# Pheromones at the gym: how do I get the guys to take me seriously? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 2, 2007, 12:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422 "2007-07-02T00:26:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![big\_filo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/big_filo/32/1137_2.png) [@big\_filo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/big_filo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 12:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/1 "2007-07-02T00:26:08Z")
hi ppl… im new to this forum and new to the whole concept of [synthetic pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), so i hope to gain much knowledge from you guys!! i know from some searching through your threads that pheromones aren’t the be all & end all of female attraction (and other interpersonal behaviour… respect, etc), but can significantly contribute to the whole process. im wondering how i can use this seemingly priceless stuff in the gym. you see, im not the biggest guy in the gym, but im no way near the smallest (im 5’11" @ 230lbs). im real good buddies with ALL the guys at the gym, but the never take me seriously… like im the “class clown” except its in the gym. i was wondering what would help me “earn” some respect from these guys without pissing them off unintentionally. also, i seem to be “invisible” to the female population at the gym. honestly, i usually drop my balls when it comes to the ladies. so i was wondering what i could use to boost my confidence with women and help me get noticed. so if anyone was not bothered to read all of that, i want some phero’s that can: 1. get respect from my gym “brotherhood”. 2. get the girls to notice me, if not ignite something. 3. help me boost my confindence around females. i hope to get some great advice from you guys! P.S: i’m wondering if i can mix’n’match some phero’s to get all of these effects at the same time. also, since i live in australia, and from experience from trying to buy bodybuilding supps from the US, would they get through customs in my country or are they illegal? coz that would really suck if they are… ---
**Author:** ![rollercoaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rollercoaster/32/2361_2.png) [@rollercoaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rollercoaster)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 12:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/2 "2007-07-02T00:38:07Z")
well, to start of, A314 is the “respect” [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/). i havnt tried it, but i can only remember hearing good things about it. Ammo would probably do the get girls to notice you part. im uncertan as to what could help with #3, but possibly instant shine. i remember seing a post about people having trouble getting things sent to a few countries, i think australia was one of them, i dont know if it was ever sorted out though. ---
**Author:** ![big\_filo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/big_filo/32/1137_2.png) [@big\_filo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/big_filo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 12:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/3 "2007-07-02T00:52:41Z")
how much of each should i use coz i dont wanna OD? ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/4 "2007-07-02T02:26:14Z")
If your buddies (or you) are taking anabolic steroids or other chemicals that alter hormone balances I suspect that may change the natural -none production, and possibly the reactions to -none and other [pheromones](https://a314.com/). The experiences of the general population may not generalise well to that specialised subpopulation. If that is the case your experiences with pheromones would provide interesting and valuable data. If you (and your buddies) are not messing with your body’s hormones then the results on the forum should generalise to your situation much more readily. ---
**Author:** ![big\_filo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/big_filo/32/1137_2.png) [@big\_filo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/big_filo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 3:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/5 "2007-07-02T03:12:42Z")
personally… i am drug free (thought about it though, every serious lifter has kicked around the idea at least once), but a couple of my gym buddies are on, lets not say, anabolic steroids (muscle building), but androgenic steroids (muscle hardening/ripping). it would be interesting how they react to the phero’s i would be using. i am considering making the following order (btw, they are all to-go bottles coz im a little strapped for cash atm): 2 x Instant Shine (normal strength) 1 x Turn Up The Heat (2.5mcg/spray) 1 x [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) (normal strength) 2 x Ammo 2 x Instant jerk 1 x p74 (5mcg/spray) the p74, heat, and honesty is for tweaking purposes. the jerk is purely for mucking around with (the bottles im buying 2 of, 1 of them is for my friend). what do you guy think about this order? also, where should i apply the phero’s on myself? and what combos do you guys recommend? ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 12:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/6 "2007-07-02T12:33:13Z")
You are unusual in that you are in a -none laden environment and can probably use more than most people for your goals. It sounds as if you’ve thought about the products and made some good choices. I’d probably leave off the ammo at the gym, because it has a heavy cologne smell. The others are lightly scented but you still might get a bit of ribbing about your “cologne.” Idealy I’d recommend unscented for your environment, but those aren’t available in the little to-go bottles. Yes, you can mix and match. I suggest starting with [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) at one spray and observing the results. Next day use 2 sprays. At 15 mcg/spray of -none, I think you’ll hit what you’re looking for at either 1 or 2 sprays. You can use tuth to fine tune the -none dosages. Then you can start adding in the other products, one at a time. They will give you some distinct flavors to the -none base. What works in the gym may be intimidating to regular people on the outside, so be careful. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2007, 1:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/7 "2007-07-02T13:42:58Z")
This has been discussed at some length in both this forum and another with a lot of people who have a great deal of experience in this arena. The bottom line recommendations are: A314 is the way to go. It gives you respect from other guys - depending on the environment and your past dealings there - and possibly marks you as high-value to women - again depending on you and environment. Guys may defer to you at the machines, etc.. If women notice other guys defering to you while you are always friendly and polite - kaching! Avoid 'None products: ie TUTH and [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). The 'none content will bring out aggressive behavior in the Alpha Males - which the gym probably has quite a few of. You probably don’t want to be constantly challenged (ever so politely usually) over benches, weights, how much weight you are moving. A little MAY be a good thing to mark you as an Alpha BUT it will be too easy to OD and get negative reactions in that situation. Plus you will stink to high heaven by the end of the work-out. Not helpful for starting up a conversation with a female you notice and in turn notices you. And GWTW’s comment about not smelling like cologne in the gym is right on. Nothing says “Here to meet the other sex and I really don’t know much about a gym or gym ettiquette” like a heavy cologne smell. The warning against using 'none is doubled if martial arts is part of your workout. The Alphas will double their efforts to kick your butt. Even if you are the intructor. Something new to try: TAF and P79. It may help focus your workout and give you a “git’er done” attitude. I may have to try that myself. ---
**Author:** ![big\_filo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/big_filo/32/1137_2.png) [@big\_filo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/big_filo)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/8 "2007-07-03T02:39:58Z")
so u guys are saying that i should stay away from 'none during workouts coz of the possibility of getting undesired effects from it… is that correct? i was looking at the A314 product but i couldn’t find it in the to-go form (remember that im a little short of cash atm). and bosshank, martial arts is not a part of my workout although im considering taking up XMA (trick fighting) for something different and also to replace my boring cardio sessions. i do not know about the gym culture over there in the US, but over here, in my gym for that matter, people usually go through half a can of lynx (axe for u guys) deodorant during a workout. do you think it it possible to mask the ammo with deodorant, or just go without it. i looked at the TAF and p79, but i dont think i really need it because i have absolutely no trouble focusing during my workouts. i might use it when i start getting ready for competition (bodybuilding) next year though… ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 3:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/9 "2007-07-03T03:04:05Z")
> [@big\_filo](#): > > so u guys are saying that i should stay away from 'none during workouts coz of the possibility of getting undesired effects from it… is that correct? … Actually I wasn’t saying that at all. I was recommending -none. But Bosshank brought up a very valid point, that if you load up on -none you had better be prepared to defend the signal you are putting out, because you will probably be challenged in the gym environment. As Bosshank says, a -rone mixture like a314 will help to mitigate the challenges. The approach he mentioned is very valid. > [@big\_filo](#): > > i was looking at the A314 product but i couldn’t find it in the to-go form (remember that im a little short of cash atm)… Try mx102. That’s a314 in an alcohol carrier instead of oil like the regular a314. You can get it in to-go bottles. ---
**Author:** ![big\_filo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/big_filo/32/1137_2.png) [@big\_filo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/big_filo)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/10 "2007-07-03T03:16:09Z")
personally i really do not mind facing competition in the gym, as i am very competetive myself, as long as it doesn’t involve a punch-up. i just want to be taken seriously in the gym. not just being percieved as the house comedian. although it is good at times, it kinda puts you off when you are telling your buddies something serious (like the fact that i want to compete next year) to find out that they think you’re pulling their leg. does the alcohol carrier in the mx102 make a difference in the effect it has? and if i do end up buying it, what product/s should i sacrifice? ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 3:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/11 "2007-07-03T03:28:22Z")
The products in an alcohol carrier will in general diffuse faster and they will not last as long on your skin as the oil-based ones. They should be fine for use at the gym. A lot of guys put the oil-based product on before going to work and it lasts pretty much all day. If you’re trying to kill the clown effect but not necessarrily establish dominance I think the mx102 is a very good choice. Responses of females will vary, but some respond very well to a314. It will also set you apart from many of the guys at the gym. If you want some ideas for things to drop if you go with the mx102 you could lose the ammo, ij, and the p74. Keep the tuth as you can still use it to add in precise amounts of none. IS and IH will still be valuable flavors for you too. If the guys at your gym already put on scents then none of these products should cause problems. I must be hanging out at low-class joints! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![big\_filo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/big_filo/32/1137_2.png) [@big\_filo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/big_filo)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 3:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/12 "2007-07-03T03:38:42Z")
the gym i go to is one of those big commercial gyms, think planet fitness or fitness first. personally i’d rather go to a “hardcore s#\*!hole” where the only people that go there are those who want to train, nothing else. i was looking at the mx102 and it said on the product description “The mixes will be shipped as a SET ONLY.” (direct quote from site). does that mean that i have to buy all of the mixes? ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/13 "2007-07-03T19:16:18Z")
I just bought a regular sized bottles of mx102 and 105, without the others. My order went through just fine and I got my products. I think there’s some outdated text on the website. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2007, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-at-the-gym-how-do-i-get-the-guys-to-take-me-seriously/4422/14 "2007-07-03T20:22:18Z")
I think A314 or MX 102 is the best bet. Maybe the A314 as it is oil-based and might stick around better during a heavy sweat than the alcohol based MX 102. If guys in your gym environment go heavy with the Axe thing, then maybe get the Ammo for a quick spritz when you finish if you are going to make conversation with any females you made contact with during your work-out.