# 'Pheromones for pickup' strategies **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [October 5, 2007, 11:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-strategies/5873 "2007-10-05T11:44:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 16
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-strategies/5873/16 "2008-09-05T16:31:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Socrates > The problem us guys have all grappled with, particularly given that many of the pheromones result in inviting smiles, is coming on too strong from these hits or signs of interest. ‘Active disenterest’ and a ‘level head’ sounds like the perfect remedy for this. Don’t turn into some ‘puppy dog’ when a desirable woman flashes her whites at you - easier said than done I guess… > > [MX101: any idea if it works? - #103 by examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx101/273/103) > examine (June 18, 2006): > “ps. another thing i noticed. lets say you do get a hit, and you start being a little forward. sometimes coming on.. shys them away. one girl was giggling like mad and had a hard time giving me eye contact (which was very annoying) and another girl looked at me like I dropped my pants in front of her. mind you she smiled at me first. > > then my friend Nat said some girl thought i was hot, so I go over to her, and she’s blushing. so I ask her to dance, and she said no because she was nervous. I got her on the floor, but she wouldnt stop smiling, her feet were glued to the ground as she attempted to dance, and she was extremely shy, she told me i was hot, then giggled (as if i was whispering in her ear) and said she felt dumb. so i let her scurry off back to her friends. > > but then 30 min later i see her dancing with some clown. alrighty! > > i still dont know what happened there. > > Instant Shine being Brad Pitt > > I say MX 101 is a WWE superstar. > > Yea, guys enying, and ladies seek out your alph, but once you approach her, and she has all 6’6 270lbs 3 % body fat in her front of her, it may intimidate. now some girls have confidence and will try to subdue/seduct the beast. other girls may run. even tho later that night shes thinking about the pure power of biceps. > > im going to try this mix with 3 sprays of TAH/TAL/TAA > > it outta calm the shyness effect down a little.” > > [TAF = Fearless](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/taf-fearless/453) > MHarris (June 30, 2006): > “That’s right. Good advice. > > The PUAs call this “The 3 second rule”. You approach within 3 seconds (or the bare minimum to get over there), because then you don’t have the time required to feel approach anxiety. > > Internal feelings are slower than that. They’re the slowest part of our internal experience (which is one reason why people get “stuck” in emotional states, despite their conscious wishes to feel something else). > > Also, this impresses the heck out of a women, both consciously and unconsciously. Men, in nature, are supposed to be doing the approaching. > > A man who approaches almost immediately is the most alpha. Women get a real tingle or other internal response out of this. > > You’re fulfilling both your and her biological destiny by approaching right away. Makes you both feel really good. You both get immediate psychological & physical rewards from it. Sort of like a pre-relationship orgasm (which is another physical reward for a job well done in the mating game)” > > Rob (June 30, 2006): > “…Lol.. just on the side.. make sure this immediate psychological and physical reward does not over whelm you. Its funny how women can easily manipulate men by making them light up with just a smile. Its like they turn men into puppy dogs or something. > > If you want to maintain Alpha, then you must maintain a level head in all situations and DO NOT go total EMO HARD CORE over any girl. Besides, you would not want to be seen as a fruitcake (you being a guy).” > > MHarris (June 30, 2006): > “…Yes, they shouldn’t feel as if they’ve won you over (i.e., if you instantly melt in response to their smile) > > Otherwise, they get an internal feeling of completion, and a little voice in their heads that say “onto the next conquest”. > > Something won too easily is not enjoyed. That’s why you utilize active disinterest. > > Re: emo hard core fruitcake… hahaha… you have a way with words ” We have seen above that we need to be composed when a target flashes a smile or gives us some other indicator of interest after being exposed to the mones (as well as the wearer’s charms of course ). But, of course, we also need to be composed ourselves after exposure to these molecules. Here, some of the big names from the forum in the last few years show that even the best can lose composure at times… > [@Relatively new to pheromones- Turn up the heat](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304): > > What can you guys tell me about TUTH? - Experiences? Hits? Best way to use? ALSO, how does it compare to alter ego, and how has AE worked for you? Thanks catlord17 (April 24, 2006): “…Alpha androstenol makes me blabber after a certain dose, and I never realize it until I’ve been doing it for a while. It has that effect on the people I’m around, too…” Androstenone overdoses are no fun Rbt (August 15, 2006): "Sigma’s comment about the -none OD where he says he _knew_ he was being affected by the OD, but was unable to “control” it, is what has me concerned about the effects of [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) like Instant Honesty. Unless there is enough difference between how -none affects you, and how -nols (-Beta Androstenol in this case) affects you, I still have this fear that using Instant Honesty in a way that you get as much of a dose as your “target” may cause the unintended result that you blab too much “truth” or reveal too much in a situation where you are wearing the product with the intent of having an advantage over the target. (There are times I’m sure where we are wearing pheromone products with the intent to influence someone else, not ourselves.) Opinions/observations?" > [@P74 - Good for everything?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-good-for-everything/2469): > > As we get everything settled here, we’re excited to introduce new mixes, some of which will be [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) heavy. Quick question for those of who have a lot of experience with P74. Do you find that this enhances any mix? Any negatives? From what I’ve seen with my own eyes, the only negative might be the time you could need for social interactions. I’m not sure P74 is really appropriate unless you have time to hangout and bond. I haven’t seen this in use in a red hot sexually charged encounters, thoug… Sigma (April 5, 2007): “…I think for guys sometimes you can be a bit too fun. Being fun is good, but it can work against you if you go overboard and seem to lose your composure. This is what happened to me when I wore a high dose of P74 and got drunk. A pinch A314 is a good anchor though. Keeps you more consciously aware of yourself, while allowing others to react positively to the P74. As for the boyfriend effect…I’ve seen some evidence of this myself. Women seem to get very clingy when I wear this stuff out (as mentioned in one case during my earlier trials with it).” > [@Pheromones and the friend zone: is attraction harder once you're already friends?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/genesis-theory-friend-zone-failure/7392): > > Ookay, so after my first couple months of field testing, i realize a few things about how [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) work. many things i realized was how it wouldn’t work for you, it works with you. more of that in my older post in sig. i’ve read Tater said that “once you trash your signature on a target, it’s over, you’re done” i didn’t really quite understand this mean, and i MAY even be misinterpreting him, but i wanted to elaborate on an experience from this line. In school this year, i rarely hang out wit… PheroQuirk (December 13, 2007): “Quote: Originally Posted by Genesis i’ve read Tater said that “once you trash your signature on a target, it’s over, you’re done” the major way you can screw up is by wearing a too sexual/aggressive mix in the wrong context when she isn’t ready for it. so a none/Edge overdose can ruin peoples’ perception of you semi-permanently almost independently of how you behave (and the self-effects are likely to get you deeper into trouble). I haven’t had any experience of wearing a friendly mix (eg Androstenol, Instant Openness) and screwing things up - unless I didn’t steer it right (eg talking too much or revealing things I shouldn’t due to combined effects of betanol+alcohol)…” --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-strategies/5873)._