# Pherone M-11 initial impressions **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 24, 2008, 9:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218 "2008-11-24T09:12:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rockaway](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rockaway/32/2437_2.png) [@Rockaway](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rockaway)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 9:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/1 "2008-11-24T09:12:27Z")
Hey guys, I’m new to the forum and haven’t received any products that are popular on this forum yet since I’m just a noob, but I thought I’d share my experiences so far with my recently purchased Pherone M-11 that eventually led me to this forum. I posted this in intros but figure not too many people look at that too closely, so thought I’d repost here. Quick review of my results for the Pherone M-11. I realized the other day I had been putting on way too little because I had misunderstood the instructions (barely put on any really), but now have increased it to a starter dosage of 1-2 drops. The results are pretty good, my lady couldn’t stop smelling me the other day, although I had used the same cologne I typically use around her previously but with the M-11 over it. It totally got her “in the mood” and led to some wild fun. She kept accusing me of seducing her, haha. She loves it. Judging from my lady’s reaction, the Pherone M-11 really does work effectively. She has had this response more than once to it, but was never into taking that many whiffs of the cologne by itself previously. I’ve also noticed a lot more women making eye contact at work and giving smiles, but have not yet achieved what I am looking for with it (due to lack of dosage I think from my misuse, so will see with more experimentation or with new products). I have noticed though that the other day I was talkin to this lady at the office and she stopped everything she was doing to have an at length conversations with me that I had no intention of having. She maintained lots of eye contact and was very focused on me and having a meaningful conversation. This lady is married and much older, but I was surprised at this because she seemed busy and I had only wanted to get a quick answer on something and leave. If it means anything, I was sweating a bit when I was in her office because I was hot from running around doing stuff previous to going in there. Does sweat project [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) a bit better? Some more general questions from a noob: how do smells in the environment affect pheromones? particularly, what effect does a cigarette smoke filled room have on pheromone detectability? what about effectiveness in the outdoors? What exactly is the “range” of pheromone detectabilty? More reports to come as I experiment with the Pherone and try the various Androtics products! ---
**Author:** ![josef](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/josef/32/2007_2.png) [@josef](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/josef)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 9:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/2 "2008-11-24T09:39:17Z")
never heard of or tried M-11 so i don’t have a clue what it contains but thanks for sharing the info. as for the environment questions, i think i read somewhere that dogs detect every scent in the room where humans can only pick out the most dominant ones. smokers in general have terrible sniffers (if they can smell anything at all, they sure can’t taste anything) , pheros lose a significant amount of effectiveness if you are outdoors, for optimum results i think you should be in a walled in space, without a fan and probably within say 6 feet of your intended target(s). ---
**Author:** ![TheCoop](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoop/32/1547_2.png) [@TheCoop](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoop)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 11:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/3 "2008-11-24T11:00:59Z")
Hello Rockaway, thanks for that report on m-11 it was very interesting, I work in a large Indian casino where smoking is allowed. I get very warm and I am hot blooded anyway, so I tend to sweat a lot at work. So I am glad you raised these questions about environment, What I have observed is that the smokers do seem to respond, however, I have to be in their personal space a little longer than the people who don’t smoke, to see any effect. Now I am still relatively new to this, but I believe there has been some controversy over how the brain, detects the pheros. It should be that the vno picks up the molecules and sends a signal via nerves, then I seen reports suggesting that the vno, is now a defunct vestige and that somehow we pick it up thru our normal sense of smell,if we pick it up at all, I for one know pheros work, the nay sayers can bite me. I would believe being an ex smoker, that if the vno did not work and we picked up pheros thru regular scent, smokers would have little to no response at all. But I get just as many hits from smokers as the non smokers, what appears different for some reason, is the distance between me and the target. Maybe this is due to a build up of tar, something like on a smoke filled barroom wall. When I am in room of non smokers, I seem to get looks from across the room, when I am around smokers it seems, I must be much closer to the target. I think that pheros might be detected thru more than one method, vno and regular olfactory senses. I could be totally wrong about this, just appears this way to me, but I am new to this. Now about the sweating, when I sweat I can smell the pheros coming off me, I have had women look at me and say, wow you are really sweating, take a big sniff and then just stay close to me until I leave the area. They usually become very talkative,relaxed and happy, I can see a pleased look in their eyes, when they see me come into their work area. I hope this is helpful, their are a lot of people who know a lot more about the science aspect here. you might want to take a look at the [pheromone](https://a314.com/) theory posts. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![perronec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/perronec/32/1280_2.png) [@perronec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/perronec)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 2:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/4 "2008-11-24T14:31:39Z")
## cut and pasted from the front page of their site. Pherone Formula M-11(which we call “Balanced Attraction”) was originally designed as a man’s formula, because it contains androstenone, but in our research we have found that lesbians who describe themselves as more “butch” have had success with this combination. Formula M-11 contains a blend of pheromones which cause women to feel relaxed and happy, and increases your attractiveness. The combination of excitement and relaxation is very effective. The androstenone in M-11 also adds an aura of authority. Since this formula includes 1mg of androstenone, some caution is advised – androstenone attracts attention but, if too much is used it can attract the wrong kind of attention, and can make the wearer seem overbearing or threatening. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 2:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/5 "2008-11-24T14:38:43Z")
yeah pherone is one of the more reputable companies outside of the “big 2” pheromone wise. V5 is a good social product, perhaps similar to IG or WAGG. M11 is the other popular one there, there adrostenone buzz product. they wont list there ingredients though??? or they list some but dont go into specific information. ---
**Author:** ![Rockaway](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rockaway/32/2437_2.png) [@Rockaway](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rockaway)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/6 "2008-11-25T03:49:49Z")
Who exactly are the “big 2”? Where can I find more information on Pherone products from actual users? Before I bought it I couldn’t find anything in terms of substantial user reviews. A search here yielded nothing substantial either. I put in my order for several products last night, so this is mostly for intellectual curiosity to compare with the products offered by Androtics. Having substantial user reviews definitely puts me more at ease. Eagerly awaiting arrival of my shipment! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![TheCoop](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thecoop/32/1547_2.png) [@TheCoop](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCoop)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 4:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/7 "2008-11-25T04:19:59Z")
No worries about androtics they have the real deal products, the service is awesome in every way. I have never dealt with a company so consumer friendly, I have bought from another company once and I will never make that mistake again. I know I sound like an infomercial, but my experience has been so good with this company. Anyway best of luck in your phero adventures. ---
**Author:** ![yenny520](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b77776/32.png) [@yenny520](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/yenny520)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/8 "2008-11-25T04:57:31Z")
never tried before but I like the v-5, The effects are subtle and it improves the mood of people around me like spaceland when in great quantities, I know it works because a year ago I clumsily dropped a bottle and broke it 🙂 in my bedroom, the smell was strong (a really delicious musk scent for me but most people cant smell it for some reason) the bottle was new but I don’t regret it because I invited some girls after and great night it was… 🙄 lot of fun hehehe I bought it along with the d-17x for a discount price, but beware!!! its very strong, I dared to use 3 drops (test OD) at the first time to pickup some girl at college but instead I got a blackeye from her jealous alpha-male boyfriend, and worst of all it smells like pig piss! it needs a lot of cologne to mask it ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/9 "2008-11-25T07:29:14Z")
I’ve never tried there product so I cant say much about it, but the math does NOT add up. Their claiming they have 5 mg (1000 mcg per every 1 mg). That’s an awful lot of Androstenone for anyone. Even at one drop that would be about 7 mcg of -none. At that price ($39.95) it’s really cheap which makes me question the source of the -none itself. I do know that farmers can get pig -none pretty cheap though 😉. Here’s another looming question right from the OP: > [@](#): > > I realized the other day I had been putting on way too little because I had misunderstood the instructions (barely put on any really), but now have increased it to a starter dosage of 1-2 drops. At 26 7 mcg is a lot of -none, but two drops means 14 mcg and that is way crazy. I’m not saying it can’t be done, and lord knows I’ve done it, but its an incredible amount of -none. I think I’ll buy some to see what it does. It will be tough to pull myself away from [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) though ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/10 "2008-11-25T10:03:32Z")
Actually I do have all there products from the ladies section and they work well. You can look at reviews on [amazon.com](http://amazon.com). They sell it there. There a relatively small company and dont make exaggerated claims. I like them. There stuff dosnt pack the same punch as Androtic products but they are in my top 5 mone products. By the way M-11 has 1 mg of anone in it not 5mg. 5 mg of total mone content. Thats about 1.25 mcg 's of anone per drop. 2 drops for our 26 year old and thats 2.5 mcg of anone per drop. You would probably need more due to slower diffision. 3 to 4 drops maybe more. You probably find that you use more so you go through the bottles faster so they may be cheeper but still not as cost effective as here. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/11 "2008-11-25T11:30:19Z")
yeah i think there legit…not too many reviews about there stuff, except for [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com), but can those reviews be trusted??? i learnt about Pherone’s V5 through reading Nbully’s blogspot, and he liked the stuff. should be worth checking out. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/12 "2008-11-25T11:31:34Z")
by the “big 2” i meant the big 2 websites, not companies - here and LS ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/13 "2008-11-25T17:56:25Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Actually I do have all there products from the ladies section and they work well. You can look at reviews on [amazon.com](http://amazon.com). They sell it there. > > There a relatively small company and dont make exaggerated claims. I like them. There stuff dosnt pack the same punch as Androtic products but they are in my top 5 mone products. > > By the way M-11 has 1 mg of anone in it not 5mg. 5 mg of total mone content. > > Thats about 1.25 mcg 's of anone per drop. 2 drops for our 26 year old and thats 2.5 mcg of anone per drop. You would probably need more due to slower diffision. 3 to 4 drops maybe more. You probably find that you use more so you go through the bottles faster so they may be cheeper but still not as cost effective as here. > > Tisha I admit that I was wrong with my math. It’s even worse than I thought. 1 mg = 1000 mcg. My calculations were based on 30 mL and from the looks of it there bottles are 10 mL. In all of Ammo there is only 1500 mcg. The -none content alone of Pherone 10 mL bottle would be closer to 30-40 mcg per drop. If someone would care to comment on the math it would be very helpful. I like to call it as I see it and there math claims are off by a long-shot. Sorry the math does not add up, and I am not very good at math. I don’t know the company or their products and have never used them before. On Amazon they don’t have a very good rating, but I want to give them a fair shake, so I went ahead and bought the bundle. I will give my review when it arrives. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/14 "2008-11-25T20:37:38Z")
Man you know how I hate math but if you want exact numbers instead of off the top of my head math… LOL M-11 has 5 mg of total mones in it. 1 mg is anone. which is 1000 mcg’s Its a 10 ml bottle, 1 ML is about 25 drops of product. 10 ML is 250 drops of liquid. 1000 mcg divided by 250 = 4.0 mcg of anone . They suggest 1 to 2 drops or dabs. You could OD if you use to much. By the way I dont know why I thought the mens was oil base, Its alcohol but the womens is a tad bit thick and oil like probably due to the copulins. I did the other calculations in my head before so I was off a little. 🙄 The diffusion is still a factor. I have all the womens products and the scent dosnt diffuse well like products here. I would not say its the best I have used, That honor belongs here but its in the top 5 in my opinion. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/15 "2008-11-25T20:59:28Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Man you know how I hate math but if you want exact numbers instead of off the top of my head math… LOL > > M-11 has 5 mg of total mones in it. 1 mg is anone. which is 1000 mcg’s > > Its a 10 ml bottle, 1 ML is about 25 drops of product. 10 ML is 250 drops of liquid. > > 1000 mcg divided by 250 = 4.0 mcg of anone . They suggest 1 to 2 drops or dabs. You could OD if you use to much. By the way I dont know why I thought the mens was oil base, Its alcohol but the womens is a tad bit thick and oil like probably due to the copulins. > > I did the other calculations in my head before so I was off a little. 🙄 The diffusion is still a factor. I have all the womens products and the scent dosnt diffuse well like products here. > > I would not say its the best I have used, That honor belongs here but its in the top 5 in my opinion. > > Tisha HAH! I told you your math sucked 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/16 "2008-11-26T01:28:47Z")
My first calculation was closer then yours was, You said 30 to 40 mcg of anone. I had my brother Mikey, check it (my math) and its 4.0 mcg per drop Naaa Naaaaa [http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36\_6\_3.gif](http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZKxdm021NUUS) Tisha 😉 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rockaway](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rockaway/32/2437_2.png) [@Rockaway](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rockaway)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 7:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/17 "2008-11-26T07:42:57Z")
I don’t really understand the math you are doing so don’t really know what that means. For comparison purposes, how much is in a couple sprays of Ammo? I bought it just for the heck of it to try since I found that product before I stumbled onto this site. In further searching online though, I think the V-5 is the one that most people like of their brand. In any case I ordered several products from here that I should be receiving in time for testing this weekend so I’ll see how it stacks up. I am expecting very positive results. Will be interacting a lot with friends from college this weekend and definitely hitting up a club somewhere in LA, so lookin forward to it 🙂 Much better test lab than the work place. I put on 3 drops today and covered it w/ some Acqua di Gio and didn’t really notice too much out of the ordinary. For some reason I was sweating a lot today, but I don’t know if that was related or if it was just hot in the office. I added another 2-3 drops around 5 hours later without any cover (meant to do just one but more spilled out). Nothing substantial to report other than seeing my girl after work again and having her smell my wrists and neck almost immediately. I think she warms up a bit more quickly since I have stared using pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 8:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/18 "2008-11-26T08:09:21Z")
Yeah well my 30-40 was a typo. It was supposed to 3-4 and that means once again: STEVE reigns supreme. Hah! Rockaway, there is nothing wrong with experimenting with stuff. I was actually interested enough where I bought my own. It should ship tomorrow. I always question what is out of the ordinary though, as I’m a Virgo and as such a perfectionist. 4 mcg per drop is a lot of none and that’s what got me thinking how a drop could be to little. That’s what doesn’t add up. Ammo has 2.5 mcg per spray, M-11 has 4 mcg per drop. It’s just a lot of -none that’s all. Not a knock on the product, other than a legitimate question on the math. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 9:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/19 "2008-11-26T09:44:07Z")
I agree with Steve, not about the supreme stuff (snort) but about experimenting with whats out there. I do it to. But 9 times out of 10 it just makes me appriciate Androtics all the more LOL Its still fun though. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![yenny520](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b77776/32.png) [@yenny520](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/yenny520)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218/20 "2008-12-06T04:25:46Z")
V-5 smells sooo nice, I wonder what kind of pheromones it has??? any guess? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pherone-m-11-initial-impressions/23218.md?page=2)