# Pheromones for Pickup: Attraction, Comfort, Seduction **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 3, 2006, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832 "2006-11-03T17:40:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2008, 7:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/61 "2008-03-18T07:03:02Z")
> [@](#): > > what do you think of this seduction mix > AMMUNITION normal strength > Alpha Androstenol 10mcg > P79 2.5mcg > TAL 2.5mcg > TAH 2.5mcg > > a spray of each and 2 of ammo ? As Renny suggested you will have to try that mix to see the results but for a man I would not say its a seduction mix. TAL and TAH while they can be used by men tend to be more feminine in nature. I would replace them with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and TAF for a seduction mix. Be sure you have reported enough on the consumer products so that you qualify for the advanced. This rule is being enforced more now. Puma, Its ok alot of people have gotten taken in by Pherlure and there advertising ploys. Androtics has alot of different consumer products. They offer to-go sizes so you can try them out before spending a ton of money. Read up in the forum and get familar with the products. If you have any questions about them let us know. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![alpha\_wolf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha_wolf/32/1800_2.png) [@alpha\_wolf](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha_wolf)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/62 "2008-03-24T03:33:22Z")
Sounds so complicated! Good analysis though. I use Instant Shine for opening when I have been out of the field for some time. I use [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) for day2 dates. Overall, pheromones help, but Game is 90% of it. -AW > [@Gem](#): > > I don’t know pheromones but I do know game - here is my input, take it or leave it. > > It is important to understand the differences within the different sections of the Mystery method model: > > Attraction is A 1 (the opener), A2 (female to male attraction), A3 (Male to female attraction) > > Comfort - Can all be lumped together but is essentially building deeper raport and connection. > > # Seduction, is split into thre but only two are relevent - Getting her horny, and LMR (last minute resistance) > > A 1 - Instant openess, instant female magic or instant shine - baiscally all you are trying to do at this point is get the girl(s) to speak to you you so anything that relaxes her, opens her up or makes her feel good near you will work > > A2 - female to male attraction, I am not going to go into what builds attraction, but I will just say, you don’t want anything that makes her feel comfortable or connected to you (the secret is to make her feel you are better than her or unobtainable) so I suggest Turn Up The Heat or Instant jerk, or maybe even A314 if congruent with your personality. > > A3 - male to female attraction, at this point you want to show her she has won you over (not sexually) baisically this is where you first show attraction by complimenting her you want her to link compliments from you with feeling good so my pheromone of choice would be instant shine or female magic. > > Comfort - deeper raport, deep conversations, connection, shared experiences - Instant openess, Instant shine, Instant honesty… > > Seduction > > S1 - getting her hot, time to Turn Up The Heat (again), instant jerk, (basically sex pheromones > > S3 - LMR - This is when she wonders if she is doing the right thing (after all she only just met you) You DO NOT want to be winning her over by palying how horny she is feeling off against her will power (that is IMO immoral and inneffective) You want to reassure her - so once again you want some reassuring, feel good products (shine, Honesty, openess) > > Now, that is a fantasy situation - in reality you cannot change and remove pheromones that quickly for example the whole attraction phase can be run within the space of 20 seconds (trust me i have done it) So I suggest you identify your own sticking points within that framework and select the right pheromones from there. For instance my sticking point is A3 - I have no problem opening, I can build attraction easily - too easily that leads to the problem that girls think I am being insincere or playing with them once i begin to take an interest in them - so I would stick to Shine or openess to assist me and not use any sexual pheromones. > > Me personally - I will stay away from any sexual pheromones beyond our first meeting. It jsut seems a bit too much like pressuring someone into doing something they wouldn’t normally do becuase they get too horny and that doesn’t sit well with me. I like to guide all sexual encounters towards a meaningfull lasting relationship (open relationship), so I am prepared to wait and ensure she is 100% happy and has made the decision to escalate sexually with all the facts in place (including the fact that I am a PUA and will not commit to her). But that is just my personal Moral Stance so take it as you will. I would rather sleep well at night even if it means I don’t sleep with a different person each night. once i have already slept with a girl I will certainly use sexual pheromones to spice up the sex. > > The above recommendation is for MM style game (indirect), > > If your style is direct I would recommend just TUTH or Instant Jerk if you can handle it… ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/63 "2008-03-24T06:56:37Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I would replace them with P83 and TAF for a seduction mix. Tisha, what do you think TAF would add to a seduction mix? Just trying to fine tune my first meeting/date mix at this point.. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2008, 7:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/64 "2008-03-24T07:01:41Z")
> [@alpha\_wolf](#): > > I use Instant Shine for opening when I have been out of the field for some time. I use Instant Female Magic for day2 dates. > > Overall, pheromones help, but Game is 90% of it. > > -AW That’s interesting.. Do you use IFM for first dates too? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2008, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/65 "2008-04-01T14:24:31Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Tisha, what do you think TAF would add to a seduction mix? Just trying to fine tune my first meeting/date mix at this point.. Sorry I didnt notice this question last week. Taf can intensify a seduction mix. It can make you more focused on the task at hand 😛 Because of its focus abilty it can make it easier for you to notice small cues that would other wise go unnoticed. I would only use a very small amount in a mix to give it a bit of a kick without making it overly serious and intense. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/66 "2008-04-07T17:05:07Z")
There is no other… COME TALK TO ME MIX 2 is Awesome, really does the trick, i use 4 sprays and its amazing, combined with IFM and IO or IH, backed up with either A314 or TUTH… works very well. ---
**Author:** ![oldgezer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9e8a1a/32.png) [@oldgezer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/oldgezer)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/67 "2008-04-12T14:21:23Z")
Do you have to refresh the Instant line of products? I’m at a point that i need to reorder some of them and I’m thinking of going with the 4x and 2x products of IH and IS. Thanks… ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 2:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/68 "2008-04-20T14:42:50Z")
I refresh after about 6 to 8 hours but I use a half dose. So suppose I wore 4 sprays of Ishine in the morning. I resfresh with 2 later on. With oil products and anone products you want to be more careful. Oils diffuse slow and long so you may not need refreshing. Anone can cause build up so suppose you use 3 sprays of ammo. just refresh with 1 spray after 8 hours . Tisha ---
**Author:** ![akamahyar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/97f17d/32.png) [@akamahyar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/akamahyar)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/69 "2008-04-24T22:24:09Z")
are you guys talking about girl pheromones in thus post or guys? ---
**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/70 "2008-05-13T21:55:01Z")
> [@akamahyar](#): > > are you guys talking about girl pheromones in thus post or guys? Both types. ---
**Author:** ![halo9909](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3ec8ea/32.png) [@halo9909](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/halo9909)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2008, 3:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/71 "2008-07-15T03:44:07Z")
very nice suggestion here ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 2:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/72 "2008-09-22T02:37:50Z")
We have been discussing the game on another thread. It is less about the pheromones of each phase than it is about the philosophy, psychology, sociology and politics of “the game”. This discussion begins about midway through page 6 of this particular thread. For those who are interested, here is the link. [Click here](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ladies-may-i-ask-for-your-advice/16189). ---
**Author:** ![brook](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@brook](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brook)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/73 "2008-10-14T16:22:49Z")
I use the mixture of [Come Talk To Me Mix 2](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/), [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) mutant, [TAL](https://pheromonelabs.com/), and [P79](https://pheromonelabs.com/) for every period, even for work. IS did not do anything for me, and I have not tried [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/). From time to time I also add a few sprays of 'none just for the sake of it, particularly when the weather is not too hot. * * * ---
**Author:** ![AdamQuilt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/adamquilt/32/5227_2.png) [@AdamQuilt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AdamQuilt)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 4:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/74 "2008-10-28T04:05:28Z")
Whichever pheromone you like here’s what works best for me: Try spraying or dabbing a little bit in the old love mobile…make sure you test in a non- conspicuous spot on the carpet. If you think you might get your girl back to the love shack…strategically locate some pheromone around the crib! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bruce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@bruce](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bruce)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 2:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/75 "2009-02-09T02:58:09Z")
Ok I am completely new to this and reading up on it to find out how this works. Where can I buy these products? And all I do is spray this on and women react to it? And the diff products have different effects on women? How long should someone be ‘exposed’ to the scent to have an effect? Does the scent dissipate over dinner (across the table) or should you be closer? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Feel\_Good](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mr.feel_good/32/1148_2.png) [@Mr.Feel\_Good](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mr.Feel_Good)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/76 "2009-02-09T03:37:19Z")
Hey Bruce, welcome to the forums! You may want to go post an introduction thread under the intro section… word on the street has it that that’ll get you a $25 gift certificate. 😉 But to answer those questions: 1. You can buy the phero products discussed here (for the most part) at Androtics Direct, also known as SmartMones (link at the top of the screen). 2. Yes, both women and men react to pheromones, depending on what you wear. But remember, this isn’t like one of those Axe commercials… women won’t throw themselves at you and start to hump furiously as soon as you spray some on. They add a subtle edge to your interactions, maybe making them more upbeat and energetic (Instant Shine), making them more open and outgoing (Instant Openness), or adding that sexual spark to your conversation (Ammo). But you’ll still need to walk up and initiate conversation 99% of the time and do your part. Phero’s can’t win the battle by themselves. 3. Yes, different products have different effects. Go look under the Men’s Tips section and look at the Newbie Sticky Threads at the top. They’ll give a good explanation. 4. Usually phero’s take anywhere between 5-15 minutes to get a good effect going, depending on how much you’re wearing and what the temperature/humidity is. I’ve found that closer works better, but they definitely can work 5+ feet away, more for some. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/77 "2009-02-09T03:37:51Z")
You buy these at theSmartmones [Pheromone Store](https://a314.com/shop/). Look for the link at the top of the forum. They are the ones who sponsor this forum although most of us are users and not employees. All you do is spry on and people will react. That does not mean they lose all self control. Often the reactions are subtle. But they do react. Read the first thread in my signature block for a good fell for what you can realistically expect. Different products have different pheromones which have different effects. Read the stickies in the mens forum for a good feel as to what the different consumer products do. Some of the threads in my signature block are good for that also. You will start to see effects fairly quickly - often within 10 minutes or so. And sitting across from someone at the average dinner table is plenty close enough. ---
**Author:** ![deeddy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deeddy/32/1779_2.png) [@deeddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/deeddy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 10:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/78 "2009-02-11T10:25:28Z")
Why did no one mention 3 sprays of mx292 (+ IO optionaly, depending on your personality)? Work wonders for me in the attraction phase. Gotta test it more, though… ---
**Author:** ![Dreamweaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dreamweaver/32/2106_2.png) [@Dreamweaver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dreamweaver)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/79 "2009-02-12T14:31:59Z")
Whats TAL? ---
**Author:** ![bruce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@bruce](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bruce)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832/80 "2009-02-20T00:55:16Z")
> [@Zitadelle](#): > > Hi all, > > Sorry if this sounds like an utter noob/duh question… but how much is one ‘spray’ typically? A firm press of the plunger from top to bottom? Does seem to be quite a squirt, so thought I’d ask to avoid OD-ing on the stuff 🙂 > > I’ve just received AMMO and Instant Female Magic not long ago (thank you SteveO and Jasmin!!!) . I’m thinking of using it to help with a few ladies whom I’d like to get closer to, and perhaps explore the possibility of potential relationship later on. I’m on chatting terms with one or two of them while another one or two are just at the “hi-bye” stage - would anyone have any specific tips or even just general guides as to what combination of one or both pheromones I should work with? > > muchos gracias 🙂 did u get a response to this? I am also interested in knowing if you can layer a couple of different mones on the same surface. Eg use a-314 and instand openess on the right wrist. Does this strenthen or dilute the effect? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832.md?page=3) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-attraction-comfort-seduction/832.md?page=5)