# Planning my next purchase. Goal: turning friendly flirting into sexual flirting. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 2, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107 "2015-04-02T19:54:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/1 "2015-04-02T19:54:04Z")
I made my purchase. Scroll down to the post saying that in its title. My birthday is later this month, and I want to make it as fun as possible. I’m turning to pheromones to make that possible. I’m aware that they work best on new women or women I see occasionally, rather than friends. Lately, I reached a point where it’s not uncommon for me to occasionally get what I call “friendly flirting”, usually from new women. Usually it consists of double-entendres, “that’s what she said!”, touches on the arm, intertwining of fingers, affectionate poses for pictures, and lack of resistance when I lean in close or touch her in non-sexual areas. However, I know it’s friendly and not sexual, because when I try to escalate things and/or ask the woman out, I hit a wall. My goal is to get past that proverbial asymptote (a math term for a value that you can approach but never reach), and turn friendly flirting into sexual flirting. The women I spend the most time with, and hope to change the type of flirting with, are acquaintances ages 25 to 40. They know me, but not enough to know my true non-pheromone self. I usually do not use pheromones around them. Which products would you recommend? I’ve had recent experiences with the following: Ammo Summer - great hits from women under 26, decent hits from older women, p\*ss poor hits from men Ammo World - good hits from all women, decent hits from men Instant Shine - great hits from everyone, with more warmth and smiles [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) - great hits from everyone, with livelier conversations P84 - good hits overall; people seemed to listen to me more P91 - good hits overall; people seemed to think more highly of me I’ve also had expriences with these products, but it was a long time ago: IH, CTTM2, Spaceland, Androstadienone, IJ (now pointless without the copulins), IG, Ammo regular, TUTH, and A314. All gave me good to incredible hits. I also found out that MX297 and MX353 will work very well in my situation, but I’ve never tried them. What products would you recommend for me to get? There’s a catch. I’ll be getting hit with a balloon payment on my car in May, so my budget limit is about $60 (give or take). ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/2 "2015-04-02T20:33:30Z")
> [@TheAttractor](#): > > My birthday is later this month, and I want to make it as fun as possible. I’m turning to pheromones to make that possible. I’m aware that they work best on new women or women I see occasionally, rather than friends. > > Lately, I reached a point where it’s not uncommon for me to occasionally get what I call “friendly flirting”, usually from new women. Usually it consists of double-entendres, “that’s what she said!”, touches on the arm, intertwining of fingers, affectionate poses for pictures, and lack of resistance when I lean in close or touch her in non-sexual areas. However, I know it’s friendly and not sexual, because when I try to escalate things and/or ask the woman out, I hit a wall. > > My goal is to get past that proverbial asymptote (a math term for a value that you can approach but never reach), and turn friendly flirting into sexual flirting. The women I spend the most time with, and hope to change the type of flirting with, are acquaintances ages 25 to 40. They know me, but not enough to know my true non-pheromone self. I usually do not use pheromones around them. > > Which products would you recommend? I’ve had recent experiences with the following: > Ammo Summer - great hits from women under 26, decent hits from older women, p\*ss poor hits from men > Ammo World - good hits from all women, decent hits from men > Instant Shine - great hits from everyone, with more warmth and smiles > Instant Openness - great hits from everyone, with livelier conversations > P84 - good hits overall; people seemed to listen to me more > P91 - good hits overall; people seemed to think more highly of me > > I’ve also had expriences with these products, but it was a long time ago: IH, CTTM2, Spaceland, Androstadienone, IJ (now pointless without the copulins), IG, Ammo regular, TUTH, and A314. All gave me good to incredible hits. I also found out that MX297 and MX353 will work very well in my situation, but I’ve never tried them. > > What products would you recommend for me to get? > > There’s a catch. I’ll be getting hit with a balloon payment on my car in May, so my budget limit is about $60 (give or take). I don’t know from personal experience (because I have yet to try it), but I’ve heard that P96 turns flirting into more “honest” flirting, meaning if a girl is flirting with you just because she enjoys flirting, that’s how it will stay, but if a girl is flirting with you because she is imagining herself wrapped around you, that will show. With younger women, I find that there is a sort of anxiety and nervousness that they show when they are around a guy they REALLY want. With older women, it’s more “cougar” like meaning more touching, her closing up the personal space between you two, and just being overt. I’m curious to hear what other people say about this topic, because I’m in a similar boat with my target (she subtly flirts, looking to turn it into more overt “I want you, and I can’t stand waiting for you. ASK ME OUT NOWWWW!” sort of flirts). ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 5:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/3 "2015-04-03T05:28:26Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > With younger women, I find that there is a sort of anxiety and nervousness that they show when they are around a guy they REALLY want. With older women, it’s more “cougar” like meaning more touching, her closing up the personal space between you two, and just being overt. I noticed the same thing. When I was in my early 20’s and women my age flirted with me, it was mostly with their facial expressions or with words. Which made much of the flirting go right over my head, since I was kind of clueless back then. If only I could travel back in time 😃. I remember going on a cruise when I was 29, where I experienced cougar-style flirting for the first time, from women 36+. It was quite a shocker: group hugging from multiple women, raunchy grinding, spanking me, rubbing their hair against me, and intertwining fingers when I held their hand while dancing. I felt like I was wearing MX353, with a side of P83, topped with Spaceland. Mind you, I did not wear any [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) whatsoever; it was during my hiatus from this site. All that said, I was able to escalate things only once on that cruise, but I quickly understood those women were just being playful, and appreciated their actions for what they were. A few college-age women flirted with me too, but it was limited to smiles and compliments for the most part, and the interactions with them were pretty short. It may have been just friendly behavior on their part, but it was still flattering. I guess getting older ain’t so bad 😃. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/4 "2015-04-03T06:44:54Z")
> [@TheAttractor](#): > > I noticed the same thing. When I was in my early 20’s and women my age flirted with me, it was mostly with their facial expressions or with words. Which made much of the flirting go right over my head, since I was kind of clueless back then. If only I could travel back in time 😃. > > I remember going on a cruise when I was 29, where I experienced cougar-style flirting for the first time, from women 36+. It was quite a shocker: group hugging from multiple women, raunchy grinding, spanking me, rubbing their hair against me, and intertwining fingers when I held their hand while dancing. I felt like I was wearing MX353, with a side of P83, topped with Spaceland. Mind you, I did not wear any pheromones whatsoever; it was during my hiatus from this site. All that said, I was able to escalate things only once on that cruise, but I quickly understood those women were just being playful, and appreciated their actions for what they were. > > A few college-age women flirted with me too, but it was limited to smiles and compliments for the most part, and the interactions with them were pretty short. It may have been just friendly behavior on their part, but it was still flattering. I guess getting older ain’t so bad 😃. What it comes down to is younger ladies are afraid of rejection. You reject them, their ego takes a hit, they don’t trust men, ice creaming eating with their friends, they just have a LOT to lose. Reject an older woman? She laughs in your face and you get a, “hahahaha fine, you stupid, stupid boy.” Then she moves on as if you never existed. With age and experience, the fear of rejection drastically lessens. Get laid 20 times, and you no longer take a “no” from a girl personally. It’s more of a favor so you know to move on to another one. It’s a numbers game, after all. Just my theory. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/5 "2015-04-03T15:51:57Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > What it comes down to is younger ladies are afraid of rejection. > … > Reject an older woman? She laughs in your face and you get a, “hahahaha fine, you stupid, stupid boy.” That’s part of it. Another thing is the simple case of a sexual market value. Let’s be honest. For many young men, the sexual market value on land—and in the cruising community, “on land” means anywhere and everywhere except your ship and its ports of call—is not very high. You’re one of many young men, and there’ll be plenty of them willing to outcompete you: by looks, wealth, their car, PUA skills, or Androtics pheromones that they bought and you didn’t 😃. And until age 30 or so, there are slightly more men than women in population. But a cruise usually has three times as many single women as single men, due to stereotypes about cruising and gender-specific interests. (Married or dating couples are not factored in.) On top of that, it’s a closed ecosystem, a captive environment. So on a cruise, a young man’s sexual market value soars! Given the 3:1 ratio in the men’s favor, women end up doing the approaching at least some of the time. I can only imagine what would have happened if I were not on the pheromone hiatus. But I digress. I’m still looking for input on what products to buy to have a fun birthday celebration. Doesn’t have to lead to sex that night, but enough to get the reactions from women that’ll make me smile at the birthday memories. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/6 "2015-04-03T17:59:26Z")
> [@TheAttractor](#): > > That’s part of it. Another thing is the simple case of a sexual market value. > > Let’s be honest. For many young men, the sexual market value on land—and in the cruising community, “on land” means anywhere and everywhere except your ship and its ports of call—is not very high. You’re one of many young men, and there’ll be plenty of them willing to outcompete you: by looks, wealth, their car, PUA skills, or Androtics pheromones that they bought and you didn’t 😃. And until age 30 or so, there are slightly more men than women in population. > > But a cruise usually has three times as many single women as single men, due to stereotypes about cruising and gender-specific interests. (Married or dating couples are not factored in.) On top of that, it’s a closed ecosystem, a captive environment. So on a cruise, a young man’s sexual market value soars! Given the 3:1 ratio in the men’s favor, women end up doing the approaching at least some of the time. I can only imagine what would have happened if I were not on the pheromone hiatus. > > But I digress. I’m still looking for input on what products to buy to have a fun birthday celebration. Doesn’t have to lead to sex that night, but enough to get the reactions from women that’ll make me smile at the birthday memories. Well, you’re probably going to be the center of attention if it’s your birthday. That shows value right there. I’d use some A314, some AMMO, and IShine for a less serious vibe. That’s just me. Make sure you spray the IShine around your neck and/or top of head because you’ll probably want to feel the “fun” vibe as well! ---
**Author:** ![Ekscentra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6bbea6/32.png) [@Ekscentra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/7 "2015-04-07T21:54:38Z")
A difficult budget to work with, but nothing too bad. I’d recommend: EvolveXS Spray (request BlissXS and OdysseyXS samples) 12.5mcg P103 5mcg P102 P131 at 5mcg is looking incredibly promising. You might try asking for a sample of that one. I’ve found Evolve to be ridiculously effective when it comes to women initiating sexual flirting, but far moreso with 2 pumps SXD-9 (out of your budget) and 15mcg P103. Disinhibition is a necessity here, I feel, and this is provided by the P103. I won’t go too in-depth there, as I’ve little time to post at the moment. As for P102, its reset effect could work wonders, as you mentioned you’ve known these people for some time. I wish I could give you a better answer, but there’s little I can do with such a low budget. Still, the combo above should trump anything else I can think of for your purposes. I’d avoid most of Androtics’ commercial mixes, as a well-chosen combination of single molecules will oftentimes provide better results. I will say that TAA is an excellent choice as well, though I’d tend to go for TAA on its own or BlissXS rather than [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/8 "2015-05-02T14:50:16Z")
Decided on the products I’ll get. Looking for additional input. Bumping with an update. I received a AmEx gift card from a family member for my birthday last week, so my budget went up a little bit. It’s now about $100. Anyway, I’m more-or-less settled on what to get. Here is what I have in mind so far. Absolutely, definitely I will buy these: MX297 MX353 Quite possibly I will buy these: IG IH Maybe I guess I will buy these: TUTH P131 P75 Debating if I will buy these at all: IShine P109 P83 And these are what I plan to use them for: Work: IG, IH, IShine Fun: MX297, MX353, P109, P131 Sex: P75, TUTH Don’t know: P83 So what do you think? Are these good [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) choices? Any overlaps I should know about? Which consumer products are P’s are similar to? Knowledgeable minds, please share. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/9 "2015-05-05T19:24:06Z")
I made my purchase! OK, after some deliberation, I made my purchase. This is what it contains. [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) - for fun P131 - for fun P80 - for varied uses MX353 - for sex IG - for work IH - for work Looking forward to using the products and getting hits. ---
**Author:** ![dkracing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dkracing](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dkracing)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/10 "2015-05-06T05:21:33Z")
A314 +tuth and a viagra…That’s bout it, shut down the business bro… ---
**Author:** ![zedklind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@zedklind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zedklind)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 6:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/11 "2015-06-16T06:42:36Z")
I loved reading the thread, how’d your birthday go? I’m waiting on my first order to come in and can’t help but live vicariously through other threads :-D. I hope things went well. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 5:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/planning-my-next-purchase-goal-turning-friendly-flirting-into-sexual-flirting/64107/12 "2015-06-17T05:51:44Z")
> [@zedklind](#): > > I loved reading the thread, how’d your birthday go? I’m waiting on my first order to come in and can’t help but live vicariously through other threads :-D. I hope things went well. I actually didn’t end up buying the pheromones for my birthday. I got them at a later time, but already had a chance to try them all. Here are my experiences so far. I also posted detailed reports on the most significant hits. Search for threads (not posts) under my name to read them. MX297 - just OK (Nothing bad, but frequent no-hitters. Minimal social enhancement.) P131 - great (I got lots of smiles and friendly touches.) P80 - got P122 in its place MX353 - great (It’s a physical boundary blurrer. Women danced very close with me.) IG - good (Worked as advertised.) IH - good (Worked as advertised.)