# Pheromones to Treat Depression **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [December 19, 2005, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65 "2005-12-19T21:49:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2005, 9:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/1 "2005-12-19T21:49:40Z")
I’d like to make a mix for a depressed female in here 50s I’m weary of using A1 because of the negative effects on males but would like to use it because it may make her feel better. Nol seems like an obvious add in although since she’s got an ability to engage in neurotic chattines already, maybe I’d have to be careful. I think I’d refrain from adding much Beta Nol… I’ve got some TAK, TAH and TAL, too. I plan on mixing with Anise, since women have scored the good and plenty scent favorably. A note: I don’t see this as a cure all. Hopefully it will provide some comfort. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 12:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/2 "2005-12-20T00:50:44Z")
> [@Futurist](#): > > I think I’d refrain from adding much Beta Nol… > > A note: I don’t see this as a cure all. Hopefully it will provide some comfort. is it someone you are close to? why not use the Beta Nol yourself when you see her and then listen for clues to find the real reason behind her depressed state. having a friend around that will listen without passing judgement or giving directions might be all she needs? whatever you choose i hope it works out, depression is a bitch. **Essential Oils for Depression** [http://www.ehow.com/images/step.gif](http://www.ehow.com/images/step.gif) **Steps:** 1. Use a blend of bergamot, geranium and melissa to uplift your spirits. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/3 "2005-12-20T12:25:37Z")
> [@josef](#): > > is it someone you are close to? why not use the Beta Nol yourself > when you see her and then listen for clues to find the real reason > behind her depressed state. having a friend around that will listen without passing judgement or giving directions might be all she needs? > > whatever you choose i hope it works out, depression is a bitch. > > **Essential Oils for Depression** > > [http://www.ehow.com/images/step.gif](http://www.ehow.com/images/step.gif) > > **Steps:** 1. Use a blend of bergamot, geranium and melissa to uplift your spirits. I’m not going to use it on myself as I want her to have something for herself. I’ve done plenty of listening and know the reasons for the depression. Thanks for the EO tips. I’ve given her lavender and another calming one before. Right now, the only eo’s I have in large quantities are Patchouli and Anise, so I’m going with Anise. I actually meant to order Clary Sage and ordered Patchouli by accident. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 10:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/4 "2005-12-20T22:52:07Z")
Oh _definitely_ order Clary Sage. Also, as far as EOs are concerned, ylang and something minty, like bergamot or eucalyptus, or just even spearmint have this fantastic warming effect. If you’re looking for something to cheer her up, I seriously have to shout this, USE TAL! Ive been out testing that molecule a whole lot, and this is what I usually tell people when I have to describe it: “You can hit me with a baseball bat straight in the gut, and it will _shatter_” I get this giant self esteem boost that is totally noticable everywhere I go. So that’s a definite recommend. You don’t need way too much, either. I’ve been doing slammin’ with 10 mcg. So you wanted to make her her own perfume, or what? Here’s a good idea: if it’s to treat her depression, honestly, _make bath stuff._ Chicks luxuriate themselves in the tub. Makes us feel a ton better. (all those movie stereotypes… they’re _true_. At least somewhat 🙂) Stir some EOs and pheros into a bath salt, give her a couple “servings” as a gift, and she’ll be swimming in dreams for hours. I’m putting my fist down on this one, Futurist. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2005, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/5 "2005-12-20T23:07:14Z")
Yes, m’am! I’ve actually gotten her bath salt before… Hmmm. I guess I can make TAL the lead component. The Jasmaniac rocks! ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2005, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/6 "2005-12-21T10:56:21Z")
Hi Jasmin are you at liberty to tell us what kind of hits TAL seems to give other than a giant self-esteem boost? Does it work for self-esteem for men too? I am excited by all these new mones 😃! Thanks Visionary > [@Jasmin](#): > > If you’re looking for something to cheer her up, I seriously have to shout this, > > USE TAL! > > Ive been out testing that molecule a whole lot, and this is what I usually tell people when I have to describe it: > > “You can hit me with a baseball bat straight in the gut, and it will _shatter_” > > I get this giant self esteem boost that is totally noticable everywhere I go. So that’s a definite recommend. You don’t need way too much, either. I’ve been doing slammin’ with 10 mcg. ---
**Author:** ![Aurelie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aurelie/32/1914_2.png) [@Aurelie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aurelie)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2005, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/7 "2005-12-21T19:44:57Z")
Hi Futurist! I find Lavender-Vanilla to be very soothing. We like it alot. The nice thing about it is that it is available in the aromatherapy line of Bath and Body works. Ready-made lotions and potions! But soothing does not necessarily lift depression. Any way you can get her to join you in some work-out classes? I survived divorce that way. And lost 20 lbs in the process as well! Nothing like that to boost someone’s morale! Or dance classes would be even more fun! Playing a CD with my favorite (upbeat) songs LOUD always lifts me up too. I’ll find myself dancing all by myself in the house! 🙄 As far as [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) are concerned I seem to get a definite boost from a nol/rone mix. What has also helped me in the past is to focus on one day at a time. Make each and every day a new start and vow to make it the best day I can. I gives me a sense of satisfaction when the day is over and it helps me to put things into perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2005, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/8 "2005-12-22T01:40:32Z")
There’s a lot of health issues, childhood issues, lot of crap behind it. I have given her lavender a few times. I might just add some rone in there… ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2005, 4:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/9 "2005-12-22T04:27:42Z")
> [@](#): > > are you at liberty to tell us what kind of hits TAL seems to give other than a giant self-esteem boost? Does it work for self-esteem for men too? I have _no idea_ what effects men would get wearing TAL. No feedback, yet! I know I’ve only seen a few of them go out, and of those few not many of them were to men. In short, this is what I see from TAL (on me): - GIANT self esteem boost = people treat me like a princess - a slight kind of authoritative signal I guess I would be ROUGHLY something like Samantha in Sex in the City. Or a Cosmopolitan woman: The Fun, Fearless Female. I’ve been tryign to differentiate between TAH and TAL, too. So far I think it looks like TAL “puts the foot down” and TAH is slightly more graceful? Still out to lunch on this one. I’ve been blogging about both of them _extensively_ at [pilot.pheromoneblogs.com](http://pilot.pheromoneblogs.com) Oh, Ive also noticed that high doses of TAL (in the 25+ mcg range) make people _sing songy_ around you. They don’t necessarily talk to _you_, but they’ll talk amongst _each other_ in a very very 50s “Its a Wonderful Life” Jimmy Stewart way. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/10 "2005-12-23T02:13:14Z")
Menopause age, right? Did she get a hysterectomy yet? I guess my earlier post didn’t go in. Androstadienone, TAL, TAH, Sclareol, ANOL Bunch of pheromones that boost women’s moods! Also teach her how to take control over her own mind, and consciously disassociate painful memories (especially if she keeps remembering them automatically), and enlarge resourceful ones. Let her know that her mind is like a movie, and it’s up to her to direct it. Lighthing, music, position, it all has an enormous impact, just it does in movies. You can turn a scene happy or sad within seconds with the right lights (or lack thereof) and music. Same thing with her mind. It’s vital to teach those who are depressed to “direct their own heads”. Depressed people usually feel that they have no choice, and they’re out of control. That’s generally not the case. While there is often a physiological component, there’s TONS that can be done with self-awareness and just putting your thoughts in a happier frame… and engaging in behaviors that happy people engage in. Too often people are stuck in self-deprecating cycles. Model the inner and outer actions of happy, successful people can help a ton. It’s a vital part of the puzzle. ---
**Author:** ![Futurist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@Futurist](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Futurist)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/11 "2005-12-23T13:08:54Z")
Too bad about the earlier post but thanks for this one. I believe she’s past menopause, not certain and don’t think she got a hysterectomy. Since she’s not just in emotional pain, but physical pain, it’s kind of hard for her to take control over her mind. Actually, she’s in the process of receiving medical treatment right now for something that might be fueling her anxious way of thinking. Sclareol can have some negative effects, right? Narcotic like I believe I even heard not to drive using clary sage. I certainly like the way it makes me feel though. It will be interesting to see if a mix will help. > [@MHarris](#): > > Menopause age, right? Did she get a hysterectomy yet? > > I guess my earlier post didn’t go in. > > Androstadienone, TAL, TAH, Sclareol, ANOL > > Bunch of pheromones that boost women’s moods! > > Also teach her how to take control over her own mind, and consciously disassociate painful memories (especially if she keeps remembering them automatically), and enlarge resourceful ones. Let her know that her mind is like a movie, and it’s up to her to direct it. > > Lighthing, music, position, it all has an enormous impact, just it does in movies. You can turn a scene happy or sad within seconds with the right lights (or lack thereof) and music. Same thing with her mind. > > It’s vital to teach those who are depressed to “direct their own heads”. Depressed people usually feel that they have no choice, and they’re out of control. That’s generally not the case. > > While there is often a physiological component, there’s TONS that can be done with self-awareness and just putting your thoughts in a happier frame… and engaging in behaviors that happy people engage in. > > Too often people are stuck in self-deprecating cycles. Model the inner and outer actions of happy, successful people can help a ton. It’s a vital part of the puzzle. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2005, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/12 "2005-12-27T21:09:26Z")
> [@Futurist](#): > > Too bad about the earlier post but thanks for this one. > > I believe she’s past menopause, not certain and don’t think she got a hysterectomy. If she’s not past it, that’s significant. > [@Futurist](#): > > Since she’s not just in emotional pain, but physical pain, it’s kind of hard for her to take control over her mind. Very significant, as well. Physical pain doesn’t exactly make for a chipper mood! > [@Futurist](#): > > Actually, she’s in the process of receiving medical treatment right now for something that might be fueling her anxious way of thinking. > > Sclareol can have some negative effects, right? Narcotic like I believe I even heard not to drive using clary sage. When ingested, sure. I often see aromatherapists include data from ingestion. I’ve seen very few actually go through the effort of smelling (or wearing everything) and describing the actual effects of oils. It’s unfortunate that most books (and web pages, especially) are incestuous and inaccurate. It’s sad that it’s really the bulk of them. I’ll take aromatherapy info from people who actually use the oils anyday over people doing D level school projects. > [@Futurist](#): > > I certainly like the way it makes me feel though. Exactly! Also, the real scientific studies done on it aren’t negative. > [@Futurist](#): > > It will be interesting to see if a mix will help. Let us know how it goes, and if you want you want IFM. ---
**Author:** ![Aurelie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aurelie/32/1914_2.png) [@Aurelie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aurelie)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2005, 11:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/13 "2005-12-27T23:45:48Z")
Hi Futurist, One experience a rule does not make, but I wanted to share this with you. I own [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), even though it is supposed to be a men’s product. So this morning, for reasons I cannot get into I was feeling pretty lousy. Along the lines of a mix of angry and dejected. (No, not cycle related) So I was trying to think of ways of shaking the mood. First I hit my pillowcase but that hurt my wrist, so I only did that once. I couldn’t go work out because I have a work-deadline to meet. Then I remembered a post on here about IFM. Worth a try. Two sprays on my wrists and then conscious smelling/inhaling. This was my first test with this product. About an hour later I went out to the local convenience store (Local - Ha that’s like 20 mintes one way, around here!) I recognized my ex’s truck in the parking lot. Well, by then I was feeling well enough that I literally burst into there saying “Hey it’s a party!”. The kids go nuts, my ex keeps looking at me with this “quizical” look on his face. Like “What is she on?” It was funny. After some time of boisterous loitering in the store, I make my purchase. By then the storeowner has that same enquiring look on his face. Direct, straight eye-contact. So I wish him a good day and breeze out of there. Placebo? Maybe… I’ll try it again next time I have a reason to feel angry and I’ll post the results. 😃 I know this sounds like an odd post, but it did turn my mood around for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 12:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/14 "2005-12-28T00:41:14Z")
Aurelie, do you have a scented IFM? were there any other females around while you were wearing the IFM? ---
**Author:** ![Aurelie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aurelie/32/1914_2.png) [@Aurelie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aurelie)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/15 "2005-12-28T12:52:13Z")
> [@josef](#): > > Aurelie, do you have a scented IFM? were there any other females around while you were wearing the IFM? Yes, I do. Well, some people came and went while we were doing our “boisterous loitering” in the store, but I did not really pay any attention to them. 🙄 I was just in a “super silly” mood, intent on making my little group laugh, and other people where somewhat tiptoeing around us. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/16 "2005-12-28T15:29:29Z")
> [@Aurelie](#): > > Yes, I do. > > Well, some people came and went while we were doing our “boisterous loitering” in the store, but I did not really pay any attention to them. 🙄 I was just in a “super silly” mood, intent on making my little group laugh, and other people where somewhat tiptoeing around us. Female expression! ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 3:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/17 "2005-12-28T15:30:48Z")
> [@josef](#): > > Aurelie, do you have a scented IFM? were there any other females around while you were wearing the IFM? Yeah, Aurelie, what does your IFM smell like? I wasn’t involved in the making of the last batch. You did get the “men’s version”, though. I know that. ---
**Author:** ![Aurelie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aurelie/32/1914_2.png) [@Aurelie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aurelie)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 3:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/18 "2005-12-28T15:43:13Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Yeah, Aurelie, what does your IFM smell like? I wasn’t involved in the making of the last batch. > > You did get the “men’s version”, though. I know that. It has pretty much the same smell as my other products. Maybe less of the sweet component. Vaguely reminiscent of hay? I did notice a stronger “alcohol” smell upon initial application though, compared to my other stuff. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/19 "2005-12-28T16:01:27Z")
> [@Aurelie](#): > > It has pretty much the same smell as my other products. Maybe less of the sweet component. Vaguely reminiscent of hay? > > I did notice a stronger “alcohol” smell upon initial application though, compared to my other stuff. Wow, the goat comment from josef I can sort of understand. Now the pheromones are remiscent of hay you. _Well, hmmm!_ Gotta check the formulation notes I left on this his one! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-to-treat-depression/65/20 "2005-12-28T19:40:19Z")
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