# pheroproof w/ other products?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 28, 2007, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869 "2007-05-28T07:22:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bblder](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bblder/32/591_2.png) [@bblder](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bblder)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/1 "2007-05-28T07:22:29Z")
Pheroproof and ammo are very similair products- but ammo is used in mixes where as pheroproof is reccomended as a standonlone product. From reading it seems phroproof has been positivly used in conjunction w/ Alpha A314. Is there any other mixes that have had positve results w/ pheroproof??? ---
**Author:** ![Helix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/helix/32/1270_2.png) [@Helix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Helix)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 7:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/2 "2007-05-28T07:26:19Z")
ammo doesnt have to be mixed it is great standalone also as pheroproof altho i havent tried pp so i wouldnt know for sure. PP im sure would be fine to mix with other stuff aswell just make sure u know what u r doing and what alrdy is in PP so u dont go overboard on a single [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) or cancel the other out as much. ---
**Author:** ![bblder](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bblder/32/591_2.png) [@bblder](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bblder)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 7:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/3 "2007-05-28T07:30:43Z")
> [@Helix](#): > > ammo doesnt have to be mixed it is great standalone also as pheroproof altho i havent tried pp so i wouldnt know for sure. PP im sure would be fine to mix with other stuff aswell just make sure u know what u r doing and what alrdy is in PP so u dont go overboard on a single pheromone or cancel the other out as much. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) & proof are sold as standonlone’s but i’ve seen countless mixes w/ ammo and hardly any w/ pheroproof. I would think something like p79 would go good w/ pheroproof cause i’ve read posts saying pheroproof can be subtle. ---
**Author:** ![Helix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/helix/32/1270_2.png) [@Helix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Helix)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 7:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/4 "2007-05-28T07:32:55Z")
p79 would go good with anything ok well maybe not pure none products like tuth in a way unless u wanted major sex appeal lol and scare off young ones. ---
**Author:** ![bblder](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bblder/32/591_2.png) [@bblder](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bblder)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 7:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/5 "2007-05-28T07:38:28Z")
So ur sayin u can basically just substitude proof w/ ammo in many posted mixes to test? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 9:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/6 "2007-05-28T09:42:48Z")
PheroProof, although great as a standalone, is designed to allow for tweaking. It includes a bottle of androstenone to increase the raw sexual edge (mainly for older androstenone deficient men) and a bottle of androstenol to make it more social. It’s a nobrainer, simply start tweaking with the included supplements. I would be extremely careful about simply subsituting PP for Ammo in custom mixes. First, PP is already really heavy on the aggressive masculine [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) such as androstenone. Dumping a bunch of Turn Up The Heat and/or A314 is probably the fastest means to an OD unless you’re really elderly or nearly dead. The included supplemental bottles are very diluted so it’s harder to get youself in trouble compared to NPA, The Edge or TUTH. I can say PP goes well with Shine and A-1 as the raw sensually remains intact with added enhancement. I’ve also used PP with P79 and it seems to prop up its effects a bit and certainly didn’t hurt (P79 smells terrible). A good way to think of PP is an enraged Ammo on steroids. Most of the supplemental mixes for Ammo try to increase its raw sexual and aggressive vibe. PP is all that outta the bottle. Methinks much more rawness will kill it… ---
**Author:** ![omicronau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7feea3/32.png) [@omicronau](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/omicronau)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 11:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/7 "2007-05-28T11:33:23Z")
gegogi, im 21, blood type O, and have seemed to get great results of 4 sprays of PP and 1 to 1.5 sprays of the androstenone included, so maybe im slighty diff? Do you think mixing p79 with my PP instead of the none might yield better results?? and you say the none n nol included with PP are dluted, how diluted? so i know what the max of adding the extra none or nol are. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/8 "2007-05-28T19:16:18Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > P79 smells terrible I can’t smell P79. How bad is it’s smell? Which fragrances seem to cover it well? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 7:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/9 "2007-05-28T19:19:06Z")
Actually Asian men usually can get away with lots of extra androstenone. I can pretty much swim in it with no ill-effects. It seems most of the rest of the world–save older guys–need to be careful about OD. > [@](#): > > and you say the none n Androstenol included with PP are dluted, how diluted? so i know what the max of adding the extra none or Androstenol are. The 30ml bottles only contain 500mcg (.5mg), so that’s pretty weak. Typical chemset supplies of pure pheromones have 20 times the concentration. The dilution is a good thing as dosage is easier to work with. I’m not sure exactly how many sprays are in a 30ml bottle? Maybe 200? If so, that would be 2.5mcg mones per spray. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/10 "2007-05-28T19:21:39Z")
> [@](#): > > I can’t smell P79. How bad is it’s smell? Which fragrances seem to cover it well? It smells like preserved meats, e.g., Polish sausage, or almost like meat farts. After drydown it fades considerably, so it’s only bad at first. So no problem covering it with cologne. ---
**Author:** ![bblder](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bblder/32/591_2.png) [@bblder](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bblder)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2007, 7:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheroproof-w-other-products/3869/11 "2007-05-28T19:58:06Z")
possible good mixes w/ pheroproof- -pheroproof/openness/shine -pheroproof/p79 -pheroproof/[instant sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/)/shine or openess (bet nobodys tried that) -1 spray pheroproof/ 1-2 drops mx-105