# Pickup Tips for the No-Game-challenge **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [January 6, 2008, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087 "2008-01-06T02:16:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jrafael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jrafael/32/2213_2.png) [@jrafael](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jrafael)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087/1 "2008-01-06T02:16:20Z")
Pickup Tips for the No-Game-challenge This are some extracts from the book “Without Embarrassment” by Michael Pilinski. **When Flirting, think Fun, not Outcome…** Develop the mindset right now that"you are going to flirt for fun’s sake and that’s all. Do not concern yourself with any preconceived notion of what the definition of success ought to be, let Nature take care of that. You’re just playing. It’s never Game 7 when it comes to flirting… it’s always just the preseason. Reject the pressure to “score” from your mind permanently. Stay Alert for all possible opportunities to meet and flirt with women. This requires that you pull your head up out of your ass and see the world in a whole new way. A way full of promising women who could be yours if you only choose it to be so. Think you can do it? **Don’t Let Her Imagined Situation Stop You…** F_ck whatever possible goofy-ass boyfriend might be hanging around in her life. Unless they’re recently married, girls are always shopping for the “Right One”… especially if she’s grown bored with ol’ Johnny boy. There’s no way that you can know what her current relationship status is ahead of time (hell, even her clueless f_ckin’ boyfriend might not know that!..) so you must act like it doesn’t exist. This is how the “pros” do it. It’s a mindset baby, an attitude. ---
**Author:** ![jrafael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jrafael/32/2213_2.png) [@jrafael](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jrafael)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087/2 "2008-01-06T02:32:19Z")
First Non-verbal Contact **Get Caught Looking** … You should always try to make non-verbal contact first by maneuvering yourself into her field of view somehow. When she catches you peeking at her, (a cool, casual checking-out…) hold on for a few seconds and resist the urge to look away. Train for this moment like a prizefighter with dogs, cats, old ladies etc. wherever you get the chance to, so you can begin to defeat the shy ‘look away’ reflex that we all have without having to think about it when you need it most. **Get a Non-verbal Return “GO” Signal** … Women control the meeting & mating enterprise because they are the ones who do all of the actual selecting. What?.. you thought guys carried the burden of making the first move? Guess again. Men simply offer themselves up for inspection, but it’s the female of the species who always makes the choice. That’s what makes this whole event so goddamn terrifying – it’s a test of your value as a man. Your attempt to make contact is really an offer to have yourself so considered. Socially, the unspoken relationship between men and women is very important to understand. Why? Because in the absence of a clear “Come Hither” signal men are almost universally rejected by women. The exception being if the man happens to have extremely good looks, or some other overwhelmingly attractive characteristic (i.e., $$money$$, $$money$$, and, oh yeah, some $$more money$$) that will cause a woman to overlook her normal rule of rejecting the unsolicited advances of a male. If you don’t have these qualities, your ego is nothing more than a hanging softball waiting to be knocked out of the park! What to do? Get a smile or a long eye contact that signal’s she’s interested and willing to listen to your ‘sales pitch’ before moving on her verbally. Protect yourself from a nasty bout of toxic shame and back off with your dignity still intact if you can’t get the proper signal. ---
**Author:** ![jrafael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jrafael/32/2213_2.png) [@jrafael](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jrafael)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 2:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087/3 "2008-01-06T02:40:10Z")
Control You Inner Game **Knock her off her Pedestal.** What the hell do I mean by that? Well, one of your problems is that you’ve built up great looking women to be untouchable goddesses in your mind. This stops you from approaching them because you are in awe of them. It’s like when someone idolizes a celebrity then finally gets a chance to meet the object of their “reverence”. What happens? They freeze up and can’t speak a word! Why? Because the celebrity has been built up to such superhuman proportions in the mind of the adoring fan, that seeing him for real creates a paralyzing overload in his brain and he can’t function in that person’s presence. Sound familiar, bucky? Because attractive women have become nothing more than untouchable fantasy creatures which you only idolize and dream about (especially while working on your crippling case of self-inflicted Carpal Tunnel Syndrome), you can’t face them for real. When you encounter one it’s like you’ve suddenly found yourself in the presence of God Almighty and all you can do is fall to the ground and tremble like some old Biblical prophet. This adoring attitude is a certain trademark of the low status submissive male, the guy that all women (except perhaps the most terrifying fatties) absolutely despise. If they even sense this as being your first non-verbal communication, you are dead before you open your mouth to utter that stupid pick-up line you’ve been working on all week. When you see a smokin’ babe from now on, think of how crappy she must look in the morning disheveled and stinking of sour booze, hungover and make-upless. Imagine how she’ll look when she’s a 60 year old hag if you have to. The idea is not to totally turn yourself off to her, but to snap yourself out of it and realize that she’s only human like you with warts and smelly farts and all the rest of it. The “look” she presents to the world is just her mask. Take the attitude that, not only is she not some goddess that must be worshiped, she may not even be as sexy as she appears once you get to know her. Adopt the outlook that she has to prove herself worthy to you. Yeah she might be a hottie and you’re just an ordinary joe, but that situation could turn right around once both your personalities are revealed to one another. Use whatever mental image you must to take her down a few pegs in your mind before you approach her. This tilts the balance of the “attitude teeter- totter” in your favor. Her status goes down in your mind, while your status as a man goes up in her mind. It works. **WARNING** : Don’t leer at her like some kind of pervert! (And wear baggy pants to conceal your woody!) Practice this mental-fantasy maneuver with a porno mag photo while watching yourself in a mirror so that you can control your expression to the point of showing off just a hint of lust. Remember, women often don’t understand how hot they really are. Your sexual interest in her is flattering as long as it’s done very obliquely. This is a very fine line we’re talking about here… cross it too far and you’re dead. Be Careful… this is a dangerous point for all you self-sabotaging bastards who would like to deliberately crash and burn the seduction and run home to mommy. Men have to be tough… hang in there! ---
**Author:** ![jrafael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jrafael/32/2213_2.png) [@jrafael](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jrafael)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087/4 "2008-01-06T02:52:31Z")
First Verbal Contact **Open Up…** Showtime! A bright, friendly, enticing expression will be the first communication of both your interest in her (as a man) and your availability. Try to keep your eyes locked onto hers, even if you have to use the old “shy salesmen’s” trick of staring at the bridge of her nose (which is impossible to detect by the person being observed as being any different than a straight look in the eye). **Show you are Harmless and Interested…** It’s as easy as saying “hi!”, commenting about a common environmental experience going on around you, or making a light, self-depreciating joke. Just say something non-offensive to get the ball rolling, and remember… Use No Stupid F\*ckin Pick-up Lines… EVER! **Get her to Toss you a LifeLine…** Listen closely. Let her provide you with a safe subject to talk about that is interesting to her. Remember, it’s your dominant male attitude more than your words that makes the greatest impression – because her head will be reeling and she probably won’t even hear what you’re saying anyway! Be naturally curious about her, but not blatantly interrogatory. Pretend that you’re the host of a party and are making the rounds – be informal and at ease like you imagine Hugh Hefner must act at the Playboy Mansion. Ask questions that demand a thoughtful answer instead of a simple yes or no. Give her a chance to open up her thoughts to you. **Exchange names** ; use the Handshake Trick… Rotate to the right. And use her name exactly as she speaks it to you. **Establish rapport** ; seek out common interests to which you pretend to be always agreeable. You like \_\_\_\_\_ (whatever it is she likes ) \_\_\_\_\_ too! Let it be known that you make no excuses for your desires to get to know her… and you don’t feel the least bit ashamed to be doing this (even if you do). IMPORTANT: Don’t come across like a total “me too” lying fake because – unless you’re an academy award winning actor – you don’t stand a chance of pulling it off. Make sure that your interest in a particular topic is genuine, or you’d be better off to just say nothing and press the conversation forward in hopes of finding some other common ground with her that’s more to your liking. Some topics (like for instance shopping… barf…) are just too feminine and you wouldn’t be expected as a normal Don’t trigger all those tired old dating associations by asking for her phone number, or if she’s available, etc., too soon This only sets you up for a reflexive rejection. Instead, ask what she finds most compelling about some aspect of her life, something that makes her think and thus begins to evoke the romantic trance. Find out what’s missing in her life right now – what her dreams are. Talk in a comforting voice and pause at random moments (but don’t overdo the pausing) to get her hanging on your words a little bit. Be fascinated and interested in her… but keep some mystery about yourself in reserve. Focus the conversation on her and only dole out bits and pieces about yourself. Mystery, mystery… mystery! **Always make 'em laugh…** Utilize humor, but always cleverly, gently and with some scarcity (don’t be a non-stop jokin asshole!). Mildly self-effacing (a small joke made at your own expense), or conspiratorial humor (share a laugh about someone or something else in your immediate environment) is always the best application. Humor should be used like a spice… just a little bit makes the food taste great, but if you pour on the whole bottle you’ll gag on it. Two or three light moments is enough – and be sure to never make a joke at her expense like some kind of super-cool asshole. Not everyone understands that you’re joking… especially if your delivery is deadpan (seems serious) or you come off as being aloof or even somewhat cruel. This kind of “humor” is known by psychiatrists as a hostile wit. It’s nothing more than a left-handed way of sticking a dig into someone while trying to seem like your just a joking, lighthearted sort of guy. Very deceptive. Women see through this nasty sh1t like it’s made out of glass. So easy does it! **Give Her a Sincere, Personal Compliment** using her Name ( **but only onetime** and please restrain yourself to her hair, nails, apparel, etc **never ever her body** ). You perform a little bit of social magic merely by honoring her experience of life. Talk with her and get a feel for what her passion is. Then craft a sincere compliment that is unique to her, and deliver it in a way that is cleverly intriguing. The trick is to make it seem as though you were just struck by the notion to tell her this “something” about her that you find so utterly fascinating. Remember, you radiate charisma by making a person feel better about themselves after having encountered you, as opposed to feeling worse. **Begin by observing the “3 A’s”… Appearance, Appliances** (jewelry, tattoos,piercings, hairstyle), and that “air about you” **Ambiance**. You re looking for something unusual about her that really ties into some aspect of her persona which she seems to either be promoting (perhaps unconsciously), or is some central characteristic of her general presentation …and then act a bit embarrassed about it. This will seem cute and disarming! Most people are a bit ashamed to admit to being suddenly smitten by someone. But women find this kind of endearing! ---
**Author:** ![jrafael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jrafael/32/2213_2.png) [@jrafael](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jrafael)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 2:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087/5 "2008-01-06T02:53:01Z")
Deep Complimenting 101… (used to set yourself apart from the average shmuck) 1. Discover a key passion of hers by listening carefully, or… 2. Pick out something about her that she’s trying to show off. 3. Make an off-hand sincere compliment about this characteristic. 4. Never mention it again (trust me, she heard it!). 5. Make no further compliments during this encounter. ---
**Author:** ![jrafael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jrafael/32/2213_2.png) [@jrafael](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jrafael)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087/6 "2008-01-06T02:55:23Z")
**Be a Space Invader…** Invade her personal space briefly to see if she’s feeling any kind of connection with you. If she holds her ground or even leans in, this is a terrific sign! By getting a little physically closer to her, you’re creating a bit of nascent intimacy and demonstrating your ability to focus and give her your undivided attention. Women love this. You’re also allowing her to get a little whiff of you… and you know that the correct scent has a powerful subliminal effect on her, either good or bad. You may as well find out right away where you stand with her biochemically before you waste any more time chasing her, right? **Touch her…** Light touching on the arms, shoulders or upper back forces her to think sexually about you and gives her permission to touch you back if she wishes to ‘up the ante’, so to speak. If she responds favorably, then she is at least somewhat interested and possibly attracted to you. Failure to initiate at least a little bit of casual touching will get you categorized as a non-sexual ‘nice guy’ – and we all know how much we hate him! **Effective Closing \*\* \*\* Exit like Bond, James Bond…** Always quit while you’re ahead and leave some mystery about yourself hanging in the air. Use any reasonable excuse to cut short a first meeting because you simply must be somewhere else (but don’t tell her that it’s to catch the new episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, ok?..), making this the perfect time to ask for her phone number. Now you will experience no shame since the revealing of your affection needs occurs within the framework of being the logical next step to the thrilling sense of connection that you’ve begun to build with her! **Get her Thinking about You when she’s Alone…** That’s right, you’re not even around for this last step! People fall in love when they’re off by themselves. **Love’s an internal process that goes on in the absence of the person who is the focus of your affection.** Why do you think women fall in love with rock stars and movie actors from afar? Because they feel they know them somehow through their music or performances. Psychological connection, baby! **Your only real task on any first encounter** **is to plant the seed of romantic possibility in her mind!** ---
**Author:** ![elprimo\_5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/13edae/32.png) [@elprimo\_5](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/elprimo_5)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 2:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087/7 "2008-01-06T02:58:25Z")
This book is good, I started reading it last night and so far it has gain my attention. I got it after reading a previous post from another member of the forums. ---
**Author:** ![jrafael](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jrafael/32/2213_2.png) [@jrafael](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jrafael)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 3:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087/8 "2008-01-06T03:02:18Z")
If I could sum up the gist of what is most important to understand from the last chapter, it would simply be this: **women are far more interested in how you make them feel than what you look like**. Of course, this assumes that you aren’t completely off the scale in terms of physical or hygienic grotesqueness. But if you’re a fairly decent looking guy who’s clued in on how to take care of himself and doesn’t flat out reek, then you should begin to see your shyness and reluctance to approach women as having a diminishing basis in reality. Here’s an important thing to understand: that, for women, it’s all about emotions and feelings, and especially how a particular man makes them feel about herself and about her life. In a seduction all your efforts will be focused on creating the intense feelings and emotional states within her that she craves from a man. It isn’t all that mysterious once you obtain a clear understanding of just what those needs are, and how to go about fulfilling them with your behaviors and attitudes. If you can get her to see you as the pathway to achieving all those desires, then you are home free as far as drawing her into your web of seduction. In fact she will gladly leap into your web! **You Must Disclose Your Sexual Interest in Her Promptly** No, this doesn’t mean that you’re free to fly off on some lame, clumsy gropefest in an effort to show her what a real “man” you are, but… going off the deep end in the opposite direction and not displaying any sort of sexual interest in her is just as deadly. One gets you a slap in the face (or a knee to the nuts) and the other gets you a free lifetime ticket straight to Buddyville. The solution? You must strive to create situations that will make her experience romantic feelings and think romantic thoughts about you right away, or you will disappear into the tar pit along with all the other boring guys who she never felt any chemistry with. ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 7:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087/9 "2008-01-12T19:19:15Z")
good stuff 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Holmes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/holmes/32/2128_2.png) [@Holmes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Holmes)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pickup-tips-for-the-no-game-challenge/8087/10 "2008-01-13T01:08:28Z")
> [@jrafael](#): > > **Don’t Let Her Imagined Situation Stop You…** F_ck whatever possible goofy-ass boyfriend might be hanging around in her life. Unless they’re recently married, girls are always shopping for the “Right One”… especially if she’s grown bored with ol’ Johnny boy. There’s no way that you can know what her current relationship status is ahead of time (hell, even her clueless f_ckin’ boyfriend might not know that!..) so you must act like it doesn’t exist. This is how the “pros” do it. It’s a mindset baby, an attitude. Oh, and learn a martial art. 😃