# Pheromone Newbie Advice - Was it good advice? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 24, 2006, 12:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448 "2006-06-24T12:29:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2006, 7:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/21 "2006-06-28T07:13:45Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > you all work for the government, i know it. > and i KNOW you aint dissin dracula… > seriously,though, we no longer wear black capes… its patent leather. > and im keeping the button. > catlord17, your getting bit 😮 Bring it on! But I have to warn you, Lor… I bite back… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2006, 7:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/22 "2006-06-28T07:16:38Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > Ohhh catlord17, you lucky dog… er cat… you… Aw yeah. Just watch what happens when she tries to bite me lol ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2006, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/23 "2006-06-28T07:36:48Z")
> [@Rob](#): > > Catlord, what brought you to pick that name? Also what is your Camera setup? I’m not a photographer but I got a semi-decent camera The majority of the reason I have this nick is my strong affinity for cats, and how the majority of them treat me, as opposed to other people. I have had some amusing situations pop up, such as the time I was visiting one of my ex girlfriends’ friends with her and while she was chatting, I casually walked over and started petting and scritching the large black tomcat on the counter, who immediately began contentedly purring very loudly. When I realized all eyes were on me and everyone was silent, I asked what was the matter. The friend said, “That cat’s name is Satan, because nobody can touch him without getting clawed and bitten. Not even us! He’s never let anyone pet him before, and we’ve had him ten years!” I get this sort of response a lot. So, one of my buddies from the old days started calling me Rex Felis, which is Latin for King Cat, and later Catlord. It stuck. My camera system is Canon, and I have both an Elan 7E-QD for film and a 10D for digital, with a 420 EX autoflash, a 100 mm 2.8 prime macro lens, and a 28-135 3.5-5.6 lens. I have a couple other lenses as well, but they never get used because they’re not capable of producing high enough quality images for my perfectionism. I also have a fairly nice carbon fiber tripod that I forget the brand name of, a very expensive Canon cable release, infrared filters, and a very big printer. 😃 By the way, I use GIMP for image manipulation, and Photoshop Elements ONLY for printing the finished images out, since Windows doesn’t have a good enough printing interface through GIMP for my particular needs. If you want a really cool graphics program to explore, try GIMP. There’s a version for Windows and Linux, and it’s free. ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2006, 6:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/24 "2006-06-28T18:52:23Z")
Thats cool. I was just searching around for a decent carbon fibre tripod and OMG they are so expensive. I know one brand name is Manfrotto and a couple others like Slik that I hear thrown around. Anyway, aside from your work with photography and being all professional, do you ever find yourself doing nude shots with your girlfriends just for the pleasure of it all? ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/25 "2006-06-29T00:55:50Z")
> [@Rob](#): > > Thats cool. I was just searching around for a decent carbon fibre tripod and OMG they are so expensive. I know one brand name is Manfrotto and a couple others like Slik that I hear thrown around. > > Anyway, aside from your work with photography and being all professional, do you ever find yourself doing nude shots with your girlfriends just for the pleasure of it all? Carbon fiber tripods are amazing - both in price and strength to weight ratio. 🙂 If you get a decent one, you are paying for a lifetime’s worth of use. It’s fairly inexpensive if you consider that. Professional photographers can be pretty rough on their equipment. _looking innocent_ If I am dating a woman and she inspires me artistically, or she wants to model nude for me, I do usually end up working with her as an artistic nude model. Women seem to really enjoy doing this… it makes them feel attractive, and it seems to make them feel as if they can consider themselves “attractive enough” in my eyes to “compete” for my photographic attention with the other women I work with. You’d be amazed at how much of a self confidence booster it can be for a woman to take all her clothes off, have images made of her, and then later see people respond to the artwork that results in positive attention. It’s a very powerful experience to have people consider you as a person, a beautiful work of art. It’s just a shame more women don’t understand that they are such works of art, nude or not. The reason for my rule against sleeping with my models is that this is a big no-no in terms of reputation as a professional photographer, and reptation is everything in some circles. I make exceptions for women I’m involved with because that’s my private life. There is no pleasure for me in just doing snapshots of a nude woman, because I cannot do just snapshots anymore. The technicalia is too ingrained. So I allow it to be expressed, but I take great pleasure in capturing the artistry of the human form. ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/26 "2006-07-03T17:25:45Z")
Target Profiling > [@itwow](#): > > I could identify individual females who are receptive to A1 but not to NONE & vice versa (receptive to NONE, EST). Those who are receptive to A1 also respond well to ANOL. > > Groups (female) > A1, ANOL (positive) > EST, NONE (positive) > EST, ANOL (positive) > > Most males do not welcome A1, NONE. The other end loves EST, ANOL (opposite group) > > Groups (male) > A1, NONE (negative) > EST, ANOL (positive) > > EST seems to have a broader appeal to both sexes, especially when in combo with A314. > > Notes I found online : > A1 works on both male & female VNO, it is twice as strong in females as it is in males. > EST works on both male & female VNO, it is four times as strong in males as it is in females. > [@](#): > > Our interpretation of this sex-differentiated pattern of activation was that the two steroid compounds may act bimodally, both as pheromones and odors. We proposed the hypothesis that the anterior hypothalamus primarily processed signals from the pheromone-like component of A1 and EST, whereas the olfactory brain primarily mediated the signals of their odor component. > > Depending on the sex of the responder in relation to the specific compound (A1 or EST), one pathway dominated, whereas the other was suppressed. This hypothesis was based upon observations of a similar phenomenon in studies of other bimodal odorants (for example, acetone) (22). **Source** : A1, EST in straight men, gay men and women > [@A1, EST in straight men, gay men and women](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-est-in-straight-men-gay-men-and-women/80): > > [http://www.mindfully.org/Health/2005/Pheromone-Brain-Response17may05.htm](http://www.mindfully.org/Health/2005/Pheromone-Brain-Response17may05.htm) The testosterone derivative 4,16-androstadien-3-one (AND) and the estrogen-like steroid estra-1,3,5(10),16-tetraen-3-ol (EST) are candidate compounds for human pheromones. AND is detected primarily in male sweat, whereas EST has been found in female urine. In a previous positron emission tomography study, we found that smelling AND and EST activated regions covering sexually dimorphic nuclei of the anterior hypot… Trying to gain some insight to target profiles wrt some groups of pheromones. From my observations, there seem to be a definite pattern of people who are responsive to either ANOL/A1 or NONE/EST. **@Spaceland or CTTM users** If you own either/both A1 & EST, do you see better responses from men/women when using -nol products with A1 or -nol products with EST? **@Ammo or TUTH users** If you own either/both A1 & EST, do you see better responses from men/women when using -none products with A1 or -none products with EST? Thanks. i2w ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2007, 5:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/27 "2007-08-03T05:57:30Z")
Sorry, I’m a little late on this post, but I’m blood type O+. I had no idea it had anything to do w/ androstenone. I am naturally shy, but lately more confident. I am sensitive, etc… I have noticed in the past, that when meeting new girls, even if they are my friends’ girlfriends or something, sometimes I get the feeling that they are uncomfortable around me. this is maybe 1/4 of the time, but it’s kind of like they think all I want to do is have sex with them. I don’t think I put out any weird vibes, and a lot of the time they can open up pretty easily. Is it really bad for me to use -none. Or should I wait til the girl gets to know me first. But I want girls to be sexually attracted to me, That’s what I want them to think when they first see me. so now I’m so confused. I have TUTH, ammo, a314. and a lot of other non -none based products. Any help is appreciated. thanks ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2007, 6:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/28 "2007-08-03T06:13:58Z")
> [@ogt192](#): > > Sorry, I’m a little late on this post, but I’m blood type O+. I had no idea it had anything to do w/ androstenone. > > I am naturally shy, but lately more confident. I am sensitive, etc… > > I have noticed in the past, that when meeting new girls, even if they are my friends’ girlfriends or something, sometimes I get the feeling that they are uncomfortable around me. this is maybe 1/4 of the time, but it’s kind of like they think all I want to do is have sex with them. I don’t think I put out any weird vibes, and a lot of the time they can open up pretty easily. > > Is it really bad for me to use -none. Or should I wait til the girl gets to know me first. But I want girls to be sexually attracted to me, That’s what I want them to think when they first see me. so now I’m so confused. I have Turn Up The Heat, ammo, A314. and a lot of other non -none based products. > > Any help is appreciated. thanks Just use less, a lot less -none. ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2007, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/29 "2007-08-03T06:29:25Z")
so does that mean i should pretty much just return my TUTH, or will that work for me when I’m in a position with the possibility of sex. Is ammo too much? I have no idea what would be too much, partly because before I bought pheros, that would happen with girls. If I can’t use none, what can I use to increase sexual attraction for me? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2007, 6:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/30 "2007-08-03T06:34:12Z")
> [@ogt192](#): > > so does that mean i should pretty much just return my Turn Up The Heat, or will that work for me when I’m in a position with the possibility of sex. > > Is ammo too much? > > I have no idea what would be too much, partly because before I bought pheros, that would happen with girls. > > If I can’t use none, what can I use to increase sexual attraction for me? > > Thanks I didn’t say don’t use -none, just use less. Instead of spraying the product, open the bottle, cover the top with your finger, and wipe your finger on your neck. Repeat 3-4-5-6-7 times. Be sure to do this with a clean finger or you will contaminate the bottle. ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2007, 6:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/31 "2007-08-03T06:38:53Z")
I am very interested to see what may suit my blood type of B + if there is anything also that is not so good for the B + , IF anyone has some knowledge of it. would appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2007, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/32 "2007-08-03T06:44:12Z")
thanks changazn. How will I know when I OD though? Any suggestions? I noticed you’re 16. Do you have any similar problems w/ -none products? ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2007, 6:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/33 "2007-08-03T06:58:39Z")
> [@ogt192](#): > > thanks changazn. > > How will I know when I OD though? Any suggestions? Er, do a quick “OD” search and read up. Here’s a thread: [One Nite, No Women = OD](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/one-nite-no-women-od/4849) “I was a freaking. . . ghost” \<---------- OD! ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2007, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/34 "2007-08-03T07:05:50Z")
thanks, i’ve read up on OD. I’m talking about with my situation. When sometimes I already put out that vibe w/ new people I meet. If I OD with people I know will, will I easily notice the effects? ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2007, 7:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/35 "2007-08-03T07:08:18Z")
> [@ogt192](#): > > thanks, i’ve read up on OD. I’m talking about with my situation. When sometimes I already put out that vibe w/ new people I meet. > > If I OD with people I know will, will I easily notice the effects? Um, girls might be more distant and guys might be more aggressive towards you. ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2007, 7:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/36 "2007-08-03T07:11:56Z")
i’ll try it out, thanks ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/37 "2007-08-04T02:21:03Z")
> [@ogt192](#): > > so does that mean i should pretty much just return my Turn Up The Heat, or will that work for me when I’m in a position with the possibility of sex. > > Is ammo too much? > > I have no idea what would be too much, partly because before I bought pheros, that would happen with girls. > > If I can’t use none, what can I use to increase sexual attraction for me? > > Thanks Everything is a matter of experimentation. Even as an older guy with blood type O I have a suspicion I may produce a fair amount of 'natural" adrostenone. And it’s going to depend on your “target” audience members as well. I personally consider androstenone “overrated” and over-used. I am leaning toward using more of the “social” pheromones, although I do have Ammunition, TUTH, and even some Primal Instinct. I have one “target” who literally curled up in a defensive ball when I tried PI with her, but lately when I use Ammuniton, ir even PI along with some of the “moderating” [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) (like IFM, Openness, and Shine) I don’t see that negative reaction. However I have also learned to use very small amounts of Androstenone. Ammo is a good balanced product, you should be okay with it as long as you don’t get too carried away. But I would personally leave TUTH and similar products on the shelf until things get steamier, and then use in vary small doses (and work up). My opinion. Of course the one other thing I should meniton is that iI really haven’t “scored” shall we say in a very very long time for a variety of reasons. I haven’t quite found that magic “liquid panty remover” one hears about… I am currently working on Long Term type relationships. For One Night Stand types where its more a “target of opportunity” type thing heavier androstenone doses may work, but you will probably also see a majority of women running away from you… My thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 9:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448/38 "2007-09-29T21:31:53Z")
I was wondering if the targets’ blood type also had an effect on their reaction to your pheromones. Is there a chart somewhere that shows some kind of data about this? -D4 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-newbie-advice-was-it-good-advice/448.md?page=1)