# Pheromones as Serotonin enhancer? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 14, 2008, 12:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-as-serotonin-enhancer/12617 "2008-05-14T12:41:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 11
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-as-serotonin-enhancer/12617/11 "2008-05-14T17:45:31Z")
Gee this could thread could have come in handy a couple weeks ago. > [@Instant Shine EXTREME (x8)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-extreme-x8/10924/79): > > The safe zone seems to very different in one particular individual. She experienced a negative comedown with 2 sprays of IS 2x. I’ll elaborate. Here’s a copy of the PMs I sent Andrew. I wasn’t sure if he wanted to discuss something like this privately or publicly so I asked him first. He perfers making this public so here it is: Any other ideas? She’s tried two sprays of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). She felt that it was more effective. She felt calm and ‘normal’ not ‘high’ like she was with 2 sprays o… > [@Instant Shine EXTREME (x8)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-extreme-x8/10924/78): > > > [@Instant Shine EXTREME (x8)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-shine-extreme-x8/10924/78): > > > > That I don’t have the answer to. But 4 sprays of IShine is still in the safe zone. I jumped from 4 IShine to 8 TAA. > > The safe zone seems to very different in one particular individual. She experienced a negative comedown with 2 sprays of IShine 2x. I’ll elaborate. > > Here’s a copy of the PMs I sent Andrew. I wasn’t sure if he wanted to discuss something like this privately or publicly so I asked him first. He perfers making this public so here it is: > > > [@Phya](#): > > > > Hey Andrew, I didn’t want to post this on the thread or your journal because I didn’t know if you wanted such a discussion available for public viewing. > > > > I was wondering if we could discuss your experiences with ISE with regards to your depression. My dad’s gf is bi-polar (apparently, news to me) and she tried one and a half sprays of IShine 2x. She said she felt much lighter on her feet and happy, so the IShine did its job, but on her way home, she reported being very depressed. She almost cried once, then the second wave came and she cracked. > > > > However, when she came home, even though her younger brother was sitting playing games (she dislikes it because she wants him to be more productive, he’s like 35 or something), she wasn’t upset about it, and was much more chill about the fact. In fact, she said she treated him much nicer than she ordinarily would in that situation. > > > > I hypothesized that perhaps because of her ‘disorder’ the depression occured. I had three theories. > > > > The first was that usage of the IShine depleted her serotonin levels thus leading to depressive episodes. The second was that the IShine raised her relative baseline so that when the pheromones dispersed, leaving her with no more (or significantly less) pheromones her serotonin level returned to normal but because of the higher relative baseline, she felt depressed. > > > > The third was that because there was potential evidence for her interacting ‘nicely’ with her brother, the pheromone must not have dispersed completely. Thus, perhaps it wasn’t a drop in pheromones or serotonin, but rather that the experience of IShine triggered some sort of associations which snowballed into triggering a much more sensitive memory. (She has struggled through many hardships during her life.) I thought this because I asked her what she was thinking about during her depressive episode and she replied that it was too ‘heavy’ for her to discuss at this point in time. My guess would be that it has to do with ‘finding family’. > > > > Now that I’m thinking about it, it’s possible that her interaction with her brother was actually a result of her experiencing the depressive episode. After crying, even seeing a familiar face can brighten up your day. > > > > In any case, I hope you can share some thoughts on this matter. I sprayed her around 12, the depressive episode was around 5-6 and the interaction with her brother around 6-8. > > > > I hope your ISE experiences are only fun and positive! > > > [@z414a4d](#): > > > > I have noticed some negative effects as well with ISE. I have been spraying around 11am. And i get a massive comedown around 4-6. During this time if i dont findmyself rejuvenating the spray with regular or 2x i get very irritable. I think the latter of your theories is what i would agree with most. It seems the most logical. We just gotta remember, Pheros do fuck with our chemical levels (seratonin and dopamine), although temperary - in cases where bi-polorism is a factor, i would definatly take it slow..Feel free to make this into a post or reply on ISE post. I dont mind speaking of this publicly, and would prefer it actually, specially since it would help others and research. > > Any other ideas? She’s tried two sprays of Instant Openness. She felt that it was more effective. She felt calm and ‘normal’ not ‘high’ like she was with 2 sprays of IShine 2x. I asked her if she’s willing to try it again and she is. I’m going to keep it at one spray of regular IShine and I’ll let you all know how that goes. --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-as-serotonin-enhancer/12617)._