# Pheromone-Spiked Massage Oil Reference **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [June 24, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914 "2011-06-24T16:43:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/1 "2011-06-24T16:43:34Z")
I thought about creating a thread which could be used as a reference for people to share ideas about **massage oil**. What a great way to play with pheromones and test their effects in relationships whether long-term or with new acquaintances (for those who like to move really fast). Consider taking a favorite massage oil and mixing it with a pheromone product that is intended to ignite passion from a lover (or a potential lover as the case may be), but passion on several different levels ranging from openness, to honesty, to sheer lust, (perhaps responses should be qualified as appropriate for established relationships, verses new acquaintances as it would seem the mone product would be quite different). But here are some questions to ponder: 1. What are the best commercially available massage oils to consider that are non-allergenic, non-irritating, and non-greasy? 2. What are the best pheromone product(s) to use, qualified by the circumstances of the relationship? 3. Have you found that an oil-based lotion or liquid mixes well with an alcohol based pheromone product(s), and what steps do you take in mixing, or do you apply them separately for greater control? 4. Are there certain body areas you should avoid with the [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) for the purpose of massage? 5. Are there certain body areas you should focus on with the pheromone products for the purpose of massage? 6. Have you found any putatives, mixes, or experimentals that you would recommended for massage purposes? Please share your concoctions and your experiences (good or bad) with the community and let’s hope this goes well. Also, maybe you have some new questions that you would like to see answered here on this subject (keeping in mind we don’t want to overload or over complicate the discussion). Thank you for your participation. **Note for Women:** Even though this is posted in the men’s area, I fully intend and hope that women will participate as well. I think if women were to try some of these in your relationships (or have your own secret potions you are willing to share) and report here with your results, it would be great and much appreciated! ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/2 "2011-06-24T19:27:27Z")
You can find some ready-made [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/)-infused massage oils at **Removed By Site-Owner Request** ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/3 "2011-06-24T21:03:42Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > You can find some ready-made pheromone-infused massage oils at _ **REMOVED** _ Appreciate your response dbot. That kind of input can help educate and get me going with some ideas on what I will use in my own concoctions. I went and took a closer look at their site, and I have to admit it left me kind of wanting, but not wanting what they were offering. I am familiar with the macadamia nut and grapeseed based products which are common in the market place. A closer look at their ingredients shows that they pretty much add the kitchen sink. Speaking of the kitchen, in their ingredients it seems they like black pepper, ginger, rosemary, lemongrass, etc. 😮 Am I suppose to eat the subject after applying? lol 🙄 _er uh… no pun intended, but I’m not sure…_ You think they might have a low-cal version? Forgive me dbot, I am being totally stupid here. I also see that they use warming agents (dunno, I guess to help achieve a medium rare result? stopit ET!). No but seriously, I am not sure that everyone likes the warming agents found in some of the personal products out there. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/4 "2011-06-24T21:56:52Z")
I don’t know anything about that site or its products, but I do have some body soap with those oils which I find work pretty well. Interesting! For me, I’d rather just use a product dedicated to being a really nice massage oil and then wear the mones when doing the massage. But then again, maybe there’s something to putting the mones in the oil? It seems a little redundant to me but I have no idea. Curious though. EDIT: The ingredients like lemongrass or anything else you’d find in the kitchen were used ON the body way before it was used IN the body 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/5 "2011-06-24T22:22:07Z")
I removed the site, because the site owner asked that it be removed. They are not interested in cross-promoting as its a very different product than what AD is offering. I personally know they offer an excellent product 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/6 "2011-06-24T23:45:30Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > **I removed the site, because the site owner asked that it be removed**. They are not interested in cross-promoting as its a very different product than what AD is offering. I personally know they offer an excellent product 😉 It’s still there in the quote in the third post though. ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/7 "2011-06-24T23:52:14Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > I don’t know anything about that site or its products, but I do have some body soap with those oils which I find work pretty well. Interesting! > For me, I’d rather just use a product dedicated to being a really nice massage oil and then wear the mones when doing the massage. > But then again, maybe there’s something to putting the mones in the oil? It seems a little redundant to me but I have no idea. Curious though. > > EDIT: The ingredients like lemongrass or anything else you’d find in the kitchen were used ON the body way before it was used IN the body 😉 🙂 John buddy, ya gotta think outside the box man! lol …er uh maybe I am just all cornfused or something… 😕 My thinking has been going kind of like this: not every use of massage oil in the conventional sense necessarily means that both partners are actively involved and educated in the use of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). Maybe a massage oil can be the avenue for use of the pheromones on a partner who has not explored pheromones on their own for whatever reason. Take the example of a person that uses pheromones, but he/she wants to use the pheromones on a target person as well in order to have an enhanced chemistry going both ways with both themself and the target. How much easier is it to offer (and have someone accept) a massage, than it is to say, “Here, let me put some of this stuff out of this cobalt blue bottle on you and see how you react!” Well, I’m not trying to suggest deceptive behavior or the idea of “slipping a mickey” so to speak, but if your target is willing to let you give them a massage, I think amazing mutual things can happen, am I right? Are you seeing it? This intent can be in a brand new relationship that might just be starting out, or it could be a married couple. In either case, you may not always have two educated participants in the use of pheromones. I learned today that the word “pheromone” can be broken down in the Greek language according to one source as follows: _“pherein”_ - to transport, transfer, or trigger, and _“hormone”_ - to stimulate, excite, or bring pleasure. So you have one definition as being, _the transfer or triggering of excitement and pleasure._ There are several “entry gates” where stimuli enter into our sense of experience. For example with pheromones, you have the VNOs, the olfactory sensors, the hypothalamus, and the amygdala where all this triggering and transferring of excitement occurs. But what if you enhance what the mones are doing through their entry gate, with another entry gate of excitement such as touch, and muscular stimulation/relaxation? I have known women in my past who were not necessarily in the mood for a sexual experience, perhaps because of tension, but if a good full-body massage was applied using the right methods, techniques, and sensitivities, that mood could very easily and often did change, and that was without pheromones! So now, what if the art of pheromones is combined with the art of massage therapy to create a combined experience where both of these powerful techniques begin to work as a team, rather than as two independent elements exclusive of each other? I am kind of excited about this and will try to publish my results (and hopefully any successes) here. Being that I am happily married, my target is limited to my wife and the possibilities for testing are limited. I would hope that the community here will see the potential and discover an exciting new variation on the use of mones if we open this up and stir an interest in the single/dating community as well! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/8 "2011-06-25T01:28:06Z")
I still feel that its redundant 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/9 "2011-06-25T02:08:22Z")
Everyone’s entitled to an opinion even if they are confused! LOL 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 5:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/10 "2011-06-25T05:56:12Z")
ETPhHm, the common bases for massage oils are sweet almond oil (the one I hear most bruited); grapeseed oil, and sunflower oil. There are others, but these are the most easily obtained. They are lightweight and will suit the purpose, but be aware, they WILL stain the sheets or whatever your partner is on. (Chair, couch, etc.) Now, if you could find an unscented body butter and put the mones in that, you might have a better mix and a better product, with less stain possibility. Maybe need to use more, as it soaked into the skin, but hey. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 6:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/11 "2011-06-25T06:41:52Z")
> [@ETPhHm](#): > > Everyone’s entitled to an opinion even if they are confused! LOL 😛 Haha thanks dude. I think its better to WEAR the pheromones instead of have them in the oil since then whoever you are massaging is certain to pick up the signal directly from you instead of the oil itself - which is emanating from their back more than likely if they are face down. Does that make sense? Also, with the constant rubbing its possible you are crushing the molecules themselves over and over which may distort their structure making them less effective. Also remember that not every oil and chemical plays nice with these molecules. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 8:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/12 "2011-06-25T08:06:26Z")
> [@Boudicca](#): > > ETPhHm, the common bases for massage oils are sweet almond oil (the one I hear most bruited); **grapeseed oil,** and sunflower oil. There are others, but these are the most easily obtained. They are lightweight and will suit the purpose, but be aware, they WILL stain the sheets or whatever your partner is on. (Chair, couch, etc.) > > Now, if you could find an unscented body butter and put the mones in that, you might have a better mix and a better product, with less stain possibility. Maybe need to use more, as it soaked into the skin, but hey. For massage?! Grapeseed Oil? I used to cook with this in Oz. Great in a stirfry and is heart healthy. Has the Australian Heart Foundation “tick” of approval. I also used it instead of olive oil - when I didn’t want stuff smelling of olives . . . I would NEVER have used this for massage. Apricot kernel oil is another great one. Also good for essential oil perfume mixes. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 8:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/13 "2011-06-25T08:25:08Z")
There is one that’s good out there, I used one, and out of respect for the owner and Androtics I’m not going to name what it is. I checked the quality and the self effects on myself and I gotta say, at first impression this is a great concept and while I haven’t tried it on another person yet, this has great potential. ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 12:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/14 "2011-06-25T12:08:32Z")
> [@Astrea](#): > > For massage?! Grapeseed Oil? I used to cook with this in Oz. Great in a stirfry and is heart healthy. Has the Australian Heart Foundation “tick” of approval. I also used it instead of olive oil - when I didn’t want stuff smelling of olives . . . I would NEVER have used this for massage. Apricot kernel oil is another great one. Also good for essential oil perfume mixes. Grapeseed oil is my favourite for massage. It’s amazing for skin. One of the firmest and most beautiful pair of breasts I’ve ever seen belongs to my friend who’s almost 70 now, and she swears her secret is massaging them with grapeseed oil. She had two children in her late 30s, and that involved four years of continuous breastfeeding. ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/15 "2011-06-25T14:38:13Z")
> [@Boudicca](#): > > ETPhHm, the common bases for massage oils are sweet almond oil (the one I hear most bruited); grapeseed oil, and sunflower oil. There are others, but these are the most easily obtained. They are lightweight and will suit the purpose, but be aware, they WILL stain the sheets or whatever your partner is on. (Chair, couch, etc.) > > Now, if you could find an unscented body butter and put the mones in that, you might have a better mix and a better product, with less stain possibility. Maybe need to use more, as it soaked into the skin, but hey. Thanks Boudicca 🙂 . Staining is probably a fairly important concern I’m sure for most, and on a sofa or a chair I think you would half to be very careful and very sparing on the amount of oil used, but with most of the lightweight oils I’ve used, they seem to wash right out if you get them on sheets or clothing. Any thoughts on Macadamia Nut oil or Lavender oil? I just learned that any natural oils (almond, grape seed, lavender, sunflower, pecan, macadamia, etc) can be water dispersable and thus washable if the product has the right amount of polysorbate. It won’t help a sofa or chair stain that much, lol. ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/16 "2011-06-25T14:46:12Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > There is one that’s good out there, I used one, and out of respect for the owner and Androtics I’m not going to name what it is. > > I checked the quality and the self effects on myself and I gotta say, at first impression this is a great concept and while I haven’t tried it on another person yet, this has great potential. See! Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion! I agree with you P51 about the concept, and I think PheroTalk is a great venue to further develop the possibilities. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/17 "2011-06-25T14:53:40Z")
> [@Astrea](#): > > For massage?! Grapeseed Oil? I used to cook with this in Oz. Great in a stirfry and is heart healthy. Has the Australian Heart Foundation “tick” of approval. I also used it instead of olive oil - when I didn’t want stuff smelling of olives . . . I would NEVER have used this for massage. Apricot kernel oil is another great one. Also good for essential oil perfume mixes. Hey there Astrea! We crazy Americans do some pretty strange things here and grape seed oil is probably one of the more common oils used by massage therapists that I’ve experienced, and its fairly common to find it in stores and on the net for the purpose of massage. A lot of oils are edible though, but I would think if something is OK to consume its probably going to be fairly safe for your skin, within reason. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/18 "2011-06-25T14:56:51Z")
> [@ETPhHm](#): > > See! Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion! I agree with you P51 about the concept, and I think PheroTalk is a great venue to further develop the possibilities. 🙂 Well yes people are entitled to their opinion and the ability to test out other products out there. However, pherotalk’s forums are mostly for their products, also at this time they haven’t made plans to make any jumps to that. Not every company can do everything, this is why other credible pheromone companies out there exist, to cater to different needs. APR has their own vision and direction that they want to go to while others companies have theirs, I personally think that AD’s product lineup is very good, and are pretty consistent but they are not the only ones. LS has some good products as well, and from what I heard, things like Scent of Eros complements A314 very well. John’s suggestion is correct too, you can wear the mones on you and get some good quality massage oils and go that route, or you can check out other pheromone massage oils and test em out. ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/19 "2011-06-25T15:19:12Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Well yes people are entitled to their opinion and the ability to test out other products out there. > > However, pherotalk’s forums are mostly for their products, also at this time they haven’t made plans to make any jumps to that. Not every company can do everything, this is why other credible pheromone companies out there exist, to cater to different needs. APR has their own vision and direction that they want to go to while others companies have theirs, I personally think that AD’s product lineup is very good, and are pretty consistent but they are not the only ones. LS has some good products as well, and from what I heard, things like Scent of Eros complements A314 very well. > > John’s suggestion is correct too, you can wear the mones on you and get some good quality massage oils and go that route, or you can check out other pheromone massage oils and test em out. OMG, I have not seen so much misunderstanding. Please read carefully! My intent here is not to recommend or suggest other products, and never was. Another poster early on in this thread did that which derailed my intent here, and caused an Admin to remove the product name from his post. To the contrary, my intent is to use Androtics products with a lightweight oil to test its benefits when used as a massage enhancement. This is really a great idea if you have vision and are broad minded. P51 and another poster have testified that their experiences with other spiked massage oils have been very positive. That’s exactly what I am saying, the concept is a good concept and I would like to explore that here with the community! Frankly, I see absolutely no difference in using pheromones with a massage oil and discussing it here, compared to mixing putatives, experimentals, and trying various combinations of products and discussing those results here. In both cases, people are learning what AD products to use and how it works best under the right circumstances!! If I and others are buying AD products to use in some new way, cmon… that just broadens the market for AD and the application for the products. Could we please try to be a little more constructive here? Thanks guys, appreciate it, really I do… :o ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/20 "2011-06-25T15:45:46Z")
> [@ETPhHm](#): > > OMG, I have not seen so much misunderstanding. Please read carefully! > > My intent here is not to recommend or suggest other products, and never was. Another poster early on in this thread did that which derailed my intent here, and caused an Admin to remove the product name from his post. To the contrary, my intent is to use Androtics products with a lightweight oil to test its benefits when used as a massage enhancement. This is really a great idea if you have vision and are broad minded. P51 and another poster have testified that their experiences with other spiked massage oils have been very positive. That’s exactly what I am saying, the concept is a good concept and I would like to explore that here with the community! Frankly, I see absolutely no difference in using pheromones with a massage oil and discussing it here, compared to mixing putatives, experimentals, and trying various combinations of products and discussing those results here. In both cases, people are learning what AD products to use and how it works best under the right circumstances!! > > If I and others are buying AD products to use in some new way, cmon… that just broadens the market for AD and the application for the products. Could we please try to be a little more constructive here? Thanks guys, appreciate it, really I do… :o Yes it is very much possible to do that. However with diffusion and other factors involved, it might not be the most cost effective means for you to try out the putatives/consumer line with the oils. Unless I am mistaken, please correct me if I am, that you want something along the lines of seeing what would mix well with the oils? Unfortunately because the data would be useless to AD, you would have to buy some of these molecules at full price. That can get expensive. If you’re planning to use it while wearing mones and massage oil, then I believe John already explained that part. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914.md?page=2)