# Pheromone highlights in bar/club settings **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [March 24, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263 "2010-03-24T14:33:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/101 "2010-11-09T02:37:42Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Whenever a girl tells me what they are doing especially if I don’t ask I assume they are telling me they want to be with me. This is good to know. My confidence must not be where it should be yet. I really thought I was being rejected at the time. But now I don’t think so anymore because she was making such strong eye contact when she told me that. I really should have tried to close her and see what happened. ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/102 "2010-11-09T03:28:02Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Just to add to that, if you’re saying cocky/funny as in: “you must think I’m just a piece of meat for your pleasure. Most girls at least buy me a drink before they try to take me home,” Than hell yeah that would rock her world and show her everything she needs to bed you. HAHA. Exactly what I was talking about! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/103 "2010-11-10T01:49:44Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > This is good to know. > > My confidence must not be where it should be yet. I really thought I was being rejected at the time. But now I don’t think so anymore because she was making such strong eye contact when she told me that. I really should have tried to close her and see what happened. Nah don’t sweat it dude. You actually made the right choice. Turns out she was really a guy and wanted some man love from yah 😃 ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 2:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/104 "2010-11-10T02:38:38Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Nah don’t sweat it dude. You actually made the right choice. Turns out she was really a guy and wanted some man love from yah 😃 Now that’s a scary thought. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/105 "2010-11-18T20:20:42Z")
Great First Dates I didn’t wear any pheromones last weekend and I didn’t have a chance to do my thing at the bars. But I had two first dates this week and I wore the following pheromones on both dates: 1 spray [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to my stomach 1 spray TUTH2X to my throat 1 Drop A314 to my wrists Both dates went absolutely great. Both women were very attracted to me and had a great time with me. I usually suck at first dates so it’s rare to have 2 great ones in a row. I’m not sure how much of this was attributed to the pheromones and how much of this can be attributed to my improved skills with women. I do feel like I broke through into a new level with my skills. Or maybe I really haven’t and it’s just the pheromones that made me think I did. Who knows? ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/106 "2010-11-19T05:05:48Z")
Shortest night ever - Woman got angry at me for no reason Despite being incredibly tired from a lack of sleep I went out to an area where I have been having trouble gaining access to bars on the weekend. I just wanted to try out the area on a Thursday night to see if I had better luck. 1 spray [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to my stomach 1 spray TUTH2X to my throat 1 Drop A314 to my wrists **Bar #1** I was denied entry to this bar the last time I went on a weekend but I walked right in tonight. Unfortunately it was a Sausage fest. There were over 20 guys and 1 woman. I just had a beer and left. **Bar #2** I was denied entry at this bar the last few times I went and I didn’t have better luck today. The doorman told me there was a private party. The last time I got in at this place there where a ton of hot women. Oh well. **Bar #3** This bar always lets everyone in so I had no trouble getting in. There were several good looking woman in the place. I get a beer at the bar and this woman starts hitting on me. She had a nice body but she wasn’t my type and there was something off about her so I wasn’t interested. I don’t like rejecting people so I was just polite and made myself stiff and I didn’t attempt to escalate at all. So, this girl continues to hit on me and push her body into mine. I just politely talk to her like nothing was happening. Then she get pissed at me and accuses me of fucking with her. At another point in the conversation she misunderstood something I said and took it as an insult and she looked like she was going to cry. Then she was better but I still wasn’t reciprocating. She accused me of being a geek and I told her that I was. She then accused me of fucking with her again and asked if I had a girlfriend. I lied and said that I did. Then her mood improved and she told me about another guys girlfriend who got angry at her. I told her that some women get jealous and she got really pissed at me again. At this point I bailed and decided to go home. There were definitely approachable women in this bar but I was in a sour mood from the woman I was interacting with. I was feeling exhausted anyway so I just went home. I was at the bars for under and hour tonight. I wonder if the pheromones had something to do with this woman getting angry or if it was just her natural personality. ??? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/107 "2010-11-19T19:29:54Z")
LOL, nice problem to have though ---
**Author:** ![gwil31468](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@gwil31468](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gwil31468)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/108 "2010-11-20T02:40:32Z")
My first post other than my intro. This entire thread has been a fantastic read. Hope you don’t mind if I comment. You’re definitely ejecting too soon. The shit tests just reasssure her you’re the guy your 'mones are broadcasting. Go with the flow and try to turn her own shit tests around onto her. My favorite shit test is when she says “I could fuck right here right now”. She’s calling you out do you have the cojhones to back it up. At that point, dude, I’m grabbing my belt to unbuckle it. I was stopped everytime but I did get a blowjob in a parking lot once but every one had a happy ending. just my 2 cents but as long as her interest has been piqued there’s food on the table and ya know what mom said about food on the table. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2010, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/109 "2010-11-20T19:24:49Z")
Added IG - Women overly polite when rejecting me I decided to add [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) to the highly sexual pheromone combination I’ve been using. I think the IG added comfort to my vibe. That’s not what I’m trying to accomplish with pheromones. No blatant hits at all despite being at bars with plenty of women. 1 spray Instant Jerk to my stomach 1 spray TUTH2X to my throat 1 Drop A314 to my wrists 1 Spray Instant Gentleman to my Chest I did around 10 cold approaches. The woman were all friendly to me although I saw no signs of attraction. I just got impression that they all thought I was a good guy that they should be nice to. Even when they clearly rejected me, the were super polite to me. One of the women gave me a hug after she clearly rejected me after just 1 minute of conversation. Other women who clearly rejected me had very friendly faces with solid friendly eye contact. This was all very odd because there are sometimes really hard rejections with this combination without the Instant Gentleman. Two of the bars I went to had a ton of women. I’ve gotten blatent hits in both of these bars in the past with highly sexual mixes. There were a lot of possible subtle IOIs but nothing blatant last night. The IG clearly modified the vibe I was giving off with IJ, TUTH, and A314. The vibe was modified in a direction that I did not want it to go. I will not be using Instant Gentleman again with IJ, TUTH, and A314. I want some women to think I’m hot and I don’t care if the tradeoff is hard rejections from other women. No women at all acted like I was hot last night. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Deja\_Vu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deja_vu/32/256_2.png) [@Deja\_Vu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Deja_Vu)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/110 "2010-11-20T20:31:49Z")
Interesting report about IG! Might be because women are out looking for FUN and IG might kinda give out a boyfriend-ish vibe instead? Looking forward to your reports! ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 8:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/111 "2010-11-21T08:57:18Z")
Added P79 - Rough Night - bad vibe I added P79 to by base of IJ, TUTH2X, and A314. 1 spray [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to my stomach 1 spray TUTH2X to my throat 1 Drop A314 to my wrists 1 Spray of P79 to my chest (12.5 mcg) Cold approaches were very rough tonight. Some opened and some just outright rejected me. The women that did open and showed some initial interest quickly got uncomfortable and disengaged. My vibe was most definitely making women uncomfortable tonight. I think my vibe may have been borderline creepy unfortunately. I was approached by 2 girls while waiting in line for the bathroom. I was facing away from them towards the bathroom but they made an effort to get my attention. They both were friendly and seemed interested. But they were in line after me and I didn’t want to appear like I was stalking them outside the bathroom. I knew that I was having issues with my vibe. They never found me again so that was it. I ended up in a conversation with a 20 year old girl I wasn’t interested in after I approached her friend, stalled out, and prematurely ejected. She seemed to like me but I didn’t attempt to escalate because she was not my type. No blatant hits at all tonight. Overall a bad night out. The bars I went to weren’t as good as last night but I don’t think that was the issue. My vibe was just not good. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 5:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/112 "2010-11-23T05:51:42Z")
Another Try at Local Bars on a Monday Night 1 spray Instant Jerk to my throat 1 Drop A314 to my wrists 1 Spray of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to my throat **Bar #1** Mostly guys so no good approach opportunities. There was at table with three women that I found attractive but I’m not comfortable walking up to women sitting at a table. I figure if they wanted to be approached, they would be at the bar. **Bar #2** Ordered a beer and then cold approached two women having a conversation. They were polite and kind of engaged me in conversation but I could not tell if they wanted me to stay or if they wanted me to go. The IO was making me chat more than usual and I was talking complete nonsense. I just ejected because they women just didn’t seem interested enough although they never overtly rejected me. I just thought they really didn’t want me there but were being polite. **Bar #3** I was the only customer in the bar and there was a new cute bartender who I chatted with a few minuets. She eventually broke off the conversation and was doing silly stuff like rearranging the bottles. I think my presence was making her uncomfortable. I could not tell if she was uncomfortable because she was attracted to me or uncomfortable because my strong None vibe was creeping her out. My guess is that she was creeped out because another guy eventually came in who was better looking than me and smoother. She seemed totally into that guy and pretty much ignored me after he came in. Oh well. ☹ **Bar #4** Empty wine bar with male bartender. I just read my iPhone, sipped my wine, and thats it. I am drunk now. Time for bed. Monday nights are not good for cold approaching in bars. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/113 "2010-11-24T00:55:14Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > I added P79 to by base of IJ, TUTH2X, and A314. > > 1 spray Instant Jerk to my stomach > 1 spray TUTH2X to my throat > 1 Drop A314 to my wrists > 1 Spray of P79 to my chest (12.5 mcg) > > Cold approaches were very rough tonight. Some opened and some just outright rejected me. > > The women that did open and showed some initial interest quickly got uncomfortable and disengaged. > > My vibe was most definitely making women uncomfortable tonight. I think my vibe may have been borderline creepy unfortunately. > > I was approached by 2 girls while waiting in line for the bathroom. I was facing away from them towards the bathroom but they made an effort to get my attention. They both were friendly and seemed interested. But they were in line after me and I didn’t want to appear like I was stalking them outside the bathroom. I knew that I was having issues with my vibe. They never found me again so that was it. > > I ended up in a conversation with a 20 year old girl I wasn’t interested in after I approached her friend, stalled out, and prematurely ejected. She seemed to like me but I didn’t attempt to escalate because she was not my type. > > No blatant hits at all tonight. Overall a bad night out. > > The bars I went to weren’t as good as last night but I don’t think that was the issue. My vibe was just not good. That’s a lot of NONE you had on. I’m not sure about this but I suspect Ijerk to have about 10 mcg None per spray. Why not just use 2 sprays of it rather than the TUTH. Seems like its the same thing, just different products. Then to boot you were wearing P79 which amplifies anything and that includes pheromones and peoples moods. Essentially you were therefore wearing 40 mcg of None because of the p79. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/114 "2010-11-24T03:15:14Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Why not just use 2 sprays of it rather than the TUTH. Seems like its the same thing, just different products. I remember trying 2 sprays of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) last year and I just didn’t have a good night. I’ve had some really good nights combining 1 spray of Instant Jerk with TUTH both this year and last. I don’t know why but it just seems to work better for me. > [@Steve](#): > > Then to boot you were wearing P79 which amplifies anything and that includes pheromones and peoples moods. Essentially you were therefore wearing 40 mcg of None because of the p79. Yeah, most definitely way too much. It was definitely interesting to observe the women’s reactions though. I’ll probably wear this combination again, just not on a night when I want to successfully attract a woman. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/115 "2010-11-26T16:10:50Z")
Thanksgiving Eve make out that went no where 1 spray [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to my throat 1 spray of P83 to my stomach 1 Drop A314 to my wrists **First & best approach** I get to the club early and it’s pretty empty. I go to the top level and order a drink. I see three woman across the room. I stand there for about a minute and approach the three woman. As I’m walking towards the women, two of them walk away before I get there and one remains. The one that was still there was my third choice but I still was somewhat attracted to her so I opened her. She was very receptive and we ended up hanging out for the next hour and a half. I was getting good IOIs from her so I escalated eventually and we made out. I made my intentions clear that I intended to hook up that night. She made her intentions clear that she will hot hook up with a man before two good meals. She told me that she was fantastic in bed and gave great blow jobs so it would be worth the wait and the effort. I told her that I’m just not the type of guy who will make an effort for women. We still hung out and made out for a while after our incompatible intentions were revealed. I was hoping that she would change her mind and go home with me. She was hoping that I would change my mind and ask for her phone number. Neither of us budged so I eventually brought her back to her friends and left her with her friends. **State of the club** By the time my first interaction was over, the club was past it’s peak. It was packed and 80% guys. **Other cold approaches** I did a bunch of approaches. Some of the women ignored me and a few of the women opened but the conversation stalled out quickly and I prematurely ejected. Some women gave me WTF looks and walked away. Considering the environment I think the cold approaches went pretty well overall although I didn’t get anywhere with anyone. I think my vibe was pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2010, 7:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/116 "2010-11-27T07:59:17Z")
Uneventful Night - Not chill - Friday after Thanksgiving 1 spray [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to my stomach 1 Spray of Tuth2x to my throat 1 spray of P83 (25 mcg) to my chest 1 Drop A314 to my wrists Not approached by any women. No make outs. No noticeable hits. Nothing. I did a lot of approaches and none of them stuck. The women generally were comfortable with me tonight but not attracted to me. I had the feeling there was something slightly wrong with my vibe tonight. I was not coming across creepy or anything bad like that. I just had a slight background anxiety that was preventing me from being perceived as hot/sexy by women. I felt like any sexual attraction that the women would have felt from the IJ/TUTH/P83 was being negated by this slight background anxiety. I It is very interesting how such minor sensations that we feel as men can have such a drastic affect on our attractiveness levels to women. Overall I just felt like a plain boring/non-sexy man that had nothing to offer to the women tonight. And that’s exactly how they reacted to me. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 2:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/117 "2010-12-19T14:07:13Z")
2 Sprays of IJ Unbuffered 2 Sprays of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) Covered with The Beat I decided to try 2 sprays of IJ unbuffered. Overall, good for getting women into conversations but bad for escalating. Not good for generating IOIs. Highlights 1. Higher percentage of sets opened than would have opened without pheromones but did not perform as well as other pheromone combinations for opening. 2. Got into more actual conversations than usual but women. 2 Sprays of IJ seems good for getting into conversations. 3. In the conversations that I didn’t escalate the women took much longer than usual to become bored of me. 4. In the conversations that I did escalate the women flat out rejected the escalations. Some of the women continued talking to me after the escalation attempts and some disengaged. 5. Only one woman the entire night showed clear signs of being attracted to me but she was also clearly not comfortable around me so I could not escalate. She was definitely intimidated. 6. Not a lot of IOIs generated. Overall, 2 sprays of IJ is not even close to being a top performer for me but it has potential as a base. I know that 2 sprays of IJ does not work well for me with A314. But 2 sprays of IJ might work work well with IG, IO, or IH. I will have to try that someday. ---
**Author:** ![bestintel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bestintel/32/1883_2.png) [@bestintel](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bestintel)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/118 "2010-12-20T03:16:43Z")
I have been reading your journal I was thinking to myself is that you’re putting out two different vibes here. I honestly think you are confusing the women that you are trying to attract. I think that A314 and IJ are different vibes but that is just me. I honestly think you would have better results if you used either A314 of IJ but not together. I think more of a club scene is more IJ territory but a lot of guys that go to bars are **Jerks** themselves. If you put out the A314 vibe it would make you different and from what I have noticed women like different. I would suggest putting some under your nose that really seems to add confidence for me and helps me not prematurely eject out of conversations. I think this could defiantly open you up to some high quality women and I think if you add in some [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) it could help the escalation you are looking for. Then when you are ready to do the dirty throw on some TUTH before the act. This is just a suggestion I know this is not you first rodeo. I’m just trying to help you out. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2010, 4:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/119 "2010-12-22T04:10:09Z")
Exactly what I was thinking smellymen2002! Try A314-A and Ammo with a couple of IS added on to that and see what happens? Or may be Ammo with IO. Adding IS to that won’t hurt either. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263/120 "2011-01-23T15:37:06Z")
Sweet Spot is still Pretty Much the Same I have not been going out regularly but I’ve still been trying different combinations of pheromones. I currently think the following is my sweet spot with the most consistent all around results. 1 Spray of TUTH 1 Spray of IJ 1-2 Drops of A314 When I add P83 to this mix it loses it’s consistency. The jury is still out whether or not it improves the mix in any way. When I add P79 to the above mis it loses it seems to lose it’s potency. I can’t figure out why. Maybe it takes the mix past the sweet spot and makes it too strong. I’ve also tried 2 sprays of 1:4 NPA and although it seems like a decent mix for me, it is nowhere as effective as my above mentioned sweet spot. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263.md?page=5) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-highlights-in-bar-club-settings/37263.md?page=7)