# pheros+test boosting supps=none OD? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 7, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-test-boosting-supps-none-od/9763 "2008-03-07T03:58:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![buzzbomb138](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@buzzbomb138](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/buzzbomb138)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-test-boosting-supps-none-od/9763/1 "2008-03-07T03:58:31Z")
i just purchased some togos of IShine, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), ammo and Turn Up The Heat. I really excited to try these out and already have a target in mind (heh heh). anyways, im really into working out and im gonna start using two supplements that boost natural testosterone levels to enhance strength and muscle mass gains. im getting the pheros hopefully tomorrow, so ill have some time to test em out before running the test boosting supps, but will these supps increase my none output? it seems like it could since they are both androgen related. ill link the supps so u can see what im talking about. anyone got any opinions on this? thanks. ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2008, 4:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-test-boosting-supps-none-od/9763/2 "2008-03-07T04:44:49Z")
I don’t think that it will result in a -none od by adding supplements to your sprays. Just don’t spray more than 2x ammo OR 1x turn up the heat. Don’t combine them when you just start using. After a while, 1x ammo and 1x turn up the heat should be effective and not too much. The supplements probably wont be comparable at all to the phero sprays. And testosterone (in your blood) is different from androstenone (cloud around you). Btw, careful choosing those supps, dont test their new pills especially, I won’t trust many stuff that helps in testosterone dramatically and being safe at the safe time. Just my opinion ---
**Author:** ![buzzbomb138](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@buzzbomb138](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/buzzbomb138)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2008, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-test-boosting-supps-none-od/9763/3 "2008-03-07T05:03:19Z")
> [@mockingbird](#): > > I don’t think that it will result in a -none od by adding supplements to your sprays. Just don’t spray more than 2x ammo OR 1x turn up the heat. Don’t combine them when you just start using. After a while, 1x ammo and 1x turn up the heat should be effective and not too much. > > The supplements probably wont be comparable at all to the phero sprays. And testosterone (in your blood) is different from androstenone (cloud around you). Btw, careful choosing those supps, dont test their new pills especially, I won’t trust many stuff that helps in testosterone dramatically and being safe at the safe time. Just my opinion word dude i hear u about being sketched out about some supps out nowadays, companys will market not yet illegal AAS (steroids) as “natural” supplements, but i know for a fact neither of these is. i forgot to inculde links to them above, but ill do it below. one is an aromatise inhibitor (aromatise is an enzyme that can convert testosterone to estrogen in ur body, it inhibits it, boosting test levels and suppressing estrogen) and the other is a nettle root extract that binds to SHBG (sex hormone binding globin, it binds to ur test in ur blood), making it “free test” (w/o SHBG bound). only “free test” can bind to the androgen receptor in skeletal muscle and trigger protein synthesis “aka building muscle”. basically these products are a 1-2 punch (stopping aromatise boosting total test levels, and stopping SHBG causing all that extra test to be “free test”) for getting bigger and stronger. sorry for the long post, but u can now see these indeed modify ur endocrine output and since both testosterone and androstenone both seem androgen output related, would these boost my natural none output? im only 22… [Bodybuilding.com - Anabolic Xtreme Hyperdrol X2 - Hypertrophic Agent! On sale now!](http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ax/hyper.html) [Bodybuilding.com - Anabolic Xtreme Mass FX - 25R-diol On sale now!](http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ax/mass.html) ---
**Author:** ![The\_GQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_GQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_GQ)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2008, 5:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-test-boosting-supps-none-od/9763/4 "2008-03-07T05:25:43Z")
> [@buzzbomb138](#): > > word dude i hear u about being sketched out about some supps out nowadays, companys will market not yet illegal AAS (steroids) as “natural” supplements, but i know for a fact neither of these is. i forgot to inculde links to them above, but ill do it below. one is an aromatise inhibitor (aromatise is an enzyme that can convert testosterone to estrogen in ur body, it inhibits it, boosting test levels and suppressing estrogen) and the other is a nettle root extract that binds to SHBG (sex hormone binding globin, it binds to ur test in ur blood), making it “free test” (w/o SHBG bound). only “free test” can bind to the androgen receptor in skeletal muscle and trigger protein synthesis “aka building muscle”. basically these products are a 1-2 punch (stopping aromatise boosting total test levels, and stopping SHBG causing all that extra test to be “free test”) for getting bigger and stronger. > > sorry for the long post, but u can now see these indeed modify ur endocrine output and since both testosterone and androstenone both seem androgen output related, would these boost my natural none output? im only 22… > > [Bodybuilding.com - Anabolic Xtreme Hyperdrol X2 - Hypertrophic Agent! On sale now!](http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ax/hyper.html) > [Bodybuilding.com - Anabolic Xtreme Mass FX - 25R-diol On sale](http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ax/mass.html) > [now!](http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ax/mass.html) At your age bro you don’t need it, not to mention Mass FX needs PCT as it’s pretty much an OTC steroid that can mess with your liver and reminds me of the Methyl 17aa oral designer steroids such as Dianabol which go through your liver prior to reaching your bloodstream, they put great stress on your liver and kidneys and can lead to irreversible damage. The things some of these supp companies release and state its “legal” and “safe” can be a joke especially since the prohormone ban and it seems like they are replicating these old versions and calling it a different name on the label and saying its safe to use without PCT (post cycle therapy). If you are looking for natural, safe supplements that will increase your libido, testosterone (although at 22 you’ll be wasting money as your peaking your levels of test), and sex drive look into these posts I made in older related threads: ZMA, Zinc, Tribulus terrestris, Horny goat weed, yohimbe, tongkat ali and Peruvian maca root always are top in my book in terms of natural/herbal ways to help increase libido. For more feeling of blood flow throughout the body look into the amino acid L-Arginine. It’s a precursor of NO2 [aka](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-important-questions/5746#) nitric oxide, a vasolidator which increases vein size and a hemodilator, a blood thinner. Making the blood thinner allows it to flow more freely throughout the body. Many who use an Arginine or Nitric Oxide(N02) also can note better arousals. I used to take L-Arginine for my workouts and the pumps were crazy. Supplements that have Di-L-Arginine-L-Malate as a powder form (best in my experience) are great. There is also Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (tagged as AAKG on many labels). Both are great catalysts for Nitric Oxide. I will now go into a topic that I know many males ponder about and I want to point those who aren’t too sure in the right direction. If you’re in need of a good blend look into Prolab’s Horny Goat Weed for a cheap but very effective blend (Trib terrestris, Maca, Horny Goat Weed, Ginkgo Boloba and Yohimbe are all inside all for under $10). It’s for those skeptics who want to try something but don’t want to shell out big bucks, I mean if $10 can increase your drive and well being I think many have nothing to lose and only things to gain. 😃 If you really want to skip get some plain Maca for $5 from NOW Foods. For the guys who want the premium stuff go for Goliath Lab’s Ejaculoid ($20 or a little less, yes the name states it all, the main experience users have is volume increase. A healthy diet/nutrition is a must on functioning well inside and outside the bedroom. 😉 In addition to a healthy diet, a \*\*\*good \*\*\*\*\*\*multi-vitamin \***and antioxidant formula is also a good idea. The most important nutrient for sexual health is zinc IMHO. Many of the foods traditionally believed to improve sexual function come from the sea. Clams and oysters( as Mohammad mentioned in an older post) have high levels of zinc inside them, which may have been the reason for their reputation as sexual enhancers. Zinc seems to be especially related to male fertility and sex drive. _Low zinc levels may lead to impotence, a low sperm count and loss of sexual interest._ _The health of your prostate_ and _testosterone hormone production may also be influenced by zinc_ and the article and info Mohammad posts about low T levels supports this**. \*\*Increasing Zinc intake from anywhere to 30mg-60mg can also increase your experience. You can choose straight Zinc or ZMA (Zinc Magnesium Aspartate). In closing this post, I would like to state to the males who plan on giving their significant other some upcoming “April Showers” 😉 pineapple juice, grapefruit juice, the adding in of cilantro and cinnamon and the munching of celery are your friend for that aspect. 😉 I’ll be honest, I can care less what anyone thinks of me from making this post, I just wanted to bring more insight and depth to the topic as I would like to hear our male members state they are feeling great from the information and suggestions in this thread. _ **This post solely reflects my opinion and suggestions on this topic, you can take it with all seriousness or with a grain of salt.** _ \*\*\*I hope this helps clear you up on the topic and related topics even though I threw in information regarding the bedroom performance..lol ---
**Author:** ![buzzbomb138](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@buzzbomb138](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/buzzbomb138)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2008, 9:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-test-boosting-supps-none-od/9763/5 "2008-03-07T09:49:10Z")
> [@The\_GQ](#): > > At your age bro you don’t need it, not to mention Mass FX needs PCT as it’s pretty much an OTC steroid that can mess with your liver and reminds me of the Methyl 17aa oral designer steroids > > i know what ur saying w/ AAS being in some supps nowadays, i addressed that already in my above post, but ive never heard anything about mass fx being an AAS. are you referring to the 25R-diol? could u link me any info into this claim? not to be a smartass, id really like to know if so. > > such as Dianabol which go through your liver prior to reaching your bloodstream, they put great stress on your liver and kidneys and can lead to irreversible damage. > > ya i know, i would never do a dbol only, or any AAS cycle, i still got a lot of growing left to do naturally. > > The things some of these supp companies release and state its “legal” and “safe” can be a joke especially since the prohormone ban and it seems like they are replicating these old versions and calling it a different name on the label and saying its safe to use without PCT (post cycle therapy). If you are looking for natural, safe supplements that will increase your libido, testosterone (although at 22 you’ll be wasting money as your peaking your levels of test), and sex drive look into these posts I made in older related threads: > > once again, i know how shady some companies are. there are many oral designer steroids out nowadays being marketing as safe. ive done a lot of research into these and im pretty confident that neither of them is an AAS. > > ZMA, Zinc, Tribulus terrestris, Horny goat weed, yohimbe, tongkat ali and Peruvian maca root always are top in my book in terms of natural/herbal ways to help increase libido. > > im not looking for a libido increase (trust me), im looking for enhanced growth thru elevated androgen levels > > For more feeling of blood flow throughout the body look into the amino acid L-Arginine. It’s a precursor of NO2 [aka](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/guys-important-questions/5746#) nitric oxide, a vasolidator which increases vein size and a hemodilator, a blood thinner. Making the blood thinner allows it to flow more freely throughout the body. Many who use an Arginine or Nitric Oxide(N02) also can note better arousals. I used to take L-Arginine for my workouts and the pumps were crazy. Supplements that have Di-L-Arginine-L-Malate as a powder form (best in my experience) are great. There is also Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate (tagged as AAKG on many labels). Both are great catalysts for Nitric Oxide. > > ya no2 supps are cool, but im not really into pump supps. and if u want something that increases no2 more than arginine on its own, citrulline malate is awesome (see below). i heard aakg is good too. > > [Citrulline Malate (100 grams) By: NutraPlanet](http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/nutraplanet/citrulline-malate-100-grams.html) > > I will now go into a topic that I know many males ponder about and I want to point those who aren’t too sure in the right direction. If you’re in need of a good blend look into Prolab’s Horny Goat Weed for a cheap but very effective blend (Trib terrestris, Maca, Horny Goat Weed, Ginkgo Boloba and Yohimbe are all inside all for under $10). It’s for those skeptics who want to try something but don’t want to shell out big bucks, I mean if $10 can increase your drive and well being I think many have nothing to lose and only things to gain. 😃 If you really want to skip get some plain Maca for $5 from NOW Foods. For the guys who want the premium stuff go for Goliath Lab’s Ejaculoid ($20 or a little less, yes the name states it all, the main experience users have is volume increase. > > once again, i dont want or need something to give me wood/blow a fat load/make me hornier, i just am interested in these supps because ive many reports of others using them w/ great results. > > A healthy diet/nutrition is a must on functioning well inside and outside the bedroom. 😉 > > trust me my diet is impeccable. lifting is a bid part of my life, and i know diet is truly the battle to making gains. my roommates give me shit because i eat the same thing everyday. > > In addition to a healthy diet, a \*\*\*good \*\*\*\*\*\*multi-vitamin \*\*\*and antioxidant formula is also a good idea. **The most important nutrient for sexual health is zinc IMHO.** > > i know all about zinc’s role in test production, and i use NOW ADAM multi, its awesome. (u mentioned using NOW products too) > > Many of the foods traditionally believed to improve sexual function come from the sea. Clams and oysters( as Mohammad mentioned in an older post) have high levels of zinc inside them, which may have been the reason for their reputation as sexual enhancers. Zinc seems to be especially related to male fertility and sex drive. _ **Low zinc levels may lead to impotence, a low sperm count and loss of sexual interest.** _ \*\*\*The health of your prostate \*\*\*\*\*\*and \*\*testosterone hormone production may also be influenced by zinc \ ***and the article and info Mohammad posts about low T levels supports this**. \*\*Increasing Zinc intake from anywhere to 30mg-60mg can also increase your experience. You can choose straight Zinc or ZMA (Zinc Magnesium Aspartate). > > i know, ive got both ZMA and a good multi > > In closing this post, I would like to state to the males who plan on giving their significant other some upcoming “April Showers” 😉 pineapple juice, grapefruit juice, the adding in of cilantro and cinnamon and the munching of celery are your friend for that aspect. 😉 > > lol ya ive heard of “flavoring” your load w/ certain foods > > I’ll be honest, I can care less what anyone thinks of me from making this post, I just wanted to bring more insight and depth to the topic as I would like to hear our male members state they are feeling great from the information and suggestions in this thread. > > ya and i appreciate the concern man, but im not some gym noob that knows nothing about diet, training, supps, whatever and im not just popping some random shit because i heard some big dude say “itll make u huge!” but im interested in those claims u were saying about mass fx being an AAS. please link me any info u have on that. > > basically i just was trying to start a discussion about if these supps could increase my none output because of their androgen modulation. if i could get some more opinions on that would be great. thanks. > > \*\*\*\* This post solely reflects my opinion and suggestions on this topic, you can take it with all seriousness or with a grain of salt. \*\*\*\* > > I hope this helps clear you up on the topic and related topics even though I threw in information regarding the bedroom performance..lol so ya please more discussion about none and this shit. thanks.