# Pheromones don’t affect me **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 13, 2007, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559 "2007-01-13T19:49:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dave7352](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dave7352/32/2365_2.png) [@dave7352](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dave7352)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/1 "2007-01-13T19:49:37Z")
I’m not new to [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), but I am new to the variety of pheromones. I can see very well how pheromones affect others around me, but can not get the dam things to affect me ☹. I have only once seen pheromones affect me and I was really drunk at the time, I was wearing instant shine, instant honesty and instant openness, the effects were from instant openness and may be a little honesty. Does any one have any ideas how I can make pheromones affect me more or how I can wake up my vomeronasal organ? Also I noticed that one person was using pheromones to enhance mediation, I am very much in to meditation my self. Does any one have any suggestions on what I could use? ---
**Author:** ![24isnotM24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/c57346/32.png) [@24isnotM24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/24isnotM24)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 8:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/2 "2007-01-13T20:00:38Z")
I am a newb to this and i have not ordered yet due to me not recieving the GC yet BUT from what i have read i think it depends where you apply the pheromones. From what ive learned , there is a part of your nose called the VNO which picks up pheromones. So perhaps if you where the pheromones near your neck or anywhere closer to the nasal region you might get the effect to go on you more. 24isnotM24 ---
**Author:** ![dave7352](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dave7352/32/2365_2.png) [@dave7352](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dave7352)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 8:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/3 "2007-01-13T20:07:01Z")
Hey 24isnotM24 Trust me I’ve tried that, I’ve gone to the extent of simmering the spray up my nostrils (LOL) but still nothing. VNO = vomeronasal organ Thanks for the reply 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/4 "2007-01-13T20:59:00Z")
How much are you wearing? Not everyone is sensitive to the effects of the pheromones themselves…there are times also when I don’t really notice myself being influenced by the pheromones. I can recall some events, that when looked at in retrospect, I might have been more influenced by the pheromones than I might have realized at the time. You’ll also grow more accustomed to the effects they have on you over time. Typically those who use pheromones for meditation will use extremely high doses. Well over and OD range for everyday use. edit: Another thought: pheromones are highly context sensitive. The effects are brought out when in the presence of social stimuli that enhance the effects. ie I’ve played with copulins quite a bit, and while they’re **directly** linked to sexually arousing males (unlike androstenone), I haven’t seen any evidence of them turning me on unless women that I’m attracted to are present. If the pheromones effects are out of context, how you’re behaving and feeling, you could very easily be subverting them unconsciously. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 9:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/5 "2007-01-13T21:43:21Z")
> [@](#): > > I can recall some events, that when looked at in retrospect, I might have been more influenced by the pheromones than I might have realized at the time. You’ll also grow more accustomed to the effects they have on you over time. you took the words outa my mouth, sigma. many times i looked for a club-over-the-head wow effect, only to think maybe it didnt work on me…and like sigma in retrospect i think wow, normally i am not that _fill-in-the-blank_ not everyone feels spanked by them, but it will creep up on you and i do notice it doesnt feel obvious when i have just eaten heavily, or i am in a smokey room since i dont smoke. smoking affects the efficacy as well. using pheromones for a month or so will enhance the ability to see results i think. ---
**Author:** ![dave7352](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dave7352/32/2365_2.png) [@dave7352](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dave7352)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/6 "2007-01-13T21:49:59Z")
Ye I can see what you mean about looking back on events and also that your mind needs the right surroundings for the pheromones to work effectively, I will definitely take this in to consideration. So you think for meditation purposes I should really odd on the stuff, is that right? Thanks sigma Ps. Its funny I work for a company called sigma lol ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2007, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/7 "2007-01-13T22:31:43Z")
> [@dave7352](#): > > Ye I can see what you mean about looking back on events and also that your mind needs the right surroundings for the pheromones to work effectively, I will definitely take this in to consideration. So you think for meditation purposes I should really odd on the stuff, is that right? > Thanks sigma > Ps. Its funny I work for a company called sigma lol I haven’t used pheromones to meditate so I’m really going off what other people have told me…but there are pheromones that can have an almost narcotic-like effect at high doses. TAF, and beta androstenol seem to have this kind of effect on me at high doses. They’re manageable at moderate amounts, but at high doses it can have a very ‘spacey’ effect. I feel downright weird if I wear too much TAF. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2007, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/8 "2007-01-14T01:03:11Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > you took the words outa my mouth, sigma. > many times i looked for a club-over-the-head wow effect, only to think maybe it didnt work on me…and like sigma in retrospect i think wow, normally i am not that _fill-in-the-blank_ > not everyone feels spanked by them, but it will creep up on you and i do notice it doesnt feel obvious when i have just eaten heavily, or i am in a smokey room since i dont smoke. smoking affects the efficacy as well. > using pheromones for a month or so will enhance the ability to see results i think. observing pheromones in retrospect is really the best way to go. I think that wearing pheromones and constantly monitoring their effects and letting your behavior be dictated by your expectations while wearing them, can drastically influence how well the pheromones work. The key is to be yourself as you normally would be, and note the difference in how you and the other people around you behaved in retrospect. Wearing pheromones and feeling disappointed and frustrated because you don’t see the results you were expecting, can be the very reason why the pheromones aren’t working altogether. Don’t be too into observing effects, and over-reading people’s behavior..this can be more of a hinderance than anything ---
**Author:** ![R0N](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/r0n/32/1570_2.png) [@R0N](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/R0N)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/9 "2007-01-14T02:26:54Z")
> [@dave7352](#): > > Ye I can see what you mean about looking back on events and also that your mind needs the right surroundings for the pheromones to work effectively, I will definitely take this in to consideration. So you think for meditation purposes I should really odd on the stuff, is that right? > Thanks sigma > Ps. Its funny I work for a company called sigma lol I use instant Honesty for meditation, and I just use a spray of double strength. I have been meditation for a long time now (20 years), so I am easily able to go into a meditative state using a post-hypnotic trigger. The pheros allow me to focus on the sense of smell, and I use them instead of incense. I do not rely on the pheromones put me in a meditative state, but they help me focus on the goal of why I sprayed IH in the first place (as the mind tends to wander around to much without sensory sign posts). IH helps me dig deeper into myself for answers. It does this better than plain incense. (I think I posted this info in another post, perhaps a forum search on meditation will be productive.) ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2007, 1:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/10 "2007-01-14T13:38:00Z")
There’s a little thing the scientific community has to better design social experiments around, and that something is called _The Heisenberg Theory._ Take a look at this post to get a feel for what I’m talking about: > [@"Beer dudes", "fat tires", plant estrogens and friendly guys](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/beer-dudes-fat-tires-plant-estrogens-and-friendly-guys/21/12): > > Scientists also deal with the Heisenberg theorem, although you have a be a pretty bright scientist to do so properly. Most scientists aren’t good at conceptual and metalevel thinking, physicists exempted. Most non-physicists tend to think too small to make big strides. Many tend to design very poor experiments that don’t translate well to the real world. Fact is, if you’re being passive with a pheromone mix, and you’re a man, you’re not doing a scientific experiment whatsoever. You’ve introduc… If you’re thinking pheromones dont work on you, you’re looking/focusing way too hard, and probably generating some weird, non-natural behavior to prevent you from experiencing the real effect. Sigma made a very appropro point up there about pheros being context sensitive. A great strategy to employ, (and this is something I say to both newbies and pros alike) is to “Set it and forget it!”. Spritz your mix for the day, _completely and utterly forget_ that you did it, and then tally up your feelings and hits at the end of the day. It helps NOT to overthink. Throw the fact that you’re 'moning straight out of your consciousness. ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/11 "2007-01-14T15:46:06Z")
True. Phero’s are like ‘spice my day/night a bit’, not a ‘make my day’. They are a fun additive, not the fun itself. The wrapping not the package. ---
**Author:** ![Pharcyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b2d939/32.png) [@Pharcyde](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pharcyde)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 5:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-don-t-affect-me/1559/12 "2007-01-17T05:58:12Z")
also, from what ive gathered, if your using too much it may have the same effect as not enough. if your brain detects an over abundance it will compensate either by producing less naturally or disregarding the info coming from your VNO, recognizing that it is most likely mistaken and throwing the info out. ever been in a car and felt sick? thats because your eyes are telling your brain that your moving, but your muscles are saying your not. your brain recognizes the conflicting sences and thinks youve been poisoned forcing you to throw up. too many pheromones may have a less extreme effect. you may not feel sick, but your brain may be recognizing somethings not right and react to counter it. but then, you may also have an evolved/less functional vno.