# Pheromones in gay men/violence **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 15, 2013, 9:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753 "2013-04-15T09:31:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tony88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ebca7d/32.png) [@Tony88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tony88)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 9:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/1 "2013-04-15T09:31:47Z")
Hi, Please forgive me if this has been covered in another thread. I have had a little look around but can’t seem to find anything that specifically answers my questions. I’m a gay male that is interested in using pheromones to appear more social, approachable , and dare I say it, attractive. I have no issue with how I look, it’s more a confidence thing in feeling at ease around other guys, getting them to open up etc. I’ve read quite a lot about [Mystery Boy](https://a314.com/product/mystery-boy/), but unfortunately I can’t seem to find it being sold anymore. There seems to be a lot of mixed information online about which sort of things I should be buying, and seeing as I don’t have a tremendous amount of money I’d hate to see anything I do buy wasted. I’m also worried about the effects certain pheromones will have on attracting violence, as I am not by nature a violent person at all. If I were to wear something to a straight club (where 9 times out of 10 I usually go with friends) , would I end up walking out with a busted nose? That sort of thing. Again, I hope this post made sense and I’m totally new to all of this so any replies would be warmly received. ---
**Author:** ![Tony88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ebca7d/32.png) [@Tony88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tony88)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 9:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/2 "2013-04-15T09:51:19Z")
By the way, I’m 24 if age is a factor on quantity/combination 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 10:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/3 "2013-04-15T10:23:02Z")
Gay men are responsive to broadly the same pheros as straight women but they can still display sex-typical responses to certain pheros and Androstenone is one that can trigger aggression. It is in all the sexuals, but the best balanced/dosed is Ammo, then TUTH and the most unbalanced/problematic is IJ - Even at my age I can find it can provoke trouble around half the time. Ammo however is well suited to your age and you don’t see reports of aggressive/competive reactions that often, except with serious OD. TUTH is the same dose of none but a bit more overt because it is unbalanced and again, its usually OD around young guys that causes problems The main cause of aggressive responses is too much Androstenone and yes, that can vary. Younger guys are liable to to respond badly to lower doses than those your age and as they age, the amount of Androstenone you can use without problem will increase, so you will need to do a bit of testing to find your best dose in different environments and around different people. From what I can remember, Mystery Boy can be approximated by augmenting standard Ammo with a dose of the Experimone TAF. Its currently on limited sale to RUs only (ignore the silly price, that’s just a stock software thing) but if you check back, it will hopefully be back on general sale soon, or you could keep an eye on the trading post thread in lounge, IIRC it crops-up quite often. You might also want to consider [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) - It is the same formula as standard Ammo but with two extra molecules (TAA/P130) that promote a feelgood air and mood lifting/comforting effects, not in quite the same way as TAF but it will make it less competitive/confrontational around younger guys. Summer also has a far better scent IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Tony88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ebca7d/32.png) [@Tony88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tony88)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 11:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/4 "2013-04-15T11:08:43Z")
Thank you for your reply. I’m starting to realise this is a little more complicated than I first thought! if I were to buy the summer Ammo and use it when in the company of people I think are attracted to me, or in a bar, club, and tweak it to see how people react, would this be sufficient, or would I definitely need to mix it with something else? I’m just curious to the negative effect it may have in certain situations. As I say, I’m not initimdating looking or particularly threatening. I realise now there would be a problem with applying too often so the smells are over bearing. I was under the impression that there was only one type of [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) that would be suitable for everything, office meetings, dates etc. ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 11:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/5 "2013-04-15T11:42:39Z")
> [@Tony88](#): > > Thank you for your reply. I’m starting to realise this is a little more complicated than I first thought! if I were to buy the summer Ammo and use it when in the company of people I think are attracted to me, or in a bar, club, and tweak it to see how people react, would this be sufficient, or would I definitely need to mix it with something else? I’m just curious to the negative effect it may have in certain situations. As I say, I’m not initimdating looking or particularly threatening. I realise now there would be a problem with applying too often so the smells are over bearing. I was under the impression that there was only one type of pheromone that would be suitable for everything, office meetings, dates etc. Hey, I don’t understand the question. I think you worry too much about the aggression side effect. Yes I got it sometimes when wearing Tuth galore in public (I’m not stupid, it was just for testing purposes 😃 ). Ammo triggers less aggression and Summer Ammo again less than Ammo. It’s not only about how much Androstenone you wear, but the ratio between your different kind of mones. For example Ammo has Androsterone in it too which buffers the Androstenone, causing less negative side effects. Summer Ammo is even better there because the P130 gives a very laid back vibe, the TAA puts people at ease or even makes them feel happy. Summer Ammo is well buffered and is said to work better on younger women. I cannot confirm because these products never had a change on my dating life - if any, very slightly because I felt a little more confident thanks to the self effects. Also note that some people dislike the FF21 scent of Ammo (I love it, definitely give it a shot, but not as your first product because if you dislike the scent you’ll be disappointed by your first product), now there’s also the [World Edition](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/world-edition/) of it back in stock (I think) so you can think about ordering that one. Or Summer Ammo, it smells nice. When you’re a little more experienced, you can experiment with P75. It triggers a different kind of attraction (Androstenone can make women wet while P75 makes you appear very manly and in control which is also attractive). P75 repels guys who want trouble. I’ve field tested this. I recommend also talking to strangers outside of the crowded places, like on the street or the mall. Do it without mones for a few minutes with a few people, and then try with mones on. All this should happen in a warm and humid environment. If you see a difference in pattern it is a hint that what you’re wearing might be working/affecting. Obviously when wearing Ammo, you should pick some women (if youre bi) or men in gay-environments to talk to. If it doesn’t work, try another dosage/product. ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 12:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/6 "2013-04-15T12:14:02Z")
> [@Tony88](#): > > Hi, > Please forgive me if this has been covered in another thread. I have had a little look around but can’t seem to find anything that specifically answers my questions. I’m a gay male that is interested in using pheromones to appear more social, approachable , and dare I say it, attractive. I have no issue with how I look, it’s more a confidence thing in feeling at ease around other guys, getting them to open up etc. I’ve read quite a lot about Mystery Boy, but unfortunately I can’t seem to find it being sold anymore. There seems to be a lot of mixed information online about which sort of things I should be buying, and seeing as I don’t have a tremendous amount of money I’d hate to see anything I do buy wasted. I’m also worried about the effects certain pheromones will have on attracting violence, as I am not by nature a violent person at all. If I were to wear something to a straight club (where 9 times out of 10 I usually go with friends) , would I end up walking out with a busted nose? That sort of thing. Again, I hope this post made sense and I’m totally new to all of this so any replies would be warmly received. [Mystery Boy](https://a314.com/product/mystery-boy/) is out of production and not sold anymore, if you’re looking for a combination of products that could attract gay men check out this post from a fellow member: > [@Instant Sexiness B + Instant Gentlemen = ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-sexiness-b-instant-gentlemen/49314/19): > > Here’s a little mix I made up for a gay friend here in Memphis who swears by it. 6 sprays of Ishine 4 sprays of IO 1 spray of IH 1 spray of IG 1 spray of TUTH 25 mcg P83 It’s all about social vibes in the gay scene according to my friend. A little masculinity and alpha vibe goes a long way he says. He told me what the best vibe to have was and then we went from there. He says he has met more guys with this mix than anything else I gave him, including [Mystery Boy](https://a314.com/product/mystery-boy/). If you decide to use it l… I think the best thing for you is to purchase the Newbie Kit and experiment with that, usually the products used to attract women are also used by gay men, to attract men. > **[Social Success Pheromone - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/)** > > A314 cologne is a powerful blend of 17 pheromones that enhance your confidence and gives you amazing social experiences you will never forget ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/7 "2013-04-16T01:31:17Z")
> [@Tony88](#): > > Thank you for your reply. I’m starting to realise this is a little more complicated than I first thought! if I were to buy the summer Ammo and use it when in the company of people I think are attracted to me, or in a bar, club, and tweak it to see how people react, would this be sufficient, or would I definitely need to mix it with something else? I’m just curious to the negative effect it may have in certain situations. As I say, I’m not initimdating looking or particularly threatening. I realise now there would be a problem with applying too often so the smells are over bearing. I was under the impression that there was only one type of pheromone that would be suitable for everything, office meetings, dates etc. It very much depends on the environment/situation and the people around you. Summer Ammo is very well balanced and its two extra molecules very effectively moderate the potential negatives of both the none and rone in the mix (rone OD is different, can seem stuffy/standoffish or the “funky-uncle” vibe), which makes it very widely usable and unproblematic in most situations. However, in a more relaxed/uninhibited and determinedly sexual environment, you can usually use more in your face doses of different pheros - notably none. Any firm selling a sexual phero on a “can be used anywhere around all people” claim is frankly, bullshitting you. Or selling something so pitifully weak that it won’t be worth the bother - **All** pheros have their ideal conditions and applications and situations where it might be innappropriate - although there is reasonable overlap with some socials and the age of your subjects can be another issue. About the only truly all round product I’ve yet seen is [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) but its a social product, not sexual - but the right kind of social can be very sexy! 🙂 Personally, I’m fond of starting a night with a social-heavy or social/engaging/sexual mix, then using something like TUTH to shift the none proportion to something much more sexual as the night goes-on and when we hit the clubs. Thus, some balance moderation is retained from the pheros from earlier in the night but I can use a much more overtly sexual mix when the inhibitions slip away. You soon get the hang of it in practice! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/8 "2013-04-16T09:06:33Z")
> [@Mysterion](#): > > Hey, I don’t understand the question. I think you worry too much about the aggression side effect. Yes I got it sometimes when wearing Tuth galore in public (I’m not stupid, it was just for testing purposes 😃 ). Ammo triggers less aggression and Summer Ammo again less than Ammo. It’s not only about how much Androstenone you wear, but the ratio between your different kind of mones. For example Ammo has Androsterone in it too which buffers the Androstenone, causing less negative side effects. Summer Ammo is even better there because the P130 gives a very laid back vibe, the TAA puts people at ease or even makes them feel happy. Summer Ammo is well buffered and is said to work better on younger women. I cannot confirm because these products never had a change on my dating life - if any, very slightly because I felt a little more confident thanks to the self effects. > Also note that some people dislike the FF21 scent of Ammo (I love it, definitely give it a shot, but not as your first product because if you dislike the scent you’ll be disappointed by your first product), now there’s also the World Edition of it back in stock (I think) so you can think about ordering that one. Or Summer Ammo, it smells nice. > > When you’re a little more experienced, you can experiment with P75. It triggers a different kind of attraction (Androstenone can make women wet while P75 makes you appear very manly and in control which is also attractive). P75 repels guys who want trouble. I’ve field tested this. > > I recommend also talking to strangers outside of the crowded places, like on the street or the mall. Do it without mones for a few minutes with a few people, and then try with mones on. All this should happen in a warm and humid environment. If you see a difference in pattern it is a hint that what you’re wearing might be working/affecting. Obviously when wearing Ammo, you should pick some women to talk to. If it doesn’t work, try another dosage/product. I don’t think he’s looking to pick up women. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/9 "2013-04-16T09:15:43Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > I don’t think he’s looking to pick up women. The phero effects of female-oriented on Pheros can be pretty marked on gays as their sensitivity is often similar. In fact it can be a good indicator that you have your mix proportions off. TBH, the phero that has got me propositioned by more guys than any other and in the most surprising places is The Edge. Then there was [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)/CTTM2 - That made me very popular with the “boys” - even with my ex looking-on, just wetting herself with laughter! 😮 😃 ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 9:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/10 "2013-04-16T09:27:45Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > The phero effects of female-oriented on Pheros can be pretty marked on gays as their sensitivity is often similar. In fact it can be a good indicator that you have your mix proportions off. > > TBH, the phero that has got me propositioned by more guys than any other and in the most surprising places is The Edge. > > Then there was MX297/CTTM2 - That made me very popular with the “boys” - even with my ex looking-on, just wetting herself with laughter! 😮 😃 [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) straight has got me the strongest hits from gays. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/11 "2013-04-16T15:56:21Z")
I’ve devoted a ton of effort to gender-specific mixes. There are–much to my regret–far too many men where I live who didn’t get the memo. They aren’t savvy online, and they suffer the delusion that they’ll find love at many of the hundreds of small beer and wine bars that dominate in Florida. Being confronted with literally dozens of clueless men (possibly some gay in the crowd) and few if any women has forced me to adapt. Low amounts of -eNone, [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) and P74 combined is often–though this is not my goal–attractive to men. May God help me. Leaving out the -None gets you more male straight buddies than gay guys. If excluding gay men or men generally is your plan, High amounts of P75 with maybe 2-5 mcg -None are called for. Like 15-30 micro gram of 75. This will clear a room of men–even gay ones–like a feral skunk. I have some experiments in progress with TAC to make this potent 75/NONE flamethrower acceptable to girls. The best way to deal with the violent aspects of -eNone is to combine it with 75 at a 1:1, 1:2 or 1:3 ratio NONE to 75. Always equal or higher amount of 75 to NONE. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/12 "2013-04-16T16:19:28Z")
Yes, you have a very good point there - I don’t think I’ve had anything like the same attention/attraction from guys since I took-up [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) in earnest. Although I’m not using as much as you - but I am using more than a lot of guys here can get away with. Interesting. 🙂 And yes there are plenty of guys like that here too - Including gay/bi. Same everywhere I suppose? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/13 "2013-04-16T18:33:06Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes, you have a very good point there - I don’t think I’ve had anything like the same attention/attraction from guys since I took-up P75 in earnest. Although I’m not using as much as you - but I am using more than a lot of guys here can get away with. Interesting. 🙂 > > And yes there are plenty of guys like that here too - Including gay/bi. Same everywhere I suppose? The demographics vary, but the trend is toward more social tolerance of all gay relationships, etc. That said, 15 mcg 75 by itself is reasonably tolerated by women, and repellent to probably 9 of ten men. A mix of 15 micro gram 75 and an equal amount TAC is within my grasp, and I aim to try it. This much 75 nearly always grabs attention, and the wearer becomes the focus in the room (modest sized room). A head turner. I think doubling the amounts of [Molecule C](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-c/) and 75 are possible. Some None is need. Not necessarily much. The more you add, the trickier it gets. By far, one mone AD sells that will get you hits (hopefully no fights) is 75. 30 micros of that stuff will make you a believer. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 2:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/14 "2013-04-17T02:07:43Z")
30,cg of [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) made people very edgy around me - both sexes and it needed massive amounts of social moderation to get that in hand. I’ll occasionally use up to 15mcg in social-heavy mixes but IME, any significant amount of none and it starts to get unmanagable again. I get-on far better in the 5-7.5mcg range and I don’t need wallet-stangling amounts of socials to round it out. Still, one exception is IJ. high-dose A314 and P75 - that is the mix to wear if you want to put the frighteners on someone. 😉😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/15 "2013-04-17T07:05:15Z")
> [@THE\_GHOST](#): > > MX297 straight has got me the strongest hits from gays. I think its because [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) gives you that rockstar/famous actor vibe. I’ve noticed I get attraction hits from everybody - gay men, straight men, straight women. It seems to disarm everyone. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2013, 9:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/16 "2013-04-17T09:32:40Z")
Yes, 297’s social/engaging nature does tend to hit right across the board if you are doing it right! ---
**Author:** ![Tony88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ebca7d/32.png) [@Tony88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tony88)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/17 "2013-04-18T11:19:35Z")
I received my gift certificate this morning so I decided to take the plunge and I have bought 1 bottle of Summer Ammo, and 1 bottle of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). I chose these simply because they are the ones I’d seen the most people talk about, so I assumed they must be good. Did I do the right thing? Also, can I wear them together, or is it best to wear one at a time? I’m planning on finding my “sweet spot” when they arrive. This is all new, exciting stuff.😃 All of your replies are truly appreciated - this forum rocks. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 11:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/18 "2013-04-18T11:41:52Z")
Yes, you can wear them together but remember that [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) already has some TAA in the mix, which is the main component of IS - So you probably won’t need to use so much IS alongside it. IS on its own is a great social attractant in all sorts of situations for both sexes - You should take it out on its own to see what happens. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andromun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/andromun/32/365_2.png) [@andromun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andromun)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-in-gay-men-violence/58753/19 "2013-04-18T17:49:02Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > I think its because MX297 gives you that rockstar/famous actor vibe. > > I’ve noticed I get attraction hits from everybody - gay men, straight men, straight women. > > It seems to disarm everyone. Yep - [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) is what I term the super social mone. I love using AMMO + IS + MX297 The hits I get are on the verge of, “_dang, I 'm talking with this chick but the one over there who’s hotter is eye fucking me big time_”. LOVE THIS STUFF!