# Please help me, i need some genuine helpful advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 18, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/please-help-me-i-need-some-genuine-helpful-advice/11422 "2008-04-18T19:28:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![beansmike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beansmike](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/beansmike)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/please-help-me-i-need-some-genuine-helpful-advice/11422/1 "2008-04-18T19:28:50Z")
ok here goes, im new to all this. i recently bought some pherlure which i found extremely useless and didnt have the desired effect apart from a half decent smell. heres the situation. im 24 and single from the uk,im a genuine guy love going out to bars and clubs, however im a big guy and alot of people dont approch me. im very shy and always get the “i see you as a friend” comment. please help me break the mould, i would like to attract women, be seen more than a friend, get some action and meet someone half decent, im not desperate but it would be nice to meet someone. im planning on going to a few clubs soon, any advice on how to attract women and get them to approach me or atleast get the come on with pheremones? Idealy the effect im looking for is for women to notice me in a sexual way, approach me, talk to me please help me!!! ---
**Author:** ![Jasx69](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasx69/32/2413_2.png) [@Jasx69](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasx69)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 7:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/please-help-me-i-need-some-genuine-helpful-advice/11422/2 "2008-04-18T19:39:05Z")
Hello Beansmike Wellcome to Pherotalk 🙂 Pherlure has been reported as a scam by many people the scent is quite nice though which last for awhile then fades I myself have purchase Pherlure with disappointing results. You should go to The Introduction Thread and introduce yourself there soo others on the forum can better help you out, plus you can qualify to receive a Gift Certificate when you start a new Intro Thread. Welcome again Ciao “J” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/please-help-me-i-need-some-genuine-helpful-advice/11422/3 "2008-04-18T19:45:36Z")
Hi Beansmike, I’d say that being comfortable approaching is a good first step. You will not see the results you want to see socially until you start initiating. That goes for platonic, as well as romantic relationships. With that being said, I’d recommend [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/). Instant Shine is always a good one to start with. Any of the “talk” pheros would be good as well - Instant Openness/Honesty or Come Talk To Me (which is more or less a mix of Instant Openness and Honesty). Look them up and read more about them and decide what you think will fit you better. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 7:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/please-help-me-i-need-some-genuine-helpful-advice/11422/4 "2008-04-18T19:48:58Z")
Hello Beansmike and welcome to the party. I see Renny is here so lets see if we can triangulate some advice here. We get quite a few people with that same problem. Well, both problems - both the pherlure one and big/seemingly intimidating/shy/“just friends”. OK - usually the natural call is Ammo - well-rounded but with enough 'none in it to let the ladies know you are interested. In this case - big and somewhat intimidating, the extra 'none may work against you. Instead I would go in a slightly different direction: [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) - turn “big and intimidating” into “big cool”. Plus it has no 'none in it to add to any intimidation factor. IO - will help you open conversations. Instant Shine - will help people be happy to be around you. Smile a lot - makes you look as friendly as you really are. Remember that even with the pheromones you will need to approach and open conversations with the ladeis. They will not be jumping on you just because you are wearing this stuff. However, after about 15 minutes or so of wafting in the fumes, their subconscious minds will be giving them positive signals about you. You will be having to give off the positive conscious signals to back it up: smile, friendly, good conversation, good grooming, etc.. Hope this helps some. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 7:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/please-help-me-i-need-some-genuine-helpful-advice/11422/5 "2008-04-18T19:56:41Z")
Beansmike, welcomr to pherotalk! If you decide to buy from Androtics, be sure to post in the intro section for a gift cert worth 15 USD. Phero wise I see you asking two different questions and finessing the two together may not be easy. For a big guy who may be intimidating [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) is a good choice… it’s not so good if your main problem is being seen as “just a friend”. The social pheromones IH IO and Ishine are certainly must haves. Many guys overlook them but women are social animals and anything that helps a guy be seen as a social animal too is awesome. Last are the products that contain androstenone. They will project a more sexual vibe but they also can make you more intimidating. Ammo is a good product to start with. Here are some threads you should read… > [@What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558): > > A lot of people come in to the forum and read all the wonderful stories about peoples experiences with [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/). New people end up trying them out with high expectations and usually as they get to know the product those expectations are met to some extent and sometimes not because there expectations were to high But I think its best for people to have a realistic view on what exactly they can and can not do. I get a lot of PM’s from people asking me why "they couldn’t get there cheati… [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/read-me-first-helpful-topics-on-how-to-get-around/3106](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/read-me-first-helpful-topics-on-how-to-get-around/3106) > [@Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159): > > Ok. Feel free to correct any errors I may have made. This took forever to write, so I hope you like it. Chapter 1 Alpha Androstenone: In the forum this is commonly referred to as –none or none. It is a hormone produced in men and women’s sweat. (significantly less if women) “Androstenone is the first mammalian pheromone to be identified.” ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenone)) Androstenone has the ability to cause arousal in women during their ovulation. It also has the ability cause irr… The rest of the men’s sticky’s are really good too. ---
**Author:** ![beansmike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beansmike](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/beansmike)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/please-help-me-i-need-some-genuine-helpful-advice/11422/6 "2008-04-18T19:59:14Z")
hey guys thanks so far going to look into them