# pheromones-the "nice guys" miracle **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [February 28, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-the-nice-guys-miracle/36626 "2010-02-28T19:56:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ivnsmc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c4cdca/32.png) [@ivnsmc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ivnsmc)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-the-nice-guys-miracle/36626/1 "2010-02-28T19:56:53Z")
hello im Ivan and i joined this community out of curiosity and amazement with [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). Im 6foot 1 185lbs solid muscle- im a body builder and fitness model and i usually run into big money so i have big parties at my house which turns into my hunting grounds when the partys on.m pretty successful in the area of seduction. i know lots of “nice guys” AKA guys that girls arent attracted to for whatever reason these guys want girls so bad that they fear their disapproval of them ,Hence they dont get them because of that. I gave some of them pheromones as a gag gift for laughs but ill be dammed they actually used them and they worked(this one guy stole a girl from me at MY party once). It is amazing how pheromones can help guys who cant successfully seduce women but it also made me realize how women are built fro destruction in the fact that they are attracted to men who will only hurt them in the long run. I just wanted to share that particular experience with you! ---
**Author:** ![falcos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/falcos/32/1189_2.png) [@falcos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/falcos)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2010, 8:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-the-nice-guys-miracle/36626/2 "2010-02-28T20:00:05Z")
Welcome to the forum ivnsmc 🙂 Welcome to this wonderull world, I am here to be your gide in anything I can and my knowledge allows. After reading your post I think you will be more successfull using you should try a314, so you will intimidate the guy nex time even more… also get ammo it will bring sweet success. This party of yours went sour for you, but it dosent mean you dont learn from it, like you did next time is your time. Also I told ammo because it is the best for me, but I dont know youre age. Could you tell us a little bit more of yourself so we can help you the best way possible? Look for the 25 gc thread an see how you can get $25 free 🙂 I hoped this helped, and please ask me anyquestion you have, I will do my best to deliver you the awnser. Best regards Falcos 🙂 . ---
**Author:** ![seekingadvice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58f4c7/32.png) [@seekingadvice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/seekingadvice)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-the-nice-guys-miracle/36626/3 "2010-02-28T21:26:45Z")
nice story ivn!.. btw welcome, im pretty new here myself and also to pheromones.. its amazing how that happens..women only attracted to people who cause them destruction in the short-run leading into long run if u have any story with someone stuck in the “friend zone” and going into conquering that.. do share it! i myself am stuck lol so trying to get out of it.. might be possible.. has happened before without pheromones for people soo im sure this is a true advantage! btw ivn, definitely use ammo, ig, and maybe a lil a314 + TUTH even.. ammo and ig will turn u into a boyfriend material.. long run. a314 will make u seem alpha and TUTH gives them a sexual vibe lol. ---
**Author:** ![mackie72](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mackie72/32/623_2.png) [@mackie72](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mackie72)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-the-nice-guys-miracle/36626/4 "2010-02-28T21:27:23Z")
Hi vnsmc and welcome to the forum. I wish i could run into big money - maybe you could give me some financial tips hee hee. I believe your advice to be true in that a large portion of women are attracted to men who will cause them untold grief that is why IJ can be so effective. Like falco said can you try to tell us in more detail about what you desire from pheromones. You sound like a social guy but dont dismiss the [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) as they really do aid in female attraction and set a positive mood. Please also describe your personality extrovert/introvert etc. As a beginner with pheromones I would recommend the togo bottles in the instant line. They are cheaper thanthe 30ml bottles so you can buy a good selection for a good price. Start with one spray and build up gradually until you find your sweet spot. I hope this helps Mackie ---
**Author:** ![ivnsmc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c4cdca/32.png) [@ivnsmc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ivnsmc)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-the-nice-guys-miracle/36626/6 "2010-02-28T23:41:13Z")
> [@falcos](#): > > Welcome to the forum ivnsmc 🙂 Welcome to this wonderull world, I am here to be your gide in anything I can and my knowledge allows. > > After reading your post I think you will be more successfull using you should try a314, so you will intimidate the guy nex time even more… also get ammo it will bring sweet success. This party of yours went sour for you, but it dosent mean you dont learn from it, like you did next time is your time. > > Also I told ammo because it is the best for me, but I dont know youre age. Could you tell us a little bit more of yourself so we can help you the best way possible? > > Look for the 25 gc thread an see how you can get $25 free 🙂 > > I hoped this helped, and please ask me anyquestion you have, I will do my best to deliver you the awnser. > Best regards Falcos 🙂 . yes im goin to be 20 yrs old in august of this year i am a hardcore partier and im always lookikng to improve my chances in the field of seduction. i am a fitness model/bodybuilder im 6 foot 1 185 lbs of solid muscle ive had plently of success in the art of women but nothing exceeds lik excess so here i am. ---
**Author:** ![falcos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/falcos/32/1189_2.png) [@falcos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/falcos)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-the-nice-guys-miracle/36626/7 "2010-03-01T00:33:24Z")
Well I am also a party animal, this was true but my heart was torn by one girl and my confidence went down the drain. Its difficult to see that the girls that you actually care for and actually go out of your way to make something for them are the ones who will hurt you the most. I am getting back on track hopefully again. It took me almost 2 years, 2 lost years because one girl… never again my friend, never again. My advice is go see my paris thread, : [1 week in paris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-week-in-paris/36567) and this is the difference ammo can make. I used IJ, TUTH, a314, IO, IS, spaceland, almost any instant mone there is, but everything is a little bit to much for me, apart from IS and maybe IO, now ammo it makes the real difference when you are a party animal. Has I said I was a party animal before, but I pulled out my best performance after 2 years in the gutter. The right atitude and the right mones and you will be the jerk like I was breaking down realationships. In this week there was guy that didnt EVER leave his girlfriend room, because it was in front of mine. He was really affraid, they were very social person for what I heard and in that week they didnt leave the room every single night. ammo has for me will do the trick for you. In my opinion you will need less dosage of ammo, I think 3 sprays of the normal ammo will be enough for a 19yo, but start with 2. Best of lucks my friend, I am overweight a little bit and short, I do have a pretty face and some deep light brown eyes, but still I would say your built will topple my face any time. Have the right attitude dress yourself in the right mones and the world will be yours for the taking. After you get a expert on ammo, buy a tuth normal bottle and try to figure it out combination that will give more raw sexuality making you the guy who gets one different girl everynight. ---
**Author:** ![seekingadvice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58f4c7/32.png) [@seekingadvice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/seekingadvice)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 3:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-the-nice-guys-miracle/36626/8 "2010-03-01T03:58:11Z")
> [@ivnsmc](#): > > i actually was in that situation in high school i was crazy(like she was in my thoughts 24/7crazy) about this one girl becuase she was a 10 she had nice thick thighs that i would lick completely even today-she had a nice round ass a flat stomach and her tities were like medium sized but her face was the cutest ive ever seen even until today she had sparkly brown eyes and brown hair tanish skin and her smile was absolutely breath taking and thats why i was crazy about her because she smiled nonstop.we became friends but no matter how much i tried to let her no without scaring da shit outta her or makn myself look lik a wus i cound not get to her-for a couple months we were in the same class so we talked endlessly but it was small talk that never led anywhere then one day her friend told me that she hoked up with four guys in one night and i was just horiified because i wz in love wit her and i wz a virgin at da tim so i felt lik shit about it for a while then i just avoided her but senior year we were stuck in the same class again so we just made small talk as usual then she started coming on to me just flirtn a little her and there i remember she started to drop her pencil on the floor quite often and bending her perfect ass over and leaning her ass and camel toe (that completely showed through her workout tights) an inch from my face(literaly i could smell the estrogen coming out of the thing i kid you not) but i held back for some reason any way like a week away from graduation i pulled her aside and spilled my guts out completely i told her i used to be crazy about her and that she was the only girl that i was ever in love with i also told her that i was over her but i would never forget her and the way she made me feel. she started talking in like a saddish sort of tone and she said that she wishes that i wouldve told her because she was apparently into me too. i held her for a couple minutes told her it was ok she gave a smile and he said i was sweet in an over dramatic sort of way > then she jumped on me wrapped her legs around my waist and started kissing me and it was quite a jump shes about 5 foot 4 i was 6 foot 1 so i just went with the flow and we went into the gymansium because we knew(or at least i did) that there was no one there at that time i carried her into the weight room because there was this gigantic soft matress-like thing that was used for gymnastics i guess) it was around nine in the morning when i told her and we left about 5 o clock. that was actually the most passionate sex i ever had and her friend told me a couple months later that she said that those were the best moments of her life and she would never forget me. So shes the one that got away > you can learn from my mistake man i regret not lettin her know how i felt even tough i dont feel that way any more so TEll her that you are interested in being more that friend if you want you can tell her my story best of luck thanks bro.. but i did tell her how i feel and she said she was closest to me.. but she NEVER had feelings for anyone.. (she was always between 2 guys as “besfriends”, me and this other guy, i was the “nice one”, he was the messed up one..he got mad @ her for no reason.. then nice..) she ended up talking to me one whole sem..sometin went wrong.. then she talked to him one whole sem.. and boom.. went on for 2 years.. im in the position where the guy made her lose his trust.. and now me n her talking again and gotten closer again.. (but she did tell him that he was her bestfriend this last sem..when there was a misunderstanding between me n her last sem..it was rough) so we talk now any ideas bro? ---
**Author:** ![falcos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/falcos/32/1189_2.png) [@falcos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/falcos)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 8:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-the-nice-guys-miracle/36626/9 "2010-03-01T08:37:43Z")
Well If you seeking for advice… seekingforadvice 🙂 , mine will have to be … be the men. Dont give her everything for free. Show her that she hurt your feelings and everything is not the same. Try to have things with other girls so when she asks you out you say… sorry I already set this up with X, maybe next time. She has to know, that she has to fight for you, or else you will end up in the same position again. At least in my experience, the jerk takes all. The meaner you are the more she will come for you. Give always the minimum so she mantains interest, and then say no sometimes. Until she insists again, and she will tell you change. You end up saying at some point … well its thanks to you, I grow up, and then boom. She will grab you. At least this is what happened to me. Having other girls around you is fulcral, she needs to be feeling menaced, but first you have to give a little, so she thinks she has you, but only a little. ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-the-nice-guys-miracle/36626/10 "2010-03-01T22:32:31Z")
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