# Pheros are "cheating". **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 26, 2013, 7:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429 "2013-06-26T07:19:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![xander2111](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ea5d25/32.png) [@xander2111](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xander2111)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 7:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/1 "2013-06-26T07:19:29Z")
So I was told recently by someone that using [pheromones](https://a314.com/) is morally wrong and is cheating. (I didn’t say that I use them), it was all theoretical. However, this point of view got me thinking. IS it morally wrong to use pheros? I came to the conclusion that “all is fair in Love, War, and business.”, However, I am wondering what you guys think of this. Obviously this a biased community. But I still am curious as to what you guys think about this subject. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 7:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/2 "2013-06-26T07:29:11Z")
For what purpose are you using mones? This is a funny point on ‘cheating’… When people put on perfume… Is it for attraction? If you had a crowd full of people who didn’t shower… but, someone comes into the group showered and smelling fresh… Is it ‘cheating’? What is the purpose of mones? Do the gals complain about the one gal who took an extra hour getting ready for work with detailed makeup and outfit??? Is it ‘cheating’? What about the guy who spends time working out and although may not be ripped, is lean and has a spring to his step. Is it ‘cheating’ because other guys didn’t put the time or effort to do the same? Time and effort… in working out, getting dolled up, or finding out about mones, body language, and social interactions and using those to your advantage?! What is ‘cheating’? ---
**Author:** ![stuttgart-man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/stuttgart-man/32/1615_2.png) [@stuttgart-man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/stuttgart-man)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 7:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/3 "2013-06-26T07:44:54Z")
> [@xander2111](#): > > So I was told recently by someone that using pheromones is morally wrong and is cheating. (I didn’t say that I use them), it was all theoretical. However, this point of view got me thinking. IS it morally wrong to use pheros? I came to the conclusion that “all is fair in Love, War, and business.”, However, I am wondering what you guys think of this. Obviously this a biased community. But I still am curious as to what you guys think about this subject. Using pheromones is morallical wrong because it manipulates other people? Then dressing, using usually fragrance, dye hairs, body language… is morallical wrong too! People tend to being critical against all new things (and pheromones are relatively new). I can remember the time where most people had said “Internet and cell phones are for poser only” ---
**Author:** ![xander2111](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ea5d25/32.png) [@xander2111](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xander2111)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 7:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/4 "2013-06-26T07:49:09Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > For what purpose are you using mones? > > This is a funny point on ‘cheating’… When people put on perfume… Is it for attraction? If you had a crowd full of people who didn’t shower… but, someone comes into the group showered and smelling fresh… Is it ‘cheating’? > > What is the purpose of mones? > > Do the gals complain about the one gal who took an extra hour getting ready for work with detailed makeup and outfit??? Is it ‘cheating’? > > What about the guy who spends time working out and although may not be ripped, is lean and has a spring to his step. Is it ‘cheating’ because other guys didn’t put the time or effort to do the same? > > Time and effort… in working out, getting dolled up, or finding out about mones, body language, and social interactions and using those to your advantage?! > > What is ‘cheating’? I look at it more or less the same way, and I even brought up those examples with the person I was talking to. However, it was still considered different. I have since then asked a large number of people and many of them also agree that it is cheap (though pheromones are many things but). I think it’s all a matter of perspective. So that’s why I asked this community. The one place where all of this does get me, is that pheromones do change “you” to a certain degree. A314 can make you into more of a leader of man. IH can make you more honest. IS can make you a happier person. If you continue to use them. Make up from what I’ve noticed is only icing on a cake. (sometimes there is way to much icing on a poorly made cake) But it doesn’t change you. ---
**Author:** ![lusty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aca169/32.png) [@lusty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lusty)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/5 "2013-06-26T08:35:49Z")
Pheros are not cheating. Sounds biased right on, but this is a game,🆒 and pheros make it interesting. The reactions good or bad make it all worthwhile. If some one does not want to be with you no amount of pheros magic can make it happen. Pheros help melt the barriers, Pheros are the key. But you got to turn the lock and open the door 😉 Play to win. Have been using pheros for the last 2 years or so and it has made the play very interesting. New combos, new mixes, what works with one does not work with the other and so on. Below 50 mix, and over 50 mix. Life is short, live it to the fullest. No cheating here mate, it is all in good spirit.🙂 And hey, the guy who said about women dressing up is right on. You dress well, you cheat ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/6 "2013-06-26T08:51:52Z")
Bang-on Lusty! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 8:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/7 "2013-06-26T08:52:56Z")
What you got me thinking as well is that what is poorly understood is dismissed outright. If people have a warped sense or ‘Hollywood’ view of what mones do to you and others, overriding free will of the person in your mone cloud, well, that’s just silly. Once a person has a grasp of what mones do to them or to others, INFLUENCE, not FORCE, behaviour, then, a more moderate stance will be taken, IMO. Afformations, for example, will only be beneficial if the person using them mentally allows for that change. If they resist that change, the influence will be negligible. We all shouldn’t take lightly the power of our own free will and the force of our mental focus to achieve or resist confluence with others! 1Alpha . > [@xander2111](#): > > I look at it more or less the same way, and I even brought up those examples with the person I was talking to. However, it was still considered different. I have since then asked a large number of people and many of them also agree that it is cheap (though pheromones are many things but). I think it’s all a matter of perspective. So that’s why I asked this community. > > The one place where all of this does get me, is that pheromones do change “you” to a certain degree. A314 can make you into more of a leader of man. IH can make you more honest. IS can make you a happier person. If you continue to use them. Make up from what I’ve noticed is only icing on a cake. (sometimes there is way to much icing on a poorly made cake) But it doesn’t change you. ---
**Author:** ![JKim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jkim/32/1741_2.png) [@JKim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JKim)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 11:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/8 "2013-06-26T11:45:20Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > For what purpose are you using mones? > > This is a funny point on ‘cheating’… When people put on perfume… Is it for attraction? If you had a crowd full of people who didn’t shower… but, someone comes into the group showered and smelling fresh… Is it ‘cheating’? > > What is the purpose of mones? > > Do the gals complain about the one gal who took an extra hour getting ready for work with detailed makeup and outfit??? Is it ‘cheating’? > > What about the guy who spends time working out and although may not be ripped, is lean and has a spring to his step. Is it ‘cheating’ because other guys didn’t put the time or effort to do the same? > > Time and effort… in working out, getting dolled up, or finding out about mones, body language, and social interactions and using those to your advantage?! > > What is ‘cheating’? This should be a poem titled “what is the purpose of mones” 😉 @lusty Amen! So true!! When people play certain online games, some will spend money on the extension packs, on new released characters, or on better equipments/itmes in order enhance their game plays or to get an advantage. Is that consider cheating? Spending cash on online games just like spending money on mones to enhance your social and sexual experience. People have choice to spend money on it. Although some people will do just fine without spending money on online games or on mones, spending it on those stuff can bring interesting experience and fun. So why not use mones when it can bring you such experience? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 12:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/9 "2013-06-26T12:35:47Z")
If pheromones could make people do something they didn’t want to do or change a person the then you could say it would be cheating. However… pheromones don’t do that they enhance. So the person that told you it was cheating were they a female or male ? If its a female ask her if she wears a push up bra, does she use makeup, she work out… its not different really. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![xander2111](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ea5d25/32.png) [@xander2111](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xander2111)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/10 "2013-06-26T13:46:14Z")
See the way I view them and have observed thus far, is that they are alot like alchohal. Many poeple have many different reactions to it. From what I understand it’s the same with pheromones. A mixture that might make one person a image of perfect happieness may make another want to rip your heart out and eat it (yes I over exagerated a fair deal… but I do hope the point is clear from it.) For some people they have less effect and for others it takes miniscule amounts for a large responce. The biggest differences are that with the proper tools we have defined which ones are more likely to make people react a certain way and that when I drink large amounts of booze I simply start being who I really am inside. Pheromones on the other hand add another layer on top of me (in a matter of speaking). playing devils advocate. Working out or being ripped doesnt change who you really are it changes your physical appearance, and though that matters alot…ALOT… it still is slightely different. The abs help attract the flies, but if you only have vinager to offer the flies buzz away. The phermones not only attract the flies, but they also give the flies a taste of honey, making it much easier for you to catch them. They work on a different level do they not? Do note, I am playing devils advocate and using reasons I have heard in the past. To answer Tisha’s question. I did alot of talking about the topic with both guys and gals. Alot more guys agreed with me then girls. Like I said, as far as I see it “All is fair in Love, War and Business.” ---
**Author:** ![Casanova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/casanova/32/621_2.png) [@Casanova](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Casanova)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/11 "2013-06-27T01:22:02Z")
Well although using pheromones at first glance may be seen as cheating and manipulation it’s not. Why you may ask.Because a pure manipulation must put the targeted person in a state in which they are helpless and cannot resist.And if pheromones could do that to a person - they would certanlly be banned as verry dangerous substances (for example put some a314 go to the near store and say like a boss - " give me the cash" - and you get the cash only because of the mones 😃😃😃 ).Actually if you get a girl drunk and have sex with her - it’s bigger cheating and manipulation and you may be held responsible in court of law. Using pheromones on the other hand does not make others uncapable of making rational decisions but rather enhances what’s already there.Think about it.Copulins are very strong attractant pheromones whitch women can use to attract males.But would a 90 years old granny wearing huge amount of copulins make you have sex with her on the spot ( unless u’re into grannies but that’s other thing 😃 )???Most probably you will get horny , go to your girlfriend or even to a hooker and get over with that sexual desire whitch may have arisen.You can also resist it and not have sex even with your girlfriend.It’s up to you.But the point is that only pheromones cannot change your mind.The amplify how you are percieved by the others around you, but only to some extend.Sometimes that help is very important just like the good looks and the good mood on a first date ( and money also attract well on every date 😛 ). Hope didn’t get anyone bored with my little lecture.I just like to talk/write. 😛 Have fun.:)Pheromones are not nasty biotech to get anything you want and people to be like hypnotised zombies…😃 But pheros help alot.😛 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mysterion](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mysterion/32/986_2.png) [@Mysterion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mysterion)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 3:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/12 "2013-06-27T03:25:39Z")
If I had spent 100 bucks just to give my girl a good feeling around me just to have her complain about it, I sure as hell would be pissed and quit using them around her. You may do it for your own purpose, but others benefit more from it than they are manipulated (they’re not at all, merely influenced). Depending on the product, they can feel really calm and at ease which is not only nice, but healthy. Other products, like respect vibe products, are a different story, but I won’t go into that. Overall, many products have a nice arousing effect or just make you feel calm and good. Anyone who complains about that **does not deserve you nor your phero cloud** 😉 Alleged witches got burnt and tortured. Why? Because allegedly, they had something the others did not have, which is apparently considered cheating. That’s how ugly humans are inside. Stand over it, don’t let it faze you. ---
**Author:** ![leon333](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leon333/32/539_2.png) [@leon333](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leon333)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/13 "2013-06-27T19:22:13Z")
well you know what they say.life aint fair! the ones that are better equipped,have the advantage and no this is not cheating.mones only enhance whats already there,its not some vodoo shiet! ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3d9bf3/32.png) [@JohnnyB](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyB)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/14 "2014-09-01T16:19:04Z")
Women wear makeup, men wear pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![Trickster2k5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/trickster2k5/32/437_2.png) [@Trickster2k5](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trickster2k5)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/15 "2014-09-01T17:49:15Z")
Id say pheros are as much cheating as special running shoes for track. Not really cheating. Just gaining an advantage. Am I cheating when I study for a test 5 hrs a day? nope, just giving myself an advantage ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2014, 4:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-are-cheating/59429/16 "2014-09-03T16:22:29Z")
Is it or isn’t it cheating is a stupid question when you realize there were no rules about this in the first place. There was no implied agreement. Reframe this by asking a more intelligent question. Someone put in more effort, an interesting type of effort that other people didn’t think of. What happens when you put in that type of effort, in an unexpected area. I put on this, what happens? How do you feel? There was never any agreement not to do that. being smart and thoughtful enough to wear apply a good phero cloud is quite similar other ways of pleasing the senses of other people visually, acousitically, kinetically, or otherwise. We judge people on how they please us all day long. There is no expectation that they should not do something that would make them come across to us in a way that would be more pleasing than otherwise.