# Pheromones have ruined my life **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 14, 2011, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350 "2011-09-14T10:03:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/83 "2011-09-20T15:28:01Z")
> [@Ultimate](#): > > Are you THAT dumb? Yes, I’m ‘that dumb’, according to YOUR standards, i guess. However I’m not dumb enough that I: Preform self medical diagnosis on myself of some disease that isnt even proven to exist, Ask experts and researchers in a field for help and then declare them wrong and belittle them, Change symptoms of a theoretical disease to include what I think it should be, not only arguing with [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) experts but with MD’s as well, Claim that IO+IJ basically put a gun to my head to make me go steal something!!! Would argue with a brick wall. Fail Troll is Failz0rz. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/84 "2011-09-20T16:23:23Z")
Psychologist Herman Staudenmayer, Ph.D., of Denver, Colorado, has treated “MCS” patients for more than 30 years. He believes that although some people are very sensitive to various microorganisms, noxious chemicals, and common foods, there is no scientific evidence that an immunologic basis exists for **generalized** allergy to environmental substances. During the 1990s, like Rea, Staudenmayer and his colleague—the late John C. Selner, M.D. (an allergist)—used an environmental chamber to test sensitivity to airborne chemicals. However, they rejected clinical ecology theories and practices. Using well-designed double-blind tests, they demonstrated that “universal reactors” may develop multiple symptoms in response to the testing process without being allergic to any of the individual substances administered. One of their reports describes how they used an environmental chamber to evaluate 20 patients with multiple symptoms attributed to chemical hypersensitivity. These patients believed that they were reactive or hypersensitive to low-level exposure to many chemicals. Some had previously been evaluated and managed by clinical ecologists and diagnosed with “MCS.” During nonblinded tests, these patients consistently reported symptoms they had associated with exposure at work, at home, or elsewhere. The environmental chamber enabled the patients to encounter measured amounts of purified air, compressed gasses, and air containing specific chemical concentrations, without knowing which situation was which. None of the patients demonstrated a response pattern implicating the chemicals supposedly responsible for their symptoms. Eighteen reported no symptoms at least once when the suspect chemical was present. Fifteen reported symptoms at least once when the suspect chemical was absent [10]. In other words, patients reacted to their feelings and beliefs about the test, rather than to the substance in question [11]. Next ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/4/48e5dbe871c05c95ce590e26451119080cdb7028.gif) ---
**Author:** ![mariocisneros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@mariocisneros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mariocisneros)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/85 "2011-09-20T16:27:02Z")
Totally agree bro, great and most part of it is psychological! > [@Blacky\_Chan](#): > > Psychologist Herman Staudenmayer, Ph.D., of Denver, Colorado, has treated “MCS” patients for more than 30 years. He believes that although some people are very sensitive to various microorganisms, noxious chemicals, and common foods, there is no scientific evidence that an immunologic basis exists for **generalized** allergy to environmental substances. During the 1990s, like Rea, Staudenmayer and his colleague—the late John C. Selner, M.D. (an allergist)—used an environmental chamber to test sensitivity to airborne chemicals. However, they rejected clinical ecology theories and practices. Using well-designed double-blind tests, they demonstrated that “universal reactors” may develop multiple symptoms in response to the testing process without being allergic to any of the individual substances administered. One of their reports describes how they used an environmental chamber to evaluate 20 patients with multiple symptoms attributed to chemical hypersensitivity. These patients believed that they were reactive or hypersensitive to low-level exposure to many chemicals. Some had previously been evaluated and managed by clinical ecologists and diagnosed with “MCS.” During nonblinded tests, these patients consistently reported symptoms they had associated with exposure at work, at home, or elsewhere. The environmental chamber enabled the patients to encounter measured amounts of purified air, compressed gasses, and air containing specific chemical concentrations, without knowing which situation was which. None of the patients demonstrated a response pattern implicating the chemicals supposedly responsible for their symptoms. Eighteen reported no symptoms at least once when the suspect chemical was present. Fifteen reported symptoms at least once when the suspect chemical was absent [10]. In other words, patients reacted to their feelings and beliefs about the test, rather than to the substance in question [11]. ---
**Author:** ![rolandcubed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@rolandcubed](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rolandcubed)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/86 "2011-09-20T17:01:42Z")
> [@Ultimate](#): > > **I know exactly what I have and what caused it** , it just eases me that I’ve found a label for it and see that other people get accused of imagining the symtoms to. For the one report that discredits MCS there are others that support it. There is a report that show MCS sufferers have less bloodflow to the brain all the time and it was shown to decrease further with exposure to chemicals. > > **Again, having hormone treatment from a dr obviously isnt abuse.** Stupid response. If a doctor can give you HRT, then I suppose you’re just as qualified as a doctor to diagnose yourself with something? That’s a rhetorical question, you’re not able to self diagnose. Your response is equally stupid because you believe you have something without seeing someone professionally qualified. People believe they might have carpal tunnel syndrome, but they could have an ulnar nerve entrapment instead. The difference is which nerve is affected. GO GET SOME HELP. Stop self diagnosing yourself, you’re bringing yourself frustration because you’re trying to convince people that you have something that wasn’t diagnosed by a doctor. You’re doing yourself a disservice. Edit: thank you for delegating yourself to troll level. I believe something is causing your reactions, be it pheromones or your mind, but the fact you refuse to seek professional help tells me that you’re just trolololin ---
**Author:** ![Ultimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ba8739/32.png) [@Ultimate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ultimate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/87 "2011-09-20T20:44:08Z")
“It’s amazing that it clearly states that once the irritant is removed symptons improve, yet he has altered the definition of a self diagnosed condition to fit his psychosis.” My symptoms DID improve when not exposed to pheromones. I didnt alter any definition. Again, since you are hard of reading: multi chemical sensitivity means you get negative reactions from various unrelated chemicals after an initial over-exposure or long term build up of exposure to a chemicals. I still get negative reactions to other chemicals, but nowhere near as bad as I would with pheromones. You need to be told the same thing multiple times and pretend to not understand. You must be a troll, no-one can be this stupid ---
**Author:** ![Ultimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ba8739/32.png) [@Ultimate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ultimate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/88 "2011-09-20T20:47:33Z")
“Ask experts and researchers in a field for help and then declare them wrong and belittle them” The only person who’s helped me is sebastian with his MCS advice. Everyone else just enjoys arguements. ---
**Author:** ![Ultimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ba8739/32.png) [@Ultimate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ultimate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/89 "2011-09-20T20:54:48Z")
“Preform self medical diagnosis on myself of some disease that isnt even proven to exist” Kind of like reporting that yourself and other people are effected by pheromones which are not even proven to work? You all must be crazy thinking pheromones actually do anything, I mean the doctors say they dont work and doctors know everything _sarcasm_ ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/90 "2011-09-20T20:55:18Z")
> [@Ultimate](#): > > " You need to be told the same thing multiple times and pretend to not understand. You must be a troll, no-one can be this stupid [http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2007/fstdt-pot-kettle5.jpg](http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2007/fstdt-pot-kettle5.jpg) Let me ask something several members have asked you. Which professional diagnosed you with MCS. _A more recent study tested whether “MCS” patients could reliably distinguish between airborne solvents and placebo and whether there were significant differences in measurable biological and neuropsychological parameters between solvent and placebo exposures. During the study, 20 MCS patients and 17 controls underwent six sessions in a challenge chamber in which they were exposed to solvent fumes and clean air in random order. Neither the patients nor the experimentors knew which exposures were which at the time they took place. No differences accuracy in identifying chemical exposure were found between the two groups. Nor was cognitive performance influenced by solvent exposure or different between the groups. Nor was there any difference between the groups in serum cortisol levels measured before and after exposures [13]._ ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/91 "2011-09-20T21:08:42Z")
> [@Ultimate](#): > > “It’s amazing that it clearly states that once the irritant is removed symptons improve, yet he has altered the definition of a self diagnosed condition to fit his psychosis.” > > _ **My symptoms DID improve when not exposed to pheromones** _. **You and every human around you produces pheromones** , if pheromones caused your problems just being around a group of people would trigger your condition, oh and don’t even think about going to the gym that’s a pheromones whore house, and don’t exercise because that may increase your own pheromone production, oh and don’t eat celery some reports say it increases pheromones, oh and be careful around bugs because they produce pheromones too. Come at me bro!!! [](http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18000000/mikey-eating-popcorn-2-michael-jackson-18094840-200-136.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ultimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ba8739/32.png) [@Ultimate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ultimate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/92 "2011-09-20T21:18:17Z")
Again, one study discredits MCS whilst others prove it, yet you dwell on the one that discredits it. Most doctors dont even know what pheromones are, and the few that do dont believe they work. Most doctors (GPs) dont even know what MCS is, and the few that do dont believe it exists so I am hardly going to get a valid diagnosis. I live in UK and 90% of doctors here are foreign with no knowledge outside of the recognising the obvious. The specialist doctors who do treat MCS live far from me and charge more money than I can afford, so I have no option but to figure things out for myself. ---
**Author:** ![Ultimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ba8739/32.png) [@Ultimate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ultimate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/93 "2011-09-20T21:27:14Z")
“You and every human around you produces pheromones” Not high doses of chemical pheromones. Is it so hard to understand that there is a difference, really? ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/94 "2011-09-20T21:40:25Z")
> [@Ultimate](#): > > Again, one study discredits MCS whilst others prove it, yet you dwell on the one that discredits it. **Actually that is two different studies, but I’m the stupid one 🙄. I haven’t seen a single independent study that proves MCS exist.** > > Most doctors dont even know what pheromones are, and the few that do dont believe they work. Most doctors (GPs) dont even know what MCS is, and the few that do dont believe it exists so I am hardly going to get a valid diagnosis. I live in UK and 90% of doctors here are foreign with no knowledge outside of the recognising the obvious. The specialist doctors who do treat MCS live far from me and charge more money than I can afford, so I have no option but to figure things out for myself. **That’s all fine and dandy but you failed to adress the point that I made. You claimed you got better when the pheromones were removed, but all humans including yourself produce pheromones. How did you stop your natural pheromone production.** Just for shits and giggles here’s a third study _The provocation-neutralization test was conclusively debunked by a study performed in the early 1980s by researchers at the University of California. The tests took place in the offices of clinical ecologists who had been treating the patients. During three-hour sessions, the patients received three injections of suspected food extracts and nine of normal saline. Sixteen patients were tested once, and two were tested twice. In nonblinded tests, these patients had consistently reported symptoms when exposed to food extracts and no symptoms when given saline injections. Under double-blind conditions, however, they developed symptoms with 16 of 60 food-extract injections (27%) and 44 of the 180 (24%) salt-water injections. The symptoms elicited by both types of injections were identical and included itching of the nose, watery or burning eyes, plugged ears, a feeling of fullness in the ears, ringing ears, dry mouth, scratchy throat, an odd taste in the mouth, tiredness, headache, nausea, dizziness, abdominal discomfort, tingling of the face or scalp, tightness or pressure in the head, disorientation, difficulty breathing, depression, chills, coughing, nervousness, intestinal gas or rumbling, and aching legs. The results clearly demonstrated that the patients’ symptoms were placebo reactions. The study also tested the claim that “neutralizing” doses of offending allergens can relieve the patient’s symptoms. All seven patients who were “treated” during the experiment had equivalent responses to extracts and saline [9]._ - [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/4/48d7ad607f254bfd30c0d20545b0902b4aaa397a.gif) ](https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqq4p2WZvO1qlxt27.gif) - ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/95 "2011-09-20T21:49:22Z")
> [@Ultimate](#): > > I live in UK and 90% of doctors here are foreign with no knowledge outside of the recognising the obvious. Now I know you’re trolling like a tard, I’m from the UK as well and no, 90% of Doctors are not foreign. Unless of course you believe in everything you read in the Daily Mail in which case having a spas attack every time someone farts near you is the least of your worries. ---
**Author:** ![Ultimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ba8739/32.png) [@Ultimate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ultimate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/96 "2011-09-20T21:51:01Z")
“You claimed you got better when the pheromones were removed, but all humans including yourself produce pheromones. How did you stop your natural pheromone production” Obviously I was refering to synthetic [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) since I dont naturally produce high levels of laboratory designed chemical pheromones ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/97 "2011-09-20T21:57:56Z")
> [@Ultimate](#): > > “You claimed you got better when the pheromones were removed, but all humans including yourself produce pheromones. How did you stop your natural pheromone production” > > Obviously I was refering to synthetic pheromone products since I dont naturally produce high levels of laboratory designed chemical pheromones Troll, troll, troll, troll, troll… _Yawn_ Are you the same one who came on here trolling claiming that mones caused cancer or some other sillyness like that? ---
**Author:** ![Ultimate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ba8739/32.png) [@Ultimate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ultimate)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/98 "2011-09-20T22:09:33Z")
“Now I know you’re trolling like a tard, I’m from the UK as well and no, 90% of Doctors are not foreign. Unless of course you believe in everything you read in the Daily Mail” Am I allowed to believe my own eyes when I go to the Drs surgery and I have a choice of not one, not two, but three pakistani Drs. Am I allowed to believe my own ears when I get told by my next nearest surgery that all their Drs are foreign? Am I allowed to believe my own eyes when I look online to find only one Dr in my town has a non pakistani name? Still, must be the daily mail influencing me to imagine I am seeing and hearing such things ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/99 "2011-09-20T22:22:56Z")
> [@Ultimate](#): > > “Now I know you’re trolling like a tard, I’m from the UK as well and no, 90% of Doctors are not foreign. Unless of course you believe in everything you read in the Daily Mail” > > Am I allowed to believe my own eyes when I go to the Drs surgery and I have a choice of not one, not two, but three pakistani Drs. Am I allowed to believe my own ears when I get told by my next nearest surgery that all their Drs are foreign? Am I allowed to believe my own eyes when I look online to find only one Dr in my town has a non pakistani name? Still, must be the daily mail influencing me to imagine I am seeing and hearing such things So in conclusion pheromones are bad and you hate Pakistanis. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 10:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/100 "2011-09-20T22:26:25Z")
**Guys can we keep it civil in here, the rest of us are trying to do science.** [http://resource.mmgn.com/pwnage/user\_752\_NH9QPZXH.jpg](http://resource.mmgn.com/pwnage/user_752_NH9QPZXH.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![alex398](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/77aa72/32.png) [@alex398](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alex398)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 10:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/101 "2011-09-20T22:29:55Z")
Man this is entertaining stuff i have to admit. Keep trolling man im getting a good laugh out of your posts ultimate. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-have-ruined-my-life/52350/102 "2011-09-20T22:30:01Z")
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