# Pheromones and Family? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 24, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266 "2006-12-24T17:00:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/21 "2006-12-28T00:58:38Z")
Well, I wore IShine and IOpen (about 3-4 “To Go” sized sprays each) at the family gathering Monday. I can’t say things were much different than usual. Overall things were upbeat, and there was decent conversation, but I can’t say that it was any more than previous year’s gatherings (without [pheromone](https://a314.com/) presence). I felt pretty much tha same as I usually did. There was about a two hour gap between application and my arrival, but I did sneak in that fourth spray of each after I was there about an hour as a booster. Admittedly it may be hard to judge a change (if any) in reactions with people I only see about once a year, and a recent major illness in the family may have been distracting all of us (and the fact we were as upbeat as previous years may actually have been a positive effect). ---
**Author:** ![AKmedic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/akmedic/32/1487_2.png) [@AKmedic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AKmedic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 3:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/22 "2006-12-28T03:18:10Z")
> [@bronzie](#): > > Yes terrys post with regards to kids, thier sexuality, and pheromone use, is quite a delicate subject, and the why he wrote it was quite abstract as too highlight the fact that pheromoes do affect humans, yet they also affect kids, after all kids are human too!!! people forget that they are just little people. And thier physiology is not much different to an adults physiology. Heh…not to be contentious, but from a medical standpoint that isn’t necessarily so. During training and continuing education, it’s driven into our brains (as EMTs/Paramedics) that children are NOT “little adults”. Of course they’re human, but their physiology differs markedly from an adult. It’s actually quite amazing when you get to talk to pediatric specialists! Kids are amazing in what they can recover from physically. However, we are talking about PHEROMONES here in this forum, and from the anecdotal evidence that’s been presented, it appears that sometimes children can respond to pheromones in a manner similar to adults (i.e., sexual arousal). That is _really weird_! I see a fair amount of child abuse in my line of work and it is depressing to think about. ☹ Also, Alaska has the highest rates of domestic violence and child abuse in the nation. ☹ Double-sadface. Anyway, glad to hear that the family gathering went well. I hope to buy some of the [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) for myself when my $15 newbie coupon comes through. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 4:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/23 "2006-12-28T04:12:36Z")
> [@AKmedic](#): > > \… ☹ Also, Alaska has the highest rates of domestic violence and child abuse in the nation. ☹ Double-sadface. > > …\ Wow! Certainly off-topic, so I apologize in advance, but compelling. I thought Texas had the unenviable position of leading US domestic violence and child abuse. Perhaps Texas just has the highest murder and child mortality rates. Ummm… can you suggest a source on Alaska domestic violence and child abuse stats? I believe you, but when I use the fact (and I expect to do so) I want to be able to reload from the source. (No one draws on the Lone Ranger twice! 😃) ---
**Author:** ![AKmedic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/akmedic/32/1487_2.png) [@AKmedic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AKmedic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 5:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/24 "2006-12-28T05:16:30Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > Wow! Certainly off-topic, so I apologize in advance, but compelling. I thought Texas had the unenviable position of leading US domestic violence and child abuse. Perhaps Texas just has the highest murder and child mortality rates. > > Ummm… can you suggest a source on Alaska domestic violence and child abuse stats? I believe you, but when I use the fact (and I expect to do so) I want to be able to reload from the source. (No one draws on the Lone Ranger twice! 😃) Sure! In addition to being a firefighter/medic I’m also on the board of directors for our local domestic violence shelter. For example, Alaska has the highest rate per capita of women killed by domestic partners out of anywhere else in the nation. I’ll talk to our executive director and see if I can get specific names of the reports and studies that are being cited – because there are a LOT of studies that have been done. In the example below, it shows how Alaskans are “pretty sure we’ve got high DV/SA rates” but that Alaska ranks first or in the top five. Here is a great source of information from [ANDVSA, the Alaska Network on Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault](http://www.andvsa.org/facts/facts.htm). Results from the Alaska ANDVSA Public Opinion Research Survey conducted by Hellenthal & Associates, 2006. The survey participants consist of 605 randomly called people distributed across the state. Margin of error is ± 4%. There is also a good site here [DVSA-DRC: Alaska](http://www.jrsa.org/dvsa-drc/alaska/index.shtml) that details some of the mandatory reporting and statistic gathering that is taking place in Alaska. How Informed Are Alaskans About Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault Issues? • 49.3% think Alaska is ranked among the top states for sexual assault rates. **In fact, Alaska has the highest rates of sexual assault (“Table 5: Crime in the United State by State.” FBI Uniform Crime Report, 2005).** • 83.1% think Alaska is ranked at or near the top for rates of domestic violence. **Alaska continuously ranks in the top five states. Alaska had the highest rate of female homicides in 2004 (Violence Policy Center, 2006).** How Does Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault Affect Alaskans? • 74.7% have experienced or know someone who has experienced domestic violence or sexual assault. • 93% said they would intervene if they knew someone experiencing domestic or sexual violence, and 61.6% believe other members of the community would intervene. Sadly, child abuse and neglect are also huge problems in AK. [http://www.indicators.ak.org/indicators/gifs/ChildAbuseReptRate98.gif](http://www.indicators.ak.org/indicators/gifs/ChildAbuseReptRate98.gif) In Alaska, the Office of Childrens Services collects data on reported cases. [Office of Children’s Services, Alaska](http://www.hss.state.ak.us/ocs/Statistics/default.htm) There is also a good informational site here about RID, a program to help eradicate child abuse in AK: [RID Alaska Child Abuse](http://www.ridalaskaofchildabuse.org/) ---
**Author:** ![R0N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/r0n/32/1570_2.png) [@R0N](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/R0N)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/25 "2006-12-28T05:20:30Z")
> [@toilofday](#): > > Has anyone used pheromones to deal with stuffy family gatherings? > > Half of my family meets up for holidays only, and it’s always boring. Everybody sits around and watches TV, nobody talks, and the few that do are in an isolated conversation. > > Any ideas? I am spending the holidays with my family who live in a different part of Canada (Winnipeg) than myself (Montreal), and since I dont see my extended family for years (sometimes even decades!) I use [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) as the base for my mixes when I am visiting. People have commented on how much more mature I look, and I get along better with people who are much older than me (Im 28). I use Instant honesty with closer friends so we can deepen our bonds, and Instant female magic because most of my favorite cousins and friends are women (but I dont have any women friends in Montreal, hmmm…). We seem to get along so much better. But Instant Gentleman is my fave with family. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/26 "2006-12-28T05:20:49Z")
Dammne! Thank you AKmedic. ---
**Author:** ![AKmedic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/akmedic/32/1487_2.png) [@AKmedic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AKmedic)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 5:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/27 "2006-12-28T05:32:43Z")
> [@Rbt](#): > > Well, I wore Instant Shine and Instant Openness (about 3-4 “To Go” sized sprays each) at the family gathering Monday. I can’t say things were much different than usual. Overall things were upbeat, and there was decent conversation, but I can’t say that it was any more than previous year’s gatherings (without pheromone presence). I felt pretty much tha same as I usually did. > > There was about a two hour gap between application and my arrival, but I did sneak in that fourth spray of each after I was there about an hour as a booster. > > Admittedly it may be hard to judge a change (if any) in reactions with people I only see about once a year, and a recent major illness in the family may have been distracting all of us (and the fact we were as upbeat as previous years may actually have been a positive effect). Wow. Is this your first time using pheromones? I’ve never tried them yet, so I’m curious. Have you tried wearing the IS and IO in other situations? The major illness sounds tough to deal with…I’m sorry to hear about that. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 9:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/28 "2006-12-28T09:38:30Z")
I used A314 (one drop) and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2x (one spray) at top of chest / below my neck as my base for visiting my wife and two sons over the Christmas holiday. I sprayed SPACELAND on my ankles, 1 spray each – and sat with my feet on an ottoman out in the middle of the room. 😃 The 40 hours we spent together went well. There were no dramatic behavioral changes to notice, except these: - my younger son (age 12) buried his head in my chest at one point, and just relaxed completely for about an hour - we escaped our history and enjoyed a calm and warm, good natured interaction (myself and wife) without rancor or tension. I suspect that family members will be significantly more resistant to pheromonal messages than the stranger who meets us for the first time. Family have a very strong _expectation_ of identity – in fact, we sometimes need to **ask** our families to let us change some aspect of ourselves, to release some aspect of our identity to alteration. And family gatherings have a strong _set_ - patterns of interaction triggered by the location of the event, the tastes and odors of traditional foods, etc. etc. etc. I suspect those socialized patterns don’t change easily without willed cooperative intent to make and keep the changes. We have fewer degrees of behavioral freedom with family and old friends than we do with strangers – unless the family and friends make a conscious effort to extend that freedom to us. ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 1:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/29 "2006-12-28T13:13:20Z")
> [@R0N](#): > > I am spending the holidays with my family who live in a different part of Canada (Winnipeg) than myself (Montreal), and since I dont see my extended family for years (sometimes even decades!) I use Instant Gentleman as the base for my mixes when I am visiting. People have commented on how much more mature I look, and I get along better with people who are much older than me (Im 28). I use Instant honesty with closer friends so we can deepen our bonds, and Instant female magic because most of my favorite cousins and friends are women (but I dont have any women friends in Montreal, hmmm…). We seem to get along so much better. But Instant Gentleman is my fave with family. I’m glad to hear about [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) working so well for you - seems like not that many guys have reported on it. (love the new avatar!) ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 1:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/30 "2006-12-28T13:14:52Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > I used A314 (one drop) and Instant Shine 2x (one spray) at top of chest / below my neck as my base for visiting my wife and two sons over the Christmas holiday. > > I sprayed SPACELAND on my ankles, 1 spray each – and sat with my feet on an ottoman out in the middle of the room. 😃 > > The 40 hours we spent together went well. There were no dramatic behavioral changes to notice, except these: > > - my younger son (age 12) buried his head in my chest at one point, and just relaxed completely for about an hour > - we escaped our history and enjoyed a calm and warm, good natured interaction (myself and wife) without rancor or tension. > I suspect that family members will be significantly more resistant to pheromonal messages than the stranger who meets us for the first time. Family have a very strong _expectation_ of identity – in fact, we sometimes need to **ask** our families to let us change some aspect of ourselves, to release some aspect of our identity to alteration. > > And family gatherings have a strong _set_ - patterns of interaction triggered by the location of the event, the tastes and odors of traditional foods, etc. etc. etc. I suspect those socialized patterns don’t change easily without willed cooperative intent to make and keep the changes. > > We have fewer degrees of behavioral freedom with family and old friends than we do with strangers – unless the family and friends make a conscious effort to extend that freedom to us. Great post, Mark, very insightful. (and the rep system won’t let me rep you again quite yet …) ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2006, 1:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266/31 "2006-12-29T01:36:01Z")
> [@AKmedic](#): > > Wow. Is this your first time using pheromones? I’ve never tried them yet, so I’m curious. Have you tried wearing the IS and Instant Openness in other situations? The major illness sounds tough to deal with…I’m sorry to hear about that. ☹ Been experimenting with pheromones for almost 2 years. Sometimes I see a response, sometimes I don’t. I think there are two or three main reasons why I saw little reaction at this gathering: 1. they’re family. Many maany years of association. I’ve seen it mentioned that pheromones often work better early on in a freindship/relationship etc. Once people “get used” to you, the effects are less, unless you really try to OD, which I didn’t because of reason #2.. 2. my father (91) is still recovering from a prescription med induced (accident) heart attack. Yes he “died.” Paramedics were at his side when heart stopped so they were able to bring him back, but after-effects are lingering. Now in assisted living. I certainly didn’t want to be the cause of any further reactions… 3. a couple of other family members had really really bad colds. Noses pretty much totally stuffed. Probably did as much “mouth breathing” as nasal breathing, limiting exposure to pheromones. I also suffer from a lack of social interaction. I can go all day and not meet anyone at times (even when walking the 2 miles to the local downtown Post Office in a city of 70,000). I don’t have a heck of a lot of “experiences” from which to judge. I did a test run on a314 a few months back (using it exclusively and in some combinations) and have been checking out the IShine, IOpenness, and the combination of those two recently, in fact I ran out of IShine… just ordered the double strength version so I can continue the testing. I had been (and still do) playing with some non-Androtics products mosly last year. The Shine/Open combo seems to have done well sparking conversations at some of the lunches with friends I’ve done this year. Note that I’m also a “minimalist.” I like to stay with realtively small doses of products. Also because I’m financially strapped so I have to stretch the dollars. Due to my own medical problems I was “unemployed” for almost 10 years and have just recently found a paying part-time job. You can get real creative and very frugal when you have an empty wallet. . [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-family/1266.md?page=1)