# Pheromone-Spiked Massage Oil Reference **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [June 24, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914 "2011-06-24T16:43:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/21 "2011-06-25T15:55:41Z")
To elaborate on this further. Typically, based on other member formulations on oil/DPG/silicone, most have found that there needs to be a stronger concentration of mones because the amount that diffuses is not the same as it would be if it were in spray form. Pheromone Diffused = Total Pheromone content/Rate of diffusion (Arbitrary numbers) For Spray: Intended Pheromone Diffusion rate = 15mcg/hour 15mcg/hour = 60mcg Total pheromones/4 hours For DPG for the same contents lets say diffuses in 8 hours. 7.5mcg/hour = 60mcg total pheromones/8 hours How do you solve for a higher PD, then you would up the dosage to 120mcg of total pheromones. That’s where the tricky part comes in, hence, just layer it on skin. That’s why most of the people here have told you that of advice. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/22 "2011-06-25T16:16:35Z")
Speaking as a chemist, John was right on two points and likely wrong on #3. 1. Yes, the fx will be better coming from you than from your subject’s back. 2. Yes, these chemicals are going to “play differently” with different dispersants/solvents. What works in ethanol may not work so well in, e.g. sweet almond oil. 3. No, rubbing is a very macro-level action, and will not break down the molecules any more than stirring or agitation to disperse the molecules in the solvent. ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/23 "2011-06-25T16:30:21Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Yes it is very much possible to do that. > > However with diffusion and other factors involved, it might not be the most cost effective means for you to try out the putatives/consumer line with the oils. Unless I am mistaken, please correct me if I am, that you want something along the lines of seeing what would mix well with the oils? > > Unfortunately because the data would be useless to AD, you would have to buy some of these molecules at full price. That can get expensive. > > If you’re planning to use it while wearing mones and massage oil, then I believe John already explained that part. P51, I don’t know what your association is with AD but when you make a statement like the above, one would get the distinct impression that you are in some kind of management position with AD, which is fine. But for John and P51, could we please broaden our minds a little and consider the following possibilities? If the concept is a viable one that a pheromone enhanced massage oil would be beneficial and desirable (and at least 4 people in this thread including the Admin already agree that it is, despite what John thinks), then the AD product users should be able to share their experiences of which AD products work best in combination with what type of oils without getting a lot of negativity and resistance from people like John. _John, please don’t take offence to that my friend, from what I have read, a lot of people perceive you the same way… I know you are trying to be helpful, but your words aren’t always polished and structured to get the most positive impact from those you reply to. I think you’ll grow and learn in time. I’m just sayin…_ One might suspect or hope that AD may take some of this data that I am trying to promote an interest in and suggest to its community that if you would like to use their products in this fashion, here is what our users have found to work with the best results and compatibilities. Although I don’t want to presume anything about ADs future product plans or directions, I don’t think it would be totally unrealistic to suggest that some of the findings here would be useful to AD in future product development, and not just in one avenue of thinking but perhaps in several ways. In order to see that, one would have to be broad-minded, visionary, multi-dimensional, and forward thinking. Again, I’m just saying… (Sheez, the girls are going to definitely avoid this thread because there is so much freaken testosterone spewing around, lol) ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/24 "2011-06-25T16:37:28Z")
> [@](#): > > (Sheez, the girls are going to definitely avoid this thread because there is so much freaken testosterone spewing around, lol) LOL in case you haven’t noticed, you’ve had a few girls participating in this thread already. Please to note the pink female sign under my name over there \<– as well as under Astrea’s name! 😃😉 Personally, I think this would be a logical next step for AD, and y’all probably should sit up and take notice of the interest of a few people in the forum to this sort of product. You already have A314 in an oil base carrier. You could make a bang-up massage oil by, say, playing around with TUTH in a compatible carrier (since we already know that it affects male and female). Now I dunno that TUTH is the right one; women, from what I’ve read, take a lot less and OD on a lot less than guys do. But you get the idea. ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/25 "2011-06-25T16:53:11Z")
> [@Boudicca](#): > > Speaking as a chemist, John was right on two points and likely wrong on #3. > > 1. Yes, the fx will be better coming from you than from your subject’s back. The back should only be the starting place of a full body massage, and certainly not the only place. As I understand it, the pheromone signatures are very complex and work in two directions, both to the masseur and their massage subject. In addition, what about consideration of the masseur’s hands and forearms in the application of the massage? > [@Boudicca](#): > > 1. Yes, these chemicals are going to “play differently” with different dispersants/solvents. What works in ethanol may not work so well in, e.g. sweet almond oil. Right! which is why in this thread, I am trying to encourage users to discover what AD products work best with what type of oils to get maximum benefit. > [@Boudicca](#): > > 1. No, rubbing is a very macro-level action, and will not break down the molecules any more than stirring or agitation to disperse the molecules in the solvent. Agreed, but I am glad that a knowledgeable person like Boudicca confirmed that through her professional education and experience. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/26 "2011-06-25T16:54:55Z")
> [@ETPhHm](#): > > P51, I don’t know what your association is with AD but when you make a statement like the above, one would get the distinct impression that you are in some kind of management position with AD, which is fine. But for John and P51, could we please broaden our minds a little and consider the following possibilities? > > If the concept is a viable one that a pheromone enhanced massage oil would be beneficial and desirable (and at least 4 people in this thread including the Admin already agree that it is, despite what John thinks), then the AD product users should be able to share their experiences of which AD products work best in combination with what type of oils without getting a lot of negativity and resistance from people like John. _John, please don’t take offence to that my friend, from what I have read, a lot of people perceive you the same way… I know you are trying to be helpful, but your words aren’t always polished and structured to get the most positive impact from those you reply to. I think you’ll grow and learn in time. I’m just sayin…_ > > One might suspect or hope that AD may take some of this data that I am trying to promote an interest in and suggest to its community that if you would like to use their products in this fashion, here is what our users have found to work with the best results and compatibilities. Although I don’t want to presume anything about ADs future product plans or directions, I don’t think it would be totally unrealistic to suggest that some of the findings here would be useful to AD in future product development, and not just in one avenue of thinking but perhaps in several ways. In order to see that, one would have to be broad-minded, visionary, multi-dimensional, and forward thinking. Again, I’m just saying… > > (Sheez, the girls are going to definitely avoid this thread because there is so much freaken testosterone spewing around, lol) No I’m not in management lol. I’ve just been around the forums and I’ve read the type of reporting you need to do for your reporting user status. John also mentioned in another post they are trying for a few more oil based mones, but that’s taking some time. What information I convey to you is in no way AD’s official position or am I privy to any other information that you guys don’t know. Again what I tell you is from a year plus of reading the forum on pretty much a daily basis, that’s all I can offer. I do like these types of discussions, but also know that they have been discussed before in the past and a few more threads read and you’ll learn so much more information on that. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/27 "2011-06-25T17:07:58Z")
> [@ETPhHm](#): > > The back should only be the starting place of a full body massage, and certainly not the only place. As I understand it, the pheromone signatures are very complex and work in two directions, both to the masseur and their massage subject. In addition, what about consideration of the masseur’s hands and forearms in the application of the massage? > > **Right! which is why in this thread, I am trying to encourage users to discover what AD products work best with what type of oils to get maximum benefit.** > > Agreed, but I am glad that a knowledgeable person like Boudicca confirmed that through her professional education and experience. There are plenty of users here that have experimented in other uses for mones in different carries and have broadened their experience when it comes to learning the molecules. Also know that it took years of usage and testing by those members to get these perfected. As for encouraging other users, there are so many here with different goals for using mones. Some like Radman, take the consumer products and just use it and go out and have fun. Some like snoopyace, K-Train started experimenting with oil, and effects of A1. Then you’ll have users like thegentleman, maidenfan, smellymen, to name a few that will test how mones affect things in the venues they have, each have taken a different path in how they want to go. You’re looking for research in a very narrow range for a specific use, most members don’t have the passion for that specific application that you’re looking for which is what led me to the posts in reply to you. - Testing molecules by themselves are hard enough in themselves. - Gauging how these molecules reacts take time and sweet spot testing (effective dosage to receive desired results, if any) - Mixing molecules in a previously untested carrier would take more time. - Because of the current supply issues, it is harder to come across the putatives and wouldn’t be the most cost effective use of product if members here specifically don’t want to do it. I’m not trying to discourage you at all, but it can get frustrating if you find something that works, then the rolling blackout keeps your molecule you want away from you for a few months. Then you’d have to halt the testing. For your benefit, it would be easier to layer the mones on your skin and it would be the most cost efficient way. The people who have made these products have years and years of experience and testing behind them, and they have gone out and gotten the best of the best in quality and tested so much that they have found a great product. Unless you’re looking to do that, for quick results, test, layer and enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/28 "2011-06-25T18:56:46Z")
When I worked in my profession through my 20s and 30s as a young engineer, I was so on top of the world with so much energy, knowledge, and had so much drive in the SoCal headquartered company I worked for with over 8000 employees. This company had started in the 50s and the young jet setters during my time were surrounded by so many much older people who had already been through the school of experience and hard knocks, been there, done that, resistant to change… Our CEO was one of the ones that died on the airplane crash with Ron Brown, chairman of the DNC, later becoming Clinton’s Secretary of Commerce (Brown had become known as the loose canon in the eyes of the Clinton Administration at the time of the crash). Our CEO died along with over 25 other top execs from major design firms. The new CEO who was appointed to replace the one who died in the crash was an even older man but was so much sharper, wiser, and brighter… So much so that during the 90s and 2Ks when many design firms tanked and struggled to make ends meet, our company grew and flourished and my employee stock for the 20+ years I was there put me in a great position today (thank God I left SoCal a few years ago at the height of the real estate market just before it collapsed). Two great moves in life I have been blessed with. The key was diversification. The new CEO saw the mind set of the older crew, that people by default don’t like change, and become so gripped by the philosophy of, _“We’ve always done it this way before, so if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.”_ By mandatory edict, he made all 8000 employees watch a motivational film called “Paradigms.” The movie taught people to be willing to learn new ideas with a positive attitude, encourage people who are innovative, be willing to change even if it goes against your comfort zone, think positive, promote new concepts and ideas outside the box. Our company grew while others in our same sector were down-sizing… and during that same time, the stock market was tanking in a lot of design sectors. I am glad I saw that movie then in my younger years; it has made me a better person today. Seems that movie should have been watched by a few more people… ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/29 "2011-06-25T20:27:54Z")
Нет, товарищ…in Soviet Androtics, Mones choose you 😉 Seems to be a heavy case of certain people (Androtics or otherwise) telling people what it is they want… Just my opinion, ETP makes a valid point and instead of discussing he is just being told it isn’t what he really wants and should do A,B or C…and by some strange coincidence we just happen to have some of that in stock… циничные, я? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/30 "2011-06-25T20:54:16Z")
Appreciate the encouragement Rattlesnake. You seem to have a good heart in spite of the venomous bite your nick implies 😃 In fairness though, I’m not sure if it’s really about, “Buy what we have to offer and forget about your own ideas.” …no, because I don’t think any of the ones who have been negative stand to gain a penny (or perhaps a kopeck, 😉) by shooting this concept down. Rather, I think it’s more about male ego and testosterone mixed with a little camaraderie, resistance to new ideas, and people caught up in paradigms as I explained earlier. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/31 "2011-06-25T21:01:34Z")
Well the massage oil site that I removed is mine 🙂. Its a hobby of mine and I didn’t want anyone here to think I’m using my position with AD to promote my own products. I’d like to keep it that way. It took two years of research to develop a product based on carriers good for the skin and Essential Oils that revitalize yet also have some type of aphrodisiac properties. At the same time warming the body both topical and internal while using all natural organic materials. Pheromones however are chemicals and therefore I cannot label my product ORGANIC. Everything except the mones themselves are organic, including the warming agent, and thus edible. Again except the pheromones. Pheromone massage oil is a product for couples. If you are using it as an attraction element your thinking is skewed. You wouldn’t be giving a massage to someone who wasn’t comfortable with you. If your thinking on a pro level I would say you need to have your license stripped and prosecuted for professional misconduct. I created my product with sensual relaxing mones. Again its not an attractant but an enhancement to a good massage session. I personally removed the link because I feel it would violate my contract with AD and it was never intended to be posted on here. Its actually pretty interesting because as of now I am seeking a patent on something that occurs 😉. In my years of research I discovered a unique process of pheromone delivery that could quite possibly change an entire industry. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/32 "2011-06-25T21:08:15Z")
Steve, I would like to see you discuss it with AD and maybe y’all work in conjunction. That’s a product I wouldn’t mind using at all. Unfortunately I missed the link - you took it down before I found the thread. And I understand why. And I respect you even more for it. But I really do think you may have something there, and I really would like to have access to it, and I think you and AD could probably come to a mutually beneficial agreement, all things considered. Please guys, look into it. It would be good for those of us who are either older couples or maybe (as in my case) biochemically older, if not chronologically older. In fact I can think of several ways to use it right now (and no, I’m not telling 😛:o). ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/33 "2011-06-25T21:25:03Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Well the massage oil site that I removed is mine 🙂. Its a hobby of mine and I didn’t want anyone here to think I’m using my position with AD to promote my own products. I’d like to keep it that way. It took two years of research to develop a product based on carriers good for the skin and Essential Oils that revitalize yet also have some type of aphrodisiac properties. At the same time warming the body both topical and internal while using all natural organic materials. Pheromones however are chemicals and therefore I cannot label my product ORGANIC. Everything except the mones themselves are organic, including the warming agent, and thus edible. Again except the pheromones. In my opinion Steve, I am not sure it was wise to let the cat out of the bag. What you just wrote there sounded a lot like an advertisement, sorry, it is what it is. > [@Steve](#): > > Pheromone massage oil is a product for couples. If you are using it as an attraction element your thinking is skewed. You wouldn’t be giving a massage to someone who wasn’t comfortable with you. If your thinking on a pro level I would say you need to have your license stripped and prosecuted for professional misconduct. I created my product with sensual relaxing mones. Again its not an attractant but an enhancement to a good massage session. I feel that statement is totally uncalled for and is about as pointed and insulting as it can possibly be (_do you ever re-read what you write before you actually click the Submit button?_). > [@Steve](#): > > I personally removed the link because I feel it would violate my contract with AD and it was never intended to be posted on here. Its actually pretty interesting because as of now I am seeking a patent on something that occurs 😉. In my years of research I discovered a unique process of pheromone delivery that could quite possibly change an entire industry. Well that just makes a whole hell of a lot of sense now because I am positive that P51 already knows what you just revealed, and maybe John too. So it seems to me the reason this thread has caused such a stir of camaraderie, negativity and discouragement is because of the conflicting interests of one of the associates of AD!! This is now a bit ridiculous. My very upbeat opinions to help a great company market its product are really starting to pale… all because someone who is already marketing a product that I am suggesting the others in this community research with me might be feeling his ventures outside AD are being threatened. Sir, you making your last post was incredibly unwise and did more damage than you can imagine. You may have helped AD to lose a customer who felt their business model and ethics are premiere… I really need to reconsider. I think the best thing for you to do Steve sir is to delete your previous post and this one too, and keep your conflicting interests to your self!!! ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/34 "2011-06-25T21:30:13Z")
ET, hon, chill. I have had some very long conversations with Steve (electronic, granted, but still), and he’s a very honest and aboveboard guy. I think that he is trying hard to do exactly what you were suggesting to do, and has been experimenting on his own. I think that perhaps he’s testing now, and I personally don’t see it as a particular conflict of interest simply BECAUSE AD doesn’t compete in that market. Now if we’re gonna talk testosterone, I figure you’re the one needing to simmer down at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/35 "2011-06-25T21:35:26Z")
ET, hon ?? I can promise you AD already knows about Steve’s venture. He never should have opened pandora’s box. His first action was the right one, trust me on that… and as soon as Steve took that action to remove the link, I edited my own post which followed where I had quoted the other user who posted that link. I removed it from my own post. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/36 "2011-06-25T21:37:03Z")
I’m Southern. I “hon” or “sugar” everybody. 😉 It’s just a friendly affectionate remark. “Hon” is short for “honey.” ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/37 "2011-06-25T21:58:23Z")
OMG, what a smoke screen Steve has created. Boudicca, you want the link? Just left click on Steve’s nick near his avatar and choose “Visit my Homepage” and there you have it. A guy who is so concerned about not “violating his contract with AD” and yet he is advertising right on this message board. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/38 "2011-06-25T22:20:01Z")
> [@ETPhHm](#): > > OMG, what a smoke screen Steve has created. Boudicca, you want the link? Just left click on Steve’s nick near his avatar and choose “Visit my Homepage” and there you have it. A guy who is so concerned about not “violating his contract with AD” and yet he is advertising right on this message board. I think you might want to let go of your enormous ego and get a grip. Before you decide to post what AD’s policies are you should at least have a conceptual understanding what they are. Of course when you don’t and start telling others what you believe based completely on misconceptions and thus mislead other members into believing what you want them to you come across as disingenuous. AD has always allowed people to have a homepage and many members here have products listed even in their signature that are owned by them. So PLEASE get YOUR facts straight before spreading deception and misinformation. I have an opinion and I’m entitled to it as you are. My opinion is that if a person uses pheromone massage oil in a professional setting and doesn’t let their clients know about it they are in violation of that persons professional trust. Hmmm that’s insulting to you huh? Massage oils are not used to attract people they are used on a willing partner. What you tell your partner is up to the individual but again MY OPINION, if you’re already giving a massage to someone than attraction isn’t what’s required. There has to be some level of comfort and confidence to start with. _ **D** o you ever re-read what you write before you actually click the Submit button?_\*\* You should give it a go sometime, but the best advice I could give someone like yourself is climb down off your ego.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/boudicca/32/5171_2.png) [@Boudicca](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Boudicca)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/39 "2011-06-25T22:26:47Z")
> [@ETPhHm](#): > > OMG, what a smoke screen Steve has created. Boudicca, you want the link? Just left click on Steve’s nick near his avatar and choose “Visit my Homepage” and there you have it. A guy who is so concerned about not “violating his contract with AD” and yet he is advertising right on this message board. Again I repeat, since Steve’s massage oil is NOT in competition with anything that AD is producing - they do not manufacture massage oils - he is NOT in a conflict of interest. His desire was to AVOID the APPEARANCE of same. You, ET, are not presenting a positive image here. In all fairness, I’ve gone on some tears recently on the board myself, but they were due to physical, mental, and emotional pain, and I am trying to heal. I have also apologized to those I inadvertently attacked. YOU, however, are presenting what appear to be smear tactics. I think I smell a hint of jealousy that maybe somebody else had the idea and acted upon it before you did. And yes, I bookmarked Steve’s site. EDIT: Now I don’t have to smell a hint: > [@](#): > > all because someone who is already marketing a product that I am suggesting the others in this community research with me might be feeling his ventures outside AD are being threatened. ---
**Author:** ![ETPhHm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ETPhHm](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ETPhHm)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914/40 "2011-06-25T22:35:25Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > I think you might want to let go of your enormous ego and get a grip. Before you decide to post what AD’s policies are you should at least have a conceptual understanding what they are. Of course when you don’t and start telling others what you believe based completely on misconceptions and thus mislead other members into believing what you want them to you come across as disingenuous. AD has always allowed people to have a homepage and many members here have products listed even in their signature that are owned by them. So PLEASE get YOUR facts straight before spreading deception and misinformation. Steve, I believe it was you who said in a prior post, > [@Steve](#): > > “I didn’t want anyone here to think I’m using my position with AD to promote my own products…I personally removed the link because I feel it would violate my contract with AD and it was never intended to be posted on here.” So seriously Steve, could you please tell me where I happen to be posting AD’s Policies with presumption? I believe what I have done is quote what the Administrator of the message board has said who also happens to be an associate of AD. What am I missing here? > [@Steve](#): > > I have an opinion and I’m entitled to it as you are. My opinion is that if a person uses pheromone massage oil in a professional setting and doesn’t let their clients know about it they are in violation of that persons professional trust. Hmmm that’s insulting to you huh? The reason that is insulting is because nowhere in any of the prior posts was anything discussed about professional use, not in my initial thread that outlined my intents here, nor in any that followed, sir. It’s like you just decided to throw that in for what every reason who the hell knows? > [@Steve](#): > > Massage oils are not used to attract people they are used on a willing partner. What you tell your partner is up to the individual but again MY OPINION, if you’re already giving a massage to someone than attraction isn’t what’s required. There has to be some level of comfort and confidence to start with. Agreed! have I written any thing contrary to that prior? > [@Steve](#): > > _ **D** o you ever re-read what you write before you actually click the Submit button?_\*\* You should give it a go sometime, but the best advice I could give someone like yourself is climb down off your ego.😉 Are you saying that your ego was not affected in any of this? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-spiked-massage-oil-reference/50914.md?page=3)