# Pheromones enhance what's already there, they don't change it: a reality check **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [February 29, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326 "2008-02-29T16:46:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/21 "2008-03-03T03:17:13Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I am trying to talk steveO into having B in a to-go bottle or coming out with a kit with both A and B in it. He said right now they are behind on new projects but as soon as those are cleared up he will consider it. I think Androtics needs to hire some more lab rats! ---
**Author:** ![Baller21](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/baller21/32/1988_2.png) [@Baller21](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Baller21)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/22 "2008-03-03T23:10:25Z")
Absolutly true, pheromones are not the magic bullet to success with women, success, ect. “the game is all that matters”- one of the most influencial thing that a man has ever said to me. The only way to have success in these areas, is to be able to play the game. ---
**Author:** ![wewa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wewa/32/259_2.png) [@wewa](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/wewa)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 1:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/23 "2008-03-06T13:42:09Z")
I love this Tisha, you always give me very very good information . ---
**Author:** ![bubblyblonde](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblyblonde/32/491_2.png) [@bubblyblonde](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblyblonde)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2008, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/24 "2008-03-07T15:09:29Z")
Great post, Tisha! Thank you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![beansmike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beansmike](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/beansmike)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/25 "2008-04-18T20:16:15Z")
wow thnx for the preaching ( i mean that in a nice way ) i have recentyly purchesed pherlure with high expectations and great dissapointment, maybe i will look at my own tactics from now on. thnx ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/26 "2008-04-18T20:50:44Z")
**Excellent thread Tisha!** * * * This should be required reading for new buyers in the store. Maybe the Money Back Guarantee could somehow be tied to this thread, or a link to this thread with a checkbox next to it that reads “I have read and understand what I can expect from the use of pheromones” ---
**Author:** ![zyron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zyron/32/1842_2.png) [@zyron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zyron)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2008, 7:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/27 "2008-04-19T07:53:00Z")
wow, thanks Tisha for this advice. It makes perfect sense. 🙂 you are the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) goddess. 🙂 -z ---
**Author:** ![Lizziet6](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lizziet6/32/1787_2.png) [@Lizziet6](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lizziet6)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/28 "2008-04-29T23:51:17Z")
Thx Tisha, I read your post, informative for sure ! Lizzie ---
**Author:** ![elpcmdlw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/91b2a8/32.png) [@elpcmdlw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/elpcmdlw)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 4:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/29 "2008-04-30T16:30:11Z")
Hello ladies.I would like to share some of my own studies and observations,if I may. My special interest is “post menopausal” women, since I am one of them.I have found out that the first thing “we” must do is get a product with high amount of copulins. Yes, before we can add any other pheros it is most important to put back what menopause took from us. Then slowly we can add “feel good” pheros or any others. I am currently studiing the effects of different products on older women for the “Science of AttractioN” is very interesting and new. As our society ages there will be much more demand for these kind of products and I sure hope that “Smartmones” will be among the best. How about the products that have (a lot) any copulins in them? What about MX135? What do you say, ladies? Any comments? Thank you, Dolores ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 12:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/30 "2008-05-01T00:33:26Z")
Hi Yes I agree with you that as we age we need more copulins and its great that we can buy products that have them. MX135 only has trace amounts of copulins but when it becomes a consumer product you can add custom additions from the front page of the smartmones sites. They have a option for 5X the cops and 20X the cops there. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![lifeissweet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/97f17d/32.png) [@lifeissweet](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lifeissweet)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 8:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/31 "2008-05-01T08:44:22Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Alot of people come in to the forum and read all the wonderful stories about peoples experiences with pheromone products. New people end up trying them out with high expectations and usually as they get to know the product those expectations are met to some extent and sometimes not because there expectations were to high > > . But I think its best for people to have a realistic view on what exactly they can and can not do. I get alot of PM’s from people asking me why "_they couldnt get there cheating husband to respond to pheromones"_ or why _“the girl picked my best friend over me even though I have the pheromones on”._ > > The anwser is simple, pheromones dont change anything, they enhance whats already there. They make socialization easier. If there is attraction they can enhance that. If there is interest it can push that to attraction ect ect. > > Now dont get me wrong, I love each and every PM I get and I try to anwser everyone the best I can. But I always feel bad when people expect so much more then is possible with just pheromones. It also ticks me off a little when those high expectations cause them to give up on pheromones because they are missing out on what they can really do for them which is alot. > > So, this is what… > > If your in a good relationship, pheromones **can** enhance that. They can arouse and bring about more intimacy. They can help to open up communications and add some excitement and fun. Yes they can even make sex more frequant and hot. > > If your in a bad relationship that is riddled with other serious problems or obsticals pheromones may arouse or comfort but they **cant** change that problem or the other persons feelings. Keep in mind, you may be able to arouse that person with pheromones but there was attraction there to begin with or they wouldnt have been with you. Arousal will not change a persons mind even if they act on that arousal. > > … > > When out wearing pheromones in public, you will get reactions that range from subtle to the occasional strong hit. You will get more attention. But girls wont lose all inhibitions and begin stalking you or groping your leg. Men wont slay dragons or leave there spouse to claim you. The pheromones will just add ease ,comfort, interest and arousal. Along with this you need to take into consideration the other things that cause attaction. Visualization, compatibility, availability ect. > > pheromones **can** make you more attractive but they **cant** change a persons tastes, Suppose a person prefers blond hair or tall people, pheromones wont change their preference and if that preference is strong enough they may ignore the feelings the pheromones cause them to feel. If the preference isnt that strong it can give you a edge and a opportunity to win them over despite the preference. > > They **can** make you open up and talk but they **cant** make you compatible. > If you have nothing to talk about or nothing in comman all the Instant Openness or Instant Honesty in the world wont change that. **Can** pheromones make a shy person talk more??? **Yes** if the shy person has something to say to you and a desire to speak to you. > > They **can** arouse the hot girl/guy across the room but if they are together it **cant** make one of them available. People have morals (at least some do LOL) you may walk into the room looking hot as hell and smelling like a sex god/goddess but if someone has feelings for another person they wont act on that vibe your sending. > > **So what can they do for you???** They can attract, arouse, calm, uplift, cause comfort, cause interest, enhance and generally just make socialization a whole lot easier. They are one small part of attraction but they wont do all the work for you. > > I often get the question of why didnt my pheromones work ??? Then I find out where they wore them to 😛 > > _Why didnt my Turn Up The Heat or Copulin mix work in church ?_ Because people have self control. They are not going to hit on you sexually in church with the old ladies and priest looking on no matter how hot you look. > > _WHY dosnt my Instant Openness work in school ???_ > Because talking in class is not smiled upon > > _I used my copulin or Androstenone mix at work with no response_ > Work is not the place to be arousing people. There are sexual harrasment laws at least here in the USA. People are careful including women of how they act at work or who they become involved with. They will mask there feelings strongly in this enviroment. Granted my work is a bit different but it was that way before any of us used pheromones. > > I _wore Instant Shine to a funeral and no one seemed to feel better._ > WTF do you expect, LOL > > _I wore ammo and Instant Shine and my brothers GF was nicer but she still hates me._ > pheromones cant change everyones feelings for you. Sure they can help her to be nicer prehaps but they cant make her like you. > > Enviroment makes a huge difference, We are humans and have been conditioned to react and act in a certain way in certain enviroments. > > **Being congruant and making the effort.** > > This is also important. Suppose you wear Instant Openness but you sit in the corner not looking very approuchable. Or you have on AMMO and somone keeps making eye contact but you dont smile or make any eye contact back. Your sending out mixed messages. On one hand people are getting a vibe that you are friendly and approuchable. But your body language is sending another signal. > > When you see subtle cues from others , this is the time to make your move. The pheromones will give you a edge but they will not do it all for you. pheromones help to give you more of a opportunity a openning but you need to make the effort. If your wearing Instant sexiness or ammo and someone makes eye contact with you smile. Appear approuchable. If your wearing Instant Openness and someone says something mundane reply. Mones may effect people but it cant make them good at approuching you. They usually are just looking for a openning to speak to you. > > I wear pheromones just about everyday. I dont get hit on everyday. Every single time I wear copulins my husband dosnt respond. Sometimes he is tired or busy. > > I am exposed to other people who wear pheromones frequantly. I do feel reactions but I dont forget who I am, what I like and what I believe in. > > Think of your pheromones as just one more tool in your arsenal for self improvement. Like your hair gel, makeup, your push up bra and bowflex. Use them to enhance who you already are. Dont just spray the on a sit and wait for your world to change > > I believe that every person (especially in this forum) has something wonderful and special about them. I believe pheromones are a fantastic tool to help us unleash all those inner qualities and help others take notice of them. > > Keep these things in mind when you use pheromones and especially when your new and getting ready to buy them for the first time. > > Dont wait for your pheromones to work, Learn to work your pheromones 😃 > > OK, Lecture over class dismissed LOL . > > Tisha Thanks alot for this post tisha, it is very valueable to newbies. Tons of reps to you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![changopango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71c47a/32.png) [@changopango](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/changopango)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/32 "2008-06-01T19:44:14Z")
haha i love the part with the funeral. WTF did you expect? haha classic. ---
**Author:** ![LaurieNY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bbce88/32.png) [@LaurieNY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaurieNY)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/33 "2008-06-04T02:48:16Z")
Let me just quickly add that this doesn’t mean that you _shouldn’t_ wear Shine to a funeral, because it could make things a little easier for someone even if you can’t see it–which you likely won’t because it would be socially inappropriate for them to show it. So, you might succeed in lifting someone’s depression at least slightly, so it might be worth it to do it, but it is highly unlikely that you will see any evidence at all that you did. Like Tish says, pheros are subtle–people aren’t going to be breaking into a softshoe routine even if you wear pheros to a party, let alone a funeral. ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2008, 3:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/34 "2008-06-04T03:19:42Z")
> [@What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-and-cant-do-realistic-expectations-for-newcomers/9558/33): > > Like Tish says, pheros are subtle–people aren’t going to be breaking into a softshoe routine even if you wear pheros to a party, let alone a funeral. God, I needed the laugh you just gave me! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kimmie\_D](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kimmie_d/32/1185_2.png) [@Kimmie\_D](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kimmie_D)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/35 "2008-06-10T01:31:46Z")
That was really powerfully and well written. especially the part about feelings reactions but not forgetting who you are, what u like, & what u believe in. I think ( & hope ) I have a realistic expectation & we will see. I mean, sometimes when you just think something good is going to happen and have a positive outlook it does so, I guess that would be a mental component compared to this physical one of pheromones. I am just so excited, I think I am going to have such a good experience & interactions because I am already primed for it!🆒 ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2008, 4:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/36 "2008-06-11T04:15:20Z")
tish, you’re right about is/openness for class (I wanted to be stupid and try it out anyways) and it was certainly not what I wanted lol! ---
**Author:** ![KingKhan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kingkhan/32/1073_2.png) [@KingKhan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KingKhan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 8:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/37 "2008-06-25T08:22:16Z")
Tisha’s posts are GOSPEL. ---
**Author:** ![elpcmdlw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/91b2a8/32.png) [@elpcmdlw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/elpcmdlw)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 4:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/38 "2008-06-25T16:37:15Z")
I would like to know how do I get consistent results with the same products on the same target (man)?🆒 ---
**Author:** ![elpcmdlw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/91b2a8/32.png) [@elpcmdlw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/elpcmdlw)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/39 "2008-06-25T16:40:02Z")
Also, what makes the same product work “fantastic” one time and then the next time “no response”? What makes “optimized” pheros different and are they better?😕 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326/40 "2008-06-25T20:29:42Z")
> [@What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-and-cant-do-realistic-expectations-for-newcomers/9558/39): > > Also, what makes the same product work “fantastic” one time and then the next time “no response”? > What makes “optimized” pheros different and are they better?😕 Optimized means the lowest effective concentration of pheromones possible. It also means “weak” The problem with optimized products is that everybody needs a different dose to see results so you can end up having to use half the bottle to see anything. The products here are dosed not optimized. Which mean you know how much your getting per spray and can easily gage how much you need of any given pheromone to see a reaction. Human nature makes pheromone work one day and not the next. Mones enhance and infuence but there are just days when prehaps stress levels are up or people are tired and reacting to outside sources in there environment its just not possible. They are two consumed by what is in there conscious mind to relax and let the unconscious mind react. Tisha Th [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-enhance-whats-already-there-they-dont-change-it-a-reality-check/27326.md?page=3)