guy in her group, breaks away from him and lunges at me like she couldn’t resist me.

2010-April  
1 Spray of Instant Jerk  
50 mcg P83 -  
1 Spray of IS  
2 Drops of A314  
Jersey girl massively attracted to me, DIHL. She agreed to go home with me but changed her mind when I told her that I don’t do relationships.

2010 - April  
1 Spray of EOW Spiked Instant Jerk  
50 mcg P83  
25 mcg TAC  
2 Drops of A314  
I met a hot girl in a sexy red dress. She had her hands all over me and we were dirty dancing but it was more like foreplay than dancing.

2010 - April  
1 Spray of Instant Jerk  
50 mcg P83 to my stomach  
25 mcg TAC  
2 Sprays of TUTH  
2 Drops of A314 to my wrists  
Hot married women in late 30s/early 40s was flirting with me and got massive DIHL. She had her hands all over me and kept on telling me how into me she was. But she resisted kissing me although I could tell she wanted to.

2010 - July  
4 Sprays of Instant Jerk  
(Neck, Stomach, Back, and forearms)  
Ton of IOIs. 4 sprays of IJ turned me into a very sexy guy this night.  
Girl entranced with me, bites my lip as we kiss, had her hands all over me but her friends pulled her away.  
Another girl touched both my shoulders and pushed her breast into me as her boyfriend was grinding her.

2010 - November  
1 Spray IJ to throat  
1 Spray of TUTH2X to the stomach  
1 Drop of A314 to the wrists  
No cover  
Maybe best night ever with pheromones. Met 2 women in the same night who were totally into me and I’ve seen both women repeatedly since that night. Also the friend the woman was with approved of me in both cases.

2011 - January  
1 Spray of TUTH to the throat  
1 Spray of IJ to the Chest  
2 Drops of A314 to the wrists  
The Beat Cover  
Good night, no rejection. At first venue did one successful cold approach on a mixed group and talked to 1 woman for a while who liked me. At second bar a woman approached me, thought I was hot, and ended up taking me home.

2011 - May  
1 Spray NPA 24:7 to Throat  
1 Spray TUTH to Throat  
1 Spray TUTH to Stomach  
2 Drops of A314 to Wrists  
The Beat Cover  
As I was ordering at bar, girl stands right next to me and starts dancing and rubbing her body against mine. I put my arm around her and started moving my body with hers. Within a couple of minutes she grabs me and starts to make out with me. Cool approaches were okay but not great.

2011 - May  
1 Spray NPA 24:7 to Throat  
1 Spray TUTH to Throat  
1 Spray TUTH to Stomach  
2 Drops of A314 to Wrists  
The Beat Cover  
Most cold approaches went very poorly but one girl I walked by was immediately attracted after I said hi. Making out in under 2 minutes. Another girl looked at me, shoved her ass into me, and went home with me.

2011 - May  
1 Spray NPA 24:7 to Throat  
1 Spray TUTH to Throat  
1 Spray TUTH to Stomach  
1 Spras of IS 4X to the back  
2 Drops of A314 to Wrists  
The Beat Cover  
Cold Approaches went very poorly - got shot down several times but one approach went very well. Made out with hottest woman in my life.

2011 - June  
1 Spray NPA 24:7 to Throat  
1 Spray TUTH to Throat  
1 Spray P79 20mcg to chest  
1 Spray TUTH to Stomach  
1 Spras of IS 4X to the back  
2 Drops of A314 to Wrists  
The Beat Cover  
Blatently attracted women and repelled them too. Last approach of the night wanted me badly. She says to her friends that she is going to take me home and she followed through.

2011-August  
2 Sprays 24:7 NPA  
2 Sprays TUTH  
2 Drops of A314  
1 Spray of P79 10 mcg  
The Beat Cover  
Had a cold approach early in the night that led to a great conversation and we made out all night.

**other noteworthy hits**  
2009-June  
1 Spray Instant Jerk  
2 Sprays [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)  
2 Drops of A314  
Cold approached two women and I got DIHL from two women at the same time. Strong kino and interest from both women. Not a super strong hit but first time I had two women in the same group attracted to me at the same time.

2009-June  
1 Spray of Instant Jerk  
1 Spray of TUTH  
1 drop of A314  
My first experience with the power of an unbuffered sexual mix with A314. One women blatantly rubbed her breasts across my back and touched me with her hand as she walked by and I was approached by another girl. Women kept on hovering around me like I was a hot guy. This is the first time I ever got to experience that feeling.

2009-July  
2 Sprays of Turn Up The Heat  
1 drop of A314  
Girl approaches me as I’m standing at a small table by myself. We end up kissing but I don’t close.

2009-July  
1 Spray Instant Jerk  
1 Spray Instant Openess  
2 Drops of A314 to my Wrists  
1 Spray Instant Honesty  
Multiple women in a group were attracted to me but none of these women acted like I was really hot like when I wear an unbuffered combo. One girl kept looking back at me over and over again but I didn’t approach. This hit is noteworthy because it’s a reminder that mixes with IO and IH can produce hits but the hits are not as powerful as with unbuffered combos.

2009-November  
Home made mix containing (NPA, P83, TUTH, IH, IO)  
Girl approaches me. No DIHL but we were in her apartment hooking up within 45 minutes after her approach. I think she was looking to hook up that night and I was at the right place at the right time.

2010-February  
2 Sprays of the Edge  
1 25 mcg of P83 to the chest  
2 Sprays of IH  
2 Sprays of TUTH  
1 Drop of A314  
This mix was a compliment generator. I got very nice compliments from random women at two different bars out of the blue.

2010-March  
1 Spray of Instant Jerk  
50 mcg P83  
1 Spray of IS  
2 Drops of A314  
Approached by a girl and she cast me off to her friend who I ended up making out with. Then she took me away from her friend and bit me in the neck.

2010-March  
1 Spray of Instant Jerk  
50mcg P83  
1 Spray of Instant Honesty  
2 Drops of A314  
Girl was hovering around me and I opened her. She had her hands all over me and was massively attracted to me for a little while but she seemed to get bored of me after a little while.

2010 - May  
1 Spray Instant Jerk  
1 Spray of TUTH  
1 Drop of A314  
1 Spray of IS  
For some unknown reason, this mix performed very well as a social mix. My conversations with women were effortless this night and I had a great time hanging out with one woman for a few hours.

2010 - May  
4 Sprays of NPA 1:4 Ratio  
Approached by three women in the same night and solid IOIs and cold approaches went well.

2010 - May  
2 Sprays of NPA 1:4 Ratio  
2 Sprays of IS  
2 Drops of A314  
25 mcg P83  
Slow Thursday Night - girl strikes up conversation with me while sitting at bar and I give her short, curt answers. She re-engages me in conversation a few times and finally says, “I’m throwing myself at you. Why don’t you like me?” It really didn’t seem like she was throwing herself at me so I don’t know what was going on there???

2010-May  
2 Sprays of 1:4 NPA Neroli mix and  
25 mcg of P83  
Got approached 4 times on Saturday in East Village and 1 time on Sunday at a Memorial day party at a nightclub. This mix gets woman’s attention and generates IOIs but no really intense hits at all. Good mix for cold approaches too.

2010-June  
**(Excellent Mix)**  
2 Sprays of 1:4 NPA Neroli mix and  
25 mcg of P83  
2 Drops of A314  
1 Spray of IS-4X  
Didn’t get approached at all but strong IOIs from women. Strongly attracted one woman Under 21, one woman in her mid 20s, and one woman in her early 40s. At one point was talking to short asian girl who was standing there facing me with her full attention and couldn’t take her eyes off me. I asked her why she didn’t have a wristband and she told me because she was under 21. All of a sudden I felt self-conscious and felt like I was too old for her. I basically told her that I was too old for her and ejected.

2010 - October  
1 Spray EOW Spiked IJ  
1 Spray of TUTH (double strength)  
1 Spray of NPA 1:4  
1 Spray of P83 (25 mcg)  
1 Spray of P79 (12.5 mcg)  
1 Spray of IO  
Covered with Chrome  
Met two women in their mid to late 30s. Hung out with them at three different bars for over three hours. They never were bored of me and both of them seemed eager to talk to me.

2010 - November  
4 Sprays of Instant Jerk  
1 girl walking by just stopped and looked right at me so I started chatting with here. One totally hot blonde that I cold approached gave me intense eye contact but I couldn’t capitalize because I was not congruent with my vibe.

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**Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/37 "2010-05-05T13:37:35Z")

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Fun night at local bars with lots of Androstenol

**Pheromones**  
1 Spray of TE  
1 Drop of A314  
5 Sprays of IO  
1 Spray of IH2X  
1 Spray of IS

**Summary**  
Very long and effortless conversation with a very cute local girl at local bar.

**Details**  
The first bar I go to is pretty empty but I sit down and order a drink. I make a comment to the male bartender and we end up chatting for a while. I’m usually not the chatting type so I think the Androstenol was affecting me too. It was an easy and effortless conversation. A cute girl who was sitting at a table came up to pay. I had a short conversation with her too and from her body language I could tell that we would have hand a nice conversation if she wasn’t on her way out.

I go to the second bar and it’s pretty crowded for a Tuesday night. All the seats at the bar are taken except for 1 empty seat at left the end of the bar. There is a very cute girl next to this seat and she is in a deep conversation with the guy to her right. The problem is that there is a drink at the spot where the empty seat is so I think someone is sitting there.

I ask the guy if anyone is sitting in the empty seat. The guy looks at me blankly but the girl tells me the seat is open and the person who was sitting there is not coming. She even clears away all the stuff in front of the seat and gives me very friendly eye contact. I sit down and she resumes talking to the other guy.

Eventually he gets up to go to the bathroom and she is just sitting there not talking. I just ask her what’s she’s drinking and the floodgates open. She starts talking non stop and is incredibly friendly. The conversation is effortless because all I have to do is throw out a question or a comment here or there and that kept the conversation flowing nicely. The guy comes back so I expected her to continue talking to him but for the rest of the night she kept on giving me more attention than that guy. I talked to both of them throughout the night and had a really fun time.

**Analysis**  
Although this girl was very friendly the entire night and did touch me in the course of the conversation, I didn’t sense any sexual chemistry or attraction. It was just a fun social night. I don’t think I would ever get laid with this pheromone combination but it’s a great combination for having a social night out.

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**Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/38 "2010-05-06T13:14:43Z")

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Ineffective Mix with lots of Androstenol

**Pheromones**  
1 Spray of IJ  
2 Sprays of TUTH  
3 Drops of A314  
3 Sprays of IO  
1 Spray of IH2X

**Summary**  
I don’t remember noticing any IOIs at all last night. Most cold approaches didn’t go well. Had short conversations with a few women but none of the conversations lasted that long. Part of the problem was that it was too loud to have a decent conversation.

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**Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/39 "2010-05-06T17:38:52Z")

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New thoughts on Androstenol

It has become clear to me that Androstenol is great in environments that are social, not overly crowded, and quiet enough for a decent conversation.

But in loud meat market environments where it’s too loud to have a normal conversation and the girls are being hit on all the time, Androstenol is useless. Not only is it useless but it lowers your value and reduces the attention you get from women. Basically Androstenol sucks in loud crowded environments.

In summary for bars/clubs:  
Loud, Meat Market Vibe: Androstenol Sucks  
Quiet, Social Vibe: Androstenol Excellent  
Quiet, Meat Market Vibe: ???  
Loud, Social Vibe: ???

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**Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 6:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/40 "2010-05-07T06:27:53Z")

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Ok Social combo in Meatmarket environment

Tonight I went to a rooftop lounge that I thought was going to have a social vibe but it ended up having a meat market vibe with loud music. But I wore IO thinking the place would have a social vibe.

Pheromones  
1 spray IJ  
1 spray TUTH  
1 Drop A314  
1 Spray IS  
2 Sprays IO

I got some IOIs and had some short conversations with women but nothing took off. The mix wasn’t great but wasn’t bad either. I think this mix would have been more suited for a social environment. This mix was definitely better than wearing no pheromones at all but no DIHL or blatant hits.

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