# phers more affective day after when not wearing them **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 10, 2007, 8:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043 "2007-08-10T08:16:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jamesmathers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/90ced4/32.png) [@jamesmathers](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesmathers)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 8:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/1 "2007-08-10T08:16:22Z")
I have found that im getting just as good responsed the day after ive applied the IS and [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). Even better actuallya s maybe theres abit of accumulated -none build-up but its not over powering like the feshly applied -none. Anyone else had these experiences? ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/2 "2007-08-10T08:51:18Z")
This topic was treated here some time ago, I don’t remember the thread but try to search “day after” or “when not using” or something like that. I have noticed “better effects the day after” 2 or 3 times only, what can be a coincidence or can be another thing. In that thread was said another possibility, that said people the day after got your real vibe that they’re used to, and not an exaggerated vibe, and they remember when you were like you have always been. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 9:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/3 "2007-08-10T09:12:48Z")
Not for me. I receive the best responses just after applying them. The next day it’s zippo. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 9:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/4 "2007-08-10T09:47:26Z")
Yea I used to get that ‘day after effect’ as well. I was working my way through uni in a casual fast-paced sales job at the time so I could really see the changes in reactions from customers. Sometimes I would receive like massive hits 12+ hours after application (not strictly an ‘entire day’ after I guess). I would OD on -None at clubs the night before lol. Main problem with this was the ‘fleetingness’ and inconsistency - sometimes there would be a 1 hour window where the hits were massive, like 12 hours after application. But after that ‘window’ ended hits were almost non-existent. I felt like I was superman and had just lost my powers.😠 It didn’t always happen, but when it happened the hits were quite wild, especially as I was ODing on None at the time. There seemed to be plenty of sexual reactions from female customers, and I doubt they were all ovulating at the time. **Pretty much everyone was affected by the None in a positive way which is highly unusual for me.** There really is something about the mones sitting in the skin for a while - it creates magic sometimes. Too bad its so brief and damned inconsistent magic! **Androtics should investigate why this happens and perhaps design products that take advantage of this ‘day after affect’ somehow…** -Visionary ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 5:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/5 "2007-08-10T17:03:35Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Yea I used to get that ‘day after effect’ as well. I was working my way through uni in a casual fast-paced sales job at the time so I could really see the changes in reactions from customers. Sometimes I would receive like massive hits 12+ hours after application (not strictly an ‘entire day’ after I guess). I would OD on -None at clubs the night before lol. > > Main problem with this was the ‘fleetingness’ and inconsistency - sometimes there would be a 1 hour window where the hits were massive, like 12 hours after application. But after that ‘window’ ended hits were almost non-existent. I felt like I was superman and had just lost my powers.😠 > > It didn’t always happen, but when it happened the hits were quite wild, especially as I was ODing on None at the time. There seemed to be plenty of sexual reactions from female customers, and I doubt they were all ovulating at the time. **Pretty much everyone was affected by the None in a positive way which is highly unusual for me.** There really is something about the pheromones sitting in the skin for a while - it creates magic sometimes. Too bad its so brief and damned inconsistent magic! **Androtics should investigate why this happens and perhaps design products that take advantage of this ‘day after affect’ somehow…** > > -Visionary It lasted a few hours for me, and were great sexual hits, too. I second your idea of Androtics investigating it! We can do our part ourselves? I suppose i can OD tonight and try to not get my ass kicked 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/6 "2007-08-10T20:37:53Z")
If you’re seeing better results the day after, you’re probably using too much Ammo on the day of the application. Androstenone, one of the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) that make up the mix in ammunition, is a pheromone that has quite a bit of resilience…as it does not seem to break down nearly as quickly as other pheromones, and the effects can last much longer relative to the effects of others. The effect of androstenone will diminish quite a bit by the next day, but it can still produce good hits. If your results are better the next day, chances are you applied an OD amount with the initial application, and the ‘day after’ effects had diminished to your sweet spot (the dosage that produces the best effects). Androstenone OD’s can actually do more harm than good, causing a lot of distance and intimidation. My advice is to lower the amount of AMMO you apply, and up the shine. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/7 "2007-08-10T22:04:33Z")
Oh, the day after hits are so much more better than the fresh application. I have seen that with both -Androstenol (Scent of Eros) as well as -none (Primal Instinct) products. I think with Scent of Eros it was the conversion of androstenol to androstenone as I don’t get that kind of attention from just Scent of Eros. PI day after or day end effects are similar and it works even after a shower for me. The king of delayed effects is however A314. The respect and attraction hits I get in the evening from a morning application of A314 are sometimes just awesome. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/8 "2007-08-10T22:09:03Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > The king of delayed effects is however A314. The respect and attraction hits I get in the evening from a morning application of A314 are sometimes just awesome. Yep, we talked about it in another thread, didn’t we? I don’t get the same effects reaplying A314 than leaving it without reaplying, either. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/9 "2007-08-10T22:18:29Z")
> [@capone](#): > > Yep, we talked about it in another thread, didn’t we? I don’t get the same effects reaplying A314 than leaving it without reaplying, either. 😉 Yeah, I wonder what is causing it though. Maybe the -none shining through in the evening which matches people’s moods at that time, I don’t know. What’s your speculation? ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/10 "2007-08-10T22:22:41Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Yeah, I wonder what is causing it though. Maybe the -none shining through in the evening which matches people’s moods at that time, I don’t know. What’s your speculation? We have always been told that -none in A314 is very low, but we don’t know how low… maybe 4 drops makes 1 mcg of -none? maybe much less? more? I think it has traces, could it be that androsterone has day-after-effects too? Does it convert to -none? There are so many answers we need… Anybody? This is an interesting topic! ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 10:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/11 "2007-08-10T22:33:05Z")
> [@capone](#): > > We have always been told that -none in A314 is very low, but we don’t know how low… maybe 4 drops makes 1 mcg of -none? maybe much less? more? I think it has traces, could it be that androsterone has day-after-effects too? Does it convert to -none? There are so many answers we need… Anybody? This is an interesting topic! Maybe there are some conversions too like you said. I think there might be more -none than just 0.25 mcg per drop although I am not sure. I remember Michael mentioning once that A314 is designed such that it becomes more sexual towards the end of the evening when you go out after work to a social place. But I feel the respect effects (also possibly from -none) not just sexual effects is very amplified too. Like people (both men and women) holding doors for me when I am miles away from the door!! I never see that from a fresh application. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 10:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/12 "2007-08-10T22:40:27Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Oh, the day after hits are so much more better than the fresh application. I have seen that with both -Androstenol (Scent of Eros) as well as -none (Primal Instinct) products. I think with Scent of Eros it was the conversion of androstenol to androstenone as I don’t get that kind of attention from just Scent of Eros. Primal Instinct day after or day end effects are similar and it works even after a shower for me. > > The king of delayed effects is however A314. The respect and attraction hits I get in the evening from a morning application of A314 are sometimes just awesome. I’d say its more from left-over androstenone from Primal Instinct than from Scent of Eros. Androstenol conversion happens far less frequently than most believe. I used to see these ‘day after’ effects with the older androstenone heavy offerings from LS (particularly NPA). Looking at my old phero usage in retrospect, I wore OD levels of androstenone regularly when I was out and about. I use quite a bit less androstenone these days (though I still use more than most), and don’t see day after effects much any more. I’m thinking that my androstenoe doses now are closer to an ideal spot for me. My old mixes called for 3 drops of NPA (about 5 times the androstenone as a single spray of Turn Up The Heat/Ammo). Primal Instinct contains about 20mcg per drop (8 times the androstenone than a single spray of Turn Up The Heat/Ammo). My results back then were far less consistent now than they are now, and I haven’t noticed any day after effects since. > [@nbully79](#): > > Yeah, I wonder what is causing it though. Maybe the -none shining through in the evening which matches people’s moods at that time, I don’t know. What’s your speculation? I think this would certainly be a factor as well. The perception of phero signatures can vary greatly depending on the contextual environment that the pheros are in. High doses of androstenone seem to work well in bars and clubs…anywhere alcohol is involved really. During most day-time encounters, lower doses of androstenone (if any) are more appropriate. High doses create a lot of OD reactions in these settings. Its quite possible that one could wear a high dose of androstenone during a night out and get good results, and carry a diminished androstenone signature the next day, which is close to an ideal level for ‘daytime’ social contexts/environments ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2007, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/13 "2007-08-10T23:41:17Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > I’d say its more from left-over androstenone from Primal Instinct than from Scent of Eros. Androstenol conversion happens far less frequently than most believe. This was not from a combo application of SOE and PI. The day after SOE hits were from wearing SOE alone the previous day. I have found SOE to be most prone to conversion. I haven’t seen such day-after effects from Androtics -nol based products like IO, IH etc. probably because there are some added constituents which help resist conversion and also other components which help make it more diffusive. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2007, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/14 "2007-08-11T02:55:22Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > This was not from a combo application of Scent of Eros and Primal Instinct. The day after Scent of Eros hits were from wearing Scent of Eros alone the previous day. I have found Scent of Eros to be most prone to conversion. > > I haven’t seen such day-after effects from Androtics -Androstenol based products like Instant Openness, Instant Honesty etc. probably because there are some added constituents which help resist conversion and also other components which help make it more diffusive. Makes sense with Scent of Eros now that I think about it. The roller-top bottles had a tendency to pull skin cells, hair, and other contaminants into the bottle, exposing the mixture to quite a lot of bacteria overtime (thus breaking down the androstenol to androstenone). After a couple of weeks, the phero mix grows noticeably cloudy (I’ve gone through at least 5 bottles of the stuff). I’ve noticed diminished effectiveness from an SOE bottle as it gets closer to running out. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/15 "2007-08-11T03:16:21Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Makes sense with Scent of Eros now that I think about it. The roller-top bottles had a tendency to pull skin cells, hair, and other contaminants into the bottle, exposing the mixture to quite a lot of bacteria overtime (thus breaking down the androstenol to androstenone). After a couple of weeks, the phero mix grows noticeably cloudy (I’ve gone through at least 5 bottles of the stuff). I’ve noticed diminished effectiveness from an Scent of Eros bottle as it gets closer to running out. IMHO, oil based pheromones are better being applied from a dropper bottle. This method of applying can prevent contaminations from bacteria, sweat, skin cells, soap residue, etc. Anyway, I’m no expert on pheromones issues…just a stupid opinion from me!:o 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2007, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/16 "2007-08-11T04:57:44Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Oh, the day after hits are so much more better than the fresh application. I have seen that with both -Androstenol (Scent of Eros) as well as -none (Primal Instinct) products. I think with Scent of Eros it was the conversion of androstenol to androstenone as I don’t get that kind of attention from just Scent of Eros. Primal Instinct day after or day end effects are similar and it works even after a shower for me. > > The king of delayed effects is however A314. The respect and attraction hits I get in the evening from a morning application of A314 are sometimes just awesome. Interesting discussion guys! I know what you mean about the great A314 ‘respect hits’ like 10 hours+ after application. I used to get ‘day-after-effects’ (well 12 hours after) from SOE/m scented gel packs mainly and NPA/m as well as PI/m. When I got the SOE ‘day-after-effects’ though it definitely was not Androstenone-like hits. For example, people would become very friendly in a fun manner (as if I hit the sweet spot) - this would happen consistently to pretty much every second customer I spoke to within a 30 minute-1 hour period. Obviously these ones were not Androstenone-like hits (so the SOE gelpack didn’t have its Androstenol convert). I don’t think the ‘day-after-effects’ thing is simply an issue of reaching the Androstenone sweet spot a long time after an OD. Sometimes it may be that but I think there is more to it than that (as can be seen from my above SOE example). Other factors could come into play: perhaps there is some kind of magic that happens when sweat is combined with artificial mones for many hours, perhaps the mones just diffuse in a more natural way? BassMan, an good experienced older poster on LS posted (see below) that he got the best results with mones after he mixed them in his own sweat and aged. Maybe there is something to this method and it is somehow related to the ‘day-after-effects’ hits? **Androtics really should investigate this - it might make for even more effective products…** [http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11566](http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11566) BassMan (September 9, 2004): “…Most pheros work better for me once they’ve mixed with my own sweat and aged. So I apply them lightly over a large area.” ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2007, 5:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/17 "2007-08-11T05:54:43Z")
That could be the reason, after so many hours on your skin, pheros might have mixed well with your own signature and scent and be more “natural” for other people, making it more credible or something like that. Anyway, what happens with -Androsterone after some hours, does it convert? I have noticed much less conversion from -ols in instant line than i had from Come Talk To Me Mix 2, when I applied a -none based mix for clubs and wore lots of CTTM2, I always ended with -none-OD-like symptoms, now I use only Instant Honesty and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) to tame -none for girls and conversions don’t happen (at least as far as I know, I have a shower before going to bed and another one the following day before going out). I think, too, that the most noticeable day-after effects are from -Androsterone at the end of the evening when you applied in the morning, they like you have said are more like a mix of -Androsterone and -none, not so much respect for me like fresh -Androsterone but not definetly only -none. I have noticed too after-day effects (despite I have a shower) from high doses of -none, lets say 16-18 mcg from Androtics either in PP, Ammo, Turn Up The Heat or A314, and they are definetly more friendly than the day before but, tamed with IFM and Instant Honesty, the day before was much much more sexual, the day after seems to be rare like -none reactions but as you had some -nols and TAA on yourself… its strange… Going back to the first statement in this post, that could be the reason why lots of people report greater hits after gym than before, maybe if you mix well artificial pheros with your own ones people believes much more in your signature and their unconscious brain doesn’t disconnect when it receives a strange-and-powerful vibe in you… A good question after this could be, where do all this theories go? Athena usage with androtics pheros? Good point to experiment IMHO. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2007, 6:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/18 "2007-08-11T06:49:13Z")
> [@capone](#): > > That could be the reason, after so many hours on your skin, pheros might have mixed well with your own signature and scent and be more “natural” for other people, making it more credible or something like that. > > Anyway, what happens with -Androsterone after some hours, does it convert? > > I have noticed much less conversion from -ols in instant line than i had from Come Talk To Me Mix 2, when I applied a -none based mix for clubs and wore lots of Come Talk To Me Mix 2, I always ended with -none-OD-like symptoms, now I use only Instant Honesty and Instant Female Magic to tame -none for girls and conversions don’t happen (at least as far as I know, I have a shower before going to bed and another one the following day before going out). > > I think, too, that the most noticeable day-after effects are from -Androsterone at the end of the evening when you applied in the morning, they like you have said are more like a mix of -Androsterone and -none, not so much respect for me like fresh -Androsterone but not definetly only -none. > > I have noticed too after-day effects (despite I have a shower) from high doses of -none, lets say 16-18 mcg from Androtics either in PP, Ammo, Turn Up The Heat or A314, and they are definetly more friendly than the day before but, tamed with Instant Female Magic and Instant Honesty, the day before was much much more sexual, the day after seems to be rare like -none reactions but as you had some -nols and TAA on yourself… its strange… > > Going back to the first statement in this post, that could be the reason why lots of people report greater hits after gym than before, maybe if you mix well artificial pheros with your own ones people believes much more in your signature and their unconscious brain doesn’t disconnect when it receives a strange-and-powerful vibe in you… > > A good question after this could be, where do all this theories go? Athena usage with Androtics pheros? Good point to experiment IMHO. 😉 Good points Capone! I don’t know if Androsterone converts to another pheromone. As for when you applied a -none based mix for clubs and wore lots of Come Talk To Me Mix 2, you might have been OD-ing not because the Alpha-Nol was converting, but because CTTM-M2 doesn’t last very long IMHO - the Alpha-Nol is mostly gone for me within 4.5 hours. Now you use only Instant Honesty and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) to tame -none for girls and conversions don’t happen may be because IFM is great at taming -None reactions (and lasts a hell of a long time for me). IFM + IH is a better tamer of -None probably than CTTM-M2 even if they lasted the same length of time. With regards to the people reporting better hits after going to the gym I definitely agree in my experience. It could also be a skin surface temperature thing - warmer skin is known to help with ‘hits’. Perhaps eating Chillies would help too? Opening up pores + Warmer skin + Increased sweating done together should really ramp things up for both natural pheromone signature and maximising hits from the artificial mones… I would love to hear more about strategically placing the mones on skin many hours before a target environment and generally on the issue of combining sweat and artificial pheromones. Below is another post by Bassman from almost 5 years ago on LS commenting on this topic… [http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?p=33209](http://www.pherolibrary.com/forum/showthread.php?p=33209) BassMan (October 9, 2002): "…Your thinking matches my experience. I get the best results from mones using multiple and broad applications of dilute solution, said applications spaced hours apart. I can smell the changes on my skin. With my particular body chemistry, the changes are almost always towards something that smells _better_ (I get the "boy, you smell good"s largely after things have aged for most of a day). Now here's a theory - I wonder if our individual concentration preferences end up being based on what our skin does to the stuff - it seems like smaller apps of more concentrated solutions would expose the mones to less skin, and therefore, less bacterial action, larger apps of dilute mixes over more skin to more bacterial changes… Since I seem to age in the direction of something useful, I would want to make it age as much as possible. Hmmm… " ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2007, 7:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/19 "2007-08-11T07:12:59Z")
Yep, I have found a-Androstenol less useful than b-Androstenol+[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) to tame -none OD effects… with a-Androstenol you can try to compensate and hide the effects but you notice the bad effects of -none out there although they are not highly present (for example a girl in a club can start talking to you but after a minute she gets nervous and you can’t even touch his arm without making her upset) but IFM + B-Androstenol seems to complement and almost eliminate thouse OD effects leaving the sexual spark, specially if you only wear -none and IFM and specially if your target/s are suffering PMS (in that case IMO you are dead if you wear -none). It would be interesting to see p93 in that situations (high -none and PMS). IFM lasts a lot for me, too, I notice its effects during 8 hours or more, but in my skin, city and weather, CTMM2 doesn’t seem to last more than 2,5-3 hours. I think the armpit trick is based in those two things, more diffussion because of hot and sweat evaporation (I notice much more sweating with -none there) and combinations of own pheros and odors with the artificial ones that (theorically) would make your vibe more credible 😉 It’s clear that your skin changes the scent of any cologne, that’s why people say “every cologne smells slightly different on each person” and your personal skin, bacteria etc, is sure to change your pheros in one or other way but, what kind of effects can we hope from this despite of conversions? What reactions has every different phero after some time mixing with your sweating? It can even depend on your today diet and so on, it’s a very difficult thing to experiment with… ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2007, 2:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043/20 "2007-08-11T14:44:33Z")
I remember Bassman’s reports on l-s and also reports of Josef here who said that he started applying A314 before going to bed if he had an important meeting the next morning. I don’t know about SOE hits. I always thought those to be -none type as I saw head snapping, smiles, DIHL etc. but not the motormouth effects and the hits were surprisingly more from younger women. It just appeared to be a very attractive to women signature. I haven’t seen the same effects with just sweating due to heat and mixing it with pheros. That just seems to diminish the effects for me. That made me think the turbocharged effects were more a results of aging on the skin rather than just mixing with own sweat. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/phers-more-affective-day-after-when-not-wearing-them/5043.md?page=2)